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Australia 1937 KGVI 3d Blue Dies & "White Wattles" stamp scan





Can anybody help?

I recently purchased both these stamps as white wattles.

The stamp on the right is definately a white wattles but the one on the left I am dubious about.

Is there a version of the white wattles that this stamp could be?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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The 2 "white dots" are clearer on the right stamp but I think I can see them on the left as well, hard to tell from the scan with my eyes

Thanks for the reply random, yes it does have 2 dots. Does this mean it is definately a white wattles?

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I would say it is, but others with more knowledge can confirm.

As far as I know white wattles refers to the 2 white dote next to the margin on the left of the stamp.

Brusden White catalouge would have any variaties listed.

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Having some problems connecting to day as I posted the above just after my first reply hours ago which has gone missing and have just redone it

If I sold the LH stamp as a 'White Wattles' I would be arrested. And Tarred and Feathered.

And for good reason.

Let me guess - a "bargain" ebay purchase?

Folks .. think about it for just a moment ... WHY do you suppose it is termed "WHITE WATTLES"?!

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Nope, very well known and respected Sydney stamp dealer.

I will contact him and I am sure he will rectify.

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LH stamp definitely not WW.

As Glen said: "Folks .. think about it for just a moment ... WHY do you suppose it is termed "WHITE WATTLES"?!

If you have a whole bunch of these to sort through, the washed out wattles (caused by ink stripping) should be separated straight away. Next look at the right "Postage" - the "ta" should be fully joined at the base if WW. If only partially joined it's a Die 1. The clincher is the 2 small breaks in the inner left hand frame line.

Lakatoi 4

Help please with this 3d blue KGV1. I am not sure which die it is.
I purchased as a white wattles but I have my doubts.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
regards
Bill

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Definitely NOT a White Wattles.

Too much shading in the wattles and leaves.
Ditto the King's face, especially his right ear.
T and A not properly joined.
Outline of the chin pretty solid.
Frame breaks at left not pronounced enough.

Looks like an ordinary Die I to me.

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Should look like this:

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Thanks Pom for the response. I suspected that it wasn't a white wattle. I thought it may have been a variation of it.)Would I be right in say these 2 are Die 1a ?
regards
Bill

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The tapered T strongly suggests Die Ia, but I'd need to see the whole stamp to be 100%

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Thanks again Pom, I won't annoy you anymore after this one.
Hope the pics are large enough, best I can do with digital microscope. If you need to see more of the stamp I will have to use scanner.
regards
Bill

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A KGVI "white wattles" variety. This clearly shows the markedly joined T & A as well as the completely white wattles of this printing. This stamp is on a registered cover from Queensland where most of the "white wattles" variety were issued:

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Could someone please post a scan of the KGVI 3d "White Wattles" stamp?

The illustrations in my Gibbons and ACSC catalogs are not that great.

As usual, Scott does not mention the stamp.

Thank you.

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Flying Tiger hope this helps

Die I 'White Wattles', with its characteristic features of poorly defined wattle leaves in both corners, poor chin and ear definition, TA of POSTAGE joined and two tiny inner frame line breaks opposite upper chin and lower neck on the left hand side.

PERFECT!!

Many thanks to both of you.

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Regards, Jay

Die 1, a new ink formula was introduced which lessened the ink stripping, however the TA remained joined and the appearance still lacked definition.

Die 1A, each cliché was individually recut resulting in an inconsistently tapered T of POSTAGE on Die 1A stamps. The ink stripping was still an occasional problem.

Die II (Thick Paper), the Die received a major overhaul and was impressed onto new plates. This resulted in a satisfactory final image. Ink stripping still occurred occasionally.

Die II (Thin Paper), there was one printing on unsurfaced paper. The image has a darker appearance and the watermark is clearly visible when viewed from the back.

Die III, new perforating equipment was introduced which required a new master plate. A new Die was therefore engraved. Issues 1 to 5 are Perf 13.5 x 14 where as the 6th (Die III) was perforated at 14.75 x 14. The King's head is smaller and more of his right side epaulette is visible.

Can somebody confirm that both stamps are " White Wattles "



Faust

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Always looking for KGV varieties in MUH condition.

Yes and yes check the left frames where two of the shading line are a little shorter than the rest that helps

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Now I'm wondering if what I have is a white wattles sg168a. It was sold to me as that and some folks here on the board said it was, but I don't see the 2 dots you are talking about. Is it real?

