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If You Need Any Translation For Arabic Stamps & Other Philatelic Materials...........Here Is The Place.......

I Would Be Happy To Help You............

That could prove very useful.

I collect prisoner of war mail, and occasionally have asked for that kind of help.



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Hi!
I will gladly be the first "user" of this service
I've got these revenues from Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and unknown (Tunisia?).

I want to know what they were intended for (general revenues, or some specific use). I think the second one from Lebanon was intended for use in medical prescriptions, for instance.
Also, I want to know the country of the last ones.

Thanks a lot in advance!

Regards
Ernesto

Hello Ernesto ,
the first four are from turkey , so they are written in turkish,all what i understand is the first three are from ottoman post and the third one is tax revenue.
The lebenon first is a treasury stamp and the scond is selebrating the doctors union in lebenon.
the 7th one is from Iraq and it is a treasury stamp used for the airport perposes.
the last two are from Algeria and they are tax stamps .
I hope this information is helpful for you ......
Nagwa

THANKS A LOT!!
I'm very embarrased because I didn't note that turkish and arab are different languages... My appologies.

Regards
Ernesto

Come on every one ......any translation you need.................

Great idea for a thread Naggom and thanks for assisting so enthusiastically and generously!

Glen

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Hi Every Body........Do you know how many countries speaks arabic ? and what are these countries ?.......this information will be helpful to you for knowing the languages written on your stamps.............

Am I right in thinking that the countries with arabic on their stamps would be from either the Middle East or Africa?

Here is my list:

Middle East: Bahrain, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen

Africa: Algeria, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia

Welcome Naggom and thanks for your offer to help.

I came across these last night and I have no idea where they are from.



Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Adam C

Your list looks pretty comprehensive to me...

Being pedantic, you could make two lists, one where stamps in the past contained only Arabic, and one where stamps nowadays (and maybe in the past) contain Arabic and English/French (a requirement of UPU membership being that the country name is written in one of those languages, or at least alphabet).

Consider Saudi Arabia, where modern issues carry only the country's initials, KSA -- Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. On the other hand, the early issues of Hejaz, designed by Lawrence of Arabia, carried solely Arabic inscriptions.

Morocco includes Arabