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Thank you for the precise answer, it's more frustration not knowing what it was than actual value, so at least I can say I have a copy, albeit smudged of the postmark

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Just curious on this one, as I know it's of no value being a part only strike of a South Australia Squared Circle cancel. Where is it from though ? it starts KOO----- any thoughts ? (image obviously darkened to ease indentification)

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My extrapolation is KOOLUNGA.

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A 2d orange:


This one had me stumped, as PPA didn't have a listing, but Google led me to Come By Chance, NSW.

Does anybody with the Tobin book (or other) have more information on the Post Office?

Out of all of the S.A. cancels on PPA, the only one that fits May 8th 1915 and has a straight edged letter after the second "o" without any adjoining ink at the top of it (as an R or N would have), is Koolunga, as muruk states. If it were still on piece you could say for certain.

It IS listed - PO 8/9/1890; closed 30/9/1987.

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So it is, I was searching for "Come By*", whereas it's listed as "Come-By-Chance".

I hadn't made my usual useless post this month, so I've just snuck in.

Thank you muruk and Chris, I know it's not a clear postmark but it's good to know which one it is.

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Well brothers of the scanner I have several new challenges for you. If any of you remember the movie Jeremiah Johnson, there is a scene where a grizzly bear is chasing the old trapper into a cabin where Jeremiah is waiting . The old trapper yells to the waiting Jeremiah, asking him "Can you skin Grizz?" Jeremiah answers "Yes" as the old trapper dives through an open window leaving the flabbergasted Jeremiah to cope alone with the bear. The old trapper yells back at Jeremiah "Skin that one Jeremiah and I'll get you another". Well, if you get these I have some Geo Vs that need deducing. Have fun!

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6d Blue is:

NSW Mullengudgery PO 15/12/1883; closed 31/12/1969.

The 2d Grey may be:

QLD Ravensbourne RO 1/11/1890; PO c.-/10/1906; closed 30/5/1980.

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My take on the postmarks is:
Mullengudgery NSW
Hurst Bridge Vic
Ravensthorpe WA and
Tarraville or Yarraville W.13 Vic
I cannot get the Queensland one, only Strathpine came to mind but it does not fit with the 'RAN'
It looks like 'Randal Mine'

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Queensland one is Barcaldine. I've been staring at many QLD KGVs lately and have my eye in for them.

:D You people got those last Roos very quickly, and as I promised/threatened here are four Geo Vs for you.

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These are a bit tougher, the closest I could get to this one was BELVIDERE, Sth Australia, though I'd be happier if there was a P.O. or R.O. after the name Belvidere to make it fit.

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This one is MAREEBA, Queensland, the other 2 I'm not sure on.

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1. No idea. Even after mucking around with the image, it looks like REBPADE* to me. Donald is closer with his Belvidere.
2. Colbinabbin, VIC. Could be East or West suffixed, but without another example I'd say there's only space without one.
3. Mareeba, QLD. Easy one.
4. Not a town cancel, looks like Stamp Week, but unless there was one in 1937 it's something else. Victorian cancels have Victoria written inwards though don't they? Perhaps it's something STAMP from Victoria. I'm sure Glen or somebody else will have a nice example if so.

hello manfaefife

These are a bit tougher, the closest I could get to this one was BELVIDERE, Sth Australia, though I'd be happier if there was a P.O. or R.O. after the name Belvidere to make it fit.

I think you'll find that it is REGd ADELAIDE - STH. AUSTRALIA on the 1 1/2d red KGV

regards

Yeah Fleurieu55, that makes a lot more sense, I knew there were more letters on that cancel, but never thought about a Regd cancel. I'll have to bear that in mind in future and look past the PPA site for postmarks.

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Can anyone help with this New South Wales postmark please?

B (?) LAR (???) S or G ONE

Gulargambone
Post office opened 1 May 1871
Closed 30 September 1871
Re-opened 1 February 1876

ALLAN

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GULARGAMBONE
It is on the PPA website.

Regards

Thank you Allan and Clemo. Brilliant work!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulargambo ... outh_Wales

Gulargambone is a village in the central west plains of New South Wales, Australia, on the banks of the Castlereagh River, in Coonamble Shire. It is 526 kilometres north west of Sydney. At the 2006 census, Gulargambone had a population of 395.