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No dots mentioned
Across from the 5th and 7th perf counting up the frame line at the end of two shading lines is not the same as the rest

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Sorry Gutters, I don't quit understand what you are saying.

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Hope this helps look at these areas on the earlier scans.

Also In the opening post the right stamp has the short ends and the left stamp does not.

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SIRWILLIAMOFPENNYLOT, hi, just adding my two bobs worth.

Looking at the first post on this thread it does indeed appear to me on my large screen that both your stamps are white dots white wattles.
However the stamp on the left seems to be at an early stage of die degradation if that is the correct term to use.
The ´ta´ seems also to be at an early point of die degradation as do the dots, (the missing blue of the lines).
I really know very little about these stamps or how they were printed, but going from what I see I believe it may be the very same die but printed much earlier than the more obvious stamp on the right.

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This are the 3 copies which I have the mostright is this a white face?
The 2 most left are from my previous mail.



Faust

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Always looking for KGV varieties in MUH condition.

Just for reference in case anyone is interested, here is a page on the kgvi 3d white wattles.

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Thanks tooler, your post certainly sheds light on the topic.

hi everyone, i have a question what is it when a white wattle has no dots on side, is it still a white wattle?
Oh and curious if these are normal flaws hope i have some luck i think i might sell this one. Is it worth selling? thanks



no dots i think


middle of A looks sloping


decorations look very different to the other 3d's



and finally the border is thick and thin

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Micky,
Please use your shift key occasionally, as per the Board Rules. Capital letters are required where needed - at the start of sentences, "I" when referring to yourself, not "i".

Thanks
Chris

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Micky,
Your stamp is not a "White Wattles". It is a different Die altogether (Die II, and looks to be on unsurfaced paper), but may be slightly underinked, making the wattles a bit pale.

This is an area where a lot of confusion arises. The White Wattles stamp is not "Any stamp with white wattles", it is "A stamp from the early printings of a specific die (Die I), with a number of distinguishing features, including TA joined, broken shading on chin, two inner frame breaks at left and pale shading on wattles"
Cheers
Chris

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Yes I understand, thank you Pom for correcting my mistake and for the information on the 3D. I don't seem to have any luck on any stamp, keep on trying

Here to help!
Cheers
Chris

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Hi.
Obtained this FDC with a large bunch of covers from NZ seller.
Pity it has large rip on left side.
Clearly a die i . Is it a 'white wattle' or just the ordinary die i ?
Thanks.

Not White Wattles sadly.

Please READ over posts before hitting submit.

In neatly typed English, it is "Die 1" not "die i" etc.

One of our favourite *coff* Ebay sellers NICKROLFE1944 has this KGVI 3d Blue listed as a used 'White Wattles' and 'Whiteface' for $US35. Clearly missing the notches in the left frame and the 'TA' has a clear break, but is this the rare variety he says it is ? I don't think so.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUST-ACSC-07C-DIE-2-WHITE-FACE-AND-WATTLES-VAR-U-/380334942080?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588dbaa780

Darrin.

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I would like to share this amazing strip with stampboard members.

Here is a strip of 10 x 3d blue die 1 stamps that have been previously seperated and re-joined in two places.

As you can see from the matching "wonky" perfs these joins match perfectly.

The interesting thing about this strip is that the top 7 stamps show the white wattles flaw and the bottom 3 stamps are normal die 1.

This would indicate that both types existed in the one sheet rather than separate printings.


This is the complete strip of 10.



Top 3 stamps, all with prominent white wattles variety.



Middle 3 stamps with white wattles progessively getting less prominent.



Bottom 4 stamps showing 1st stamp as just classifiable as white wattles and bottom 3 stamps as normal die 1.


Has anyone here ever seen joined die 1 stamps showing both normal and white wattles variety together?

Here is a reasonably well centred Imprint block showing the white wattles variety.

Very slightly toned gum but not too severe.

Purchased on ebay for just over $100.

"White Wattles" was simply ink stripping, (less than perfect plate contact) on the highly surfaced chalky paper Die 1.

So it can occur within a sheet of Die 1s, I had always thought.

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I have some Die I's that have the inner frame dots as just perceptible so don't qualify as the "white wattles" unfortunately.

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I picked up this page as part of an unloved Australian lot at Stampex last week and was wondering if this was correctly written up and if so is there any inherent value in the page?



The actual stamps are shown below as enlargements, top one first...








Thanks in advance for any help.

Jon

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