Its name is derived from the local Wiradjuri people's word for "Watering place of many birds" or 'Gillahgambone' for 'place of galahs'. Gulargambone was first occupied by Europeans in the mid nineteenth century and gazetted as a village in 1883. The town came to national attention in 2000 when it opened the first community owned post office in Australia, which has been followed by a number of other community led initiatives. These include the improvement of the local hospital, opening of a new cinema. This has led to Gulargambone becoming the model for self-sufficiency for other small towns in Australia. Gulargambone has won several awards since its revival and most importantly was awarded the 2005 NSW Tidy Towns State winner.

Help needed on this New South Wales postmark, please.

W A N C I (??)

WANGI WANGI looks like it might fit.

I can see WANCI-------I

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Thanks muruk.

This is about as big as I can get the image.

WANGI WANGI would fit in the space provided. Evenly balanced.

A few ink dots on the face might help decipher further.

I hope it's o.k. to ask this here. I'd just like to know about Melbourne circular postmarks with nos, such as this:-

I have retained single copies of nos. 1 to 30 ex. 28.
Were there nos. higher than 30?
There is a fair bit of variety in the style/font of the different nos. Do the same nos. appear with different styles?
Finally are any of them not as common as sin- maybe 28?

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Hi, this one is a mystery, it seems to be a genuine perf T when compared to the 40 odd that I have. It is clearly a 1921 date, and the position of the date slug is higher than used in NSW cancels. It requires a leap of faith but the State could be TAS, where the tip of the S is in the lower LH corner. The location / town would be either 3 or 4 disgits.

I pretty sure I have eliminated the HAY NSW cancel as the letters have a different spacing and the date slug is in a different position.

Any help on this one would really be appreciated.

Search 4D

It could be Ensay Victoria but more likely GRAY Tasmania:idea:

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According to PPA the only short name in Tassie is GRAY; and other short ones are WAY, S.A.; and HAY N.S.W.

Regards

I'm very inclined to go with GRAY Tasmania. The letters are too far apart for Ensay, and not far enough apart for Hay or Way.

Perchance Mickeyfinn or one of our other Tassie collectors might see this one and be able to shed some light.

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4d Violet KGV heads were allegedly never placed on sale in Tassie according to ACSC.

I'd be thinking fake on that one. The Sydney ebay forger has been active on Tassie lately.

That canceller is VERY heavily worn. Wherever Gray is, it will not have worn down the cds to that extent.

T perfins would ONLY have been used ex Tassie of course.

search4d, it would be helpful if we could have a blow-up of the 4d purple. The info about non-issue to Tasmania of this stamp is interesting.

For general information, GRAY (south of St. Marys), on the east coast of Tassie, was only a small post office which lasted about 40 years - 1927 to 1967 - and would probably have only had the one canceller, but I'm not inclined to agree with Glen that the canceller is worn all that much.

From my limited knowledge of the 'T' perfin, it was more common to find them wildly off-centre than perfectly centred like this one. And I don't know, therefore, which issue of the stamp we are looking at. It would still be nice for a Tassie collector to come in on this discussion.

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The rounded point on the right hand limb of the Y looks the same on both cancels to me.

I would go with HAY, NSW ... Perhaps someone with graphic skills could overlay the two cancels to verify if the rest of them match.

Date slug holders were sometimes loose in the frame, and can end up in slightly different positions.

That leads me to suspect 3 possibilities:

1. A Tasmanian official mailed a letter while visiting Hay.

2. Someone stole a T perfin stamp and used it in Hay,

3. The cancel is genuine and the perfin was added later (a forgery).

Glen's information above eliminates my first two possibilities.

Can't be too difficult to get a T perfin exactly right.

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I agree this one is ticky, so I have used my Autocad software to create an overlay and save it as a " block ", this way I can move or rotate it over any other image I wish to.

The result was that the HAY cancel is significantly different and beyond any doubt proves the cancel on the Violet is not HAY.



This I hope is a larger clearer image of the Violet so you can see what I can.

Search 4d

I believe you have the same cancellation. Unfortunately the size of the stamp images are not identical.

Using "StampCompare" I prepared the following image superimposing the two cancellations:



Can you post scans of only the stamps - we don't need to see the piece of paper the 4d yellow is on?

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Hi

I can show you how misleading the above set of images are but it will have to wait untill tonight so I can figure how to get my research detail into this space.

The cancel is not HAY.

Search 4d.

We should be given two identical-sized images. It's misleading to post slightly different sized images and then expect us to be able to make accurate visual comparisons.

Notwithstanding that "StampCompare" had no issues overlapping the two they sure look alike.

Sub-millimetre measurements can be made in Photoshop. To make optimal comparisons identical size scans are preferable although one just as easily scale up one of the scans to fit the other.

Can you post two scans of only the stamp areas? Then I can make my analysis.

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mobbor,

Nice to hear from you again...

Cannot help you with these Melbourne postmarks, but I live in hope that someone out there can assist with your query, as I have wondered the same thing for a few years now (Sydney cancellers as well). I have had a search of my stamps but, sad to say, I do not have a '28' to assist you with. Should one turn up someday will let you know..

Regards

The Melbourne cancellations are a study all of their own. In the early 1980s (?, unsure of the publication date) Davies and Linfield published "The Cancellations of Melbourne 1861-1912" through the R.P.S., and this work deals with the duplexes and their coding right through to the types as illustrated in mobbor's post.

There were three distinct styles; pre-Commonwealth includes type 1 (thick arcs) and type 2 (thin arcs), and the Commonwealth (type 3)

The work shows numbers up to 24 for the early Commonwealth period, but I have later examples to 29, including 28. According to Davies and Linfield, the scarcest of the early numbers is type 1b, with only 5 copies known, which has double arcs either side of the numeral. This appears to have only been used for a very short time in January 1900.

From memory, the Melbourne numbers go up to over 100. Somewhere in my mess I think I still have a cache of the damn things.

Here's a few of the different styles;

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Hi there everyone, the 9d stamp has got me stumped, help please. Cheers.

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Thanks for your comprehensive response. Mine are all on KGV so I wasn't expecting anything esoteric & they all post-date the publication.

I was mainly interested because of the differences in font. I note for example, the 2 9'& 2 12's you illustrate are also different.

Here's a completely different type of Melbourne cancel from, I think, 1928.

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mobbor

Mobbor, I think your latest one on the 1 1/2d red is part of a slogan machine cancel.
I have done a preliminary sort of my Sydney handstamps and McGooley's comments apply here too.
There are several type sets, presumably all supplied in the same time period.
So the types should correlate with dates. The large blocks of numbers will apply to the pre machine slogan era.
Later and modern city handstamps have a smaller range of numbers.

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Thanks AliceACT

I probably should have guessed that- makes good sense.

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mobbor

As AliceACT pointed out, your example is part of a machine cancel. We have a couple of members here who study them.

To my knowledge, there hasn't been any updates on the research into the Melbourne cancellations (witness the difficulties with the "Records" cancel), and I don't know if there's ever been any research into the other major P.O.s from other states, which is a shame because there's a lot to learn here.

Based on Davies & Linfield, I dare to suggest that the different styles on the KGV issues will follow the same pattern as the earlier issues, viz; "the latest date noted for any particular canceller is very close to the early date of its successor", i.e. the different font styles and their introduction dates have definite relevance to anyone studying the KGV issues - particularly when it comes to plate flaws, etc.

To the best of my understanding, each of the numbers represent a particular time period, in the same manner as the old 'time-coding' of the 19th century duplexes, and from what I have seen, this format continued until at least the mid-1970s.

What we really need is a solid data base from which to be able to tabulate information on the numbers in the KGV era. I know they're not really regarded as 'sexy' as, say, barred numerals or pre-decimal steel postmarks, but they do contain an enormous amount of information in their own right.

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Superb graphics.

Yes looked exactly like Hay to me, very thick and bold letters.

As I posted our Sydney faker is FAR more dangerous than many think. He is ACTIVELY faking Tas, WA, and State OS.

He is single handedly destroying the value of EVERY collection of every person on this board.

Unless the stamp hobby as a WHOLE each takes 15 minutes to bombard ebay via reports to bring these fakes to their attention, he will stay active and prosper.

Get his accounts banned and he starves, simple as that.

The path for you all to take is simple, and is here -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=17592&start=350

Glen

Serious question ... did you get them all in a single purchase, or from the same seller?

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OK, My Avatar, looks like Tooler, can someone tell me what it really is?

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Tooler

Just had a look on the premierpostal site. I would go with Toolern Vale.

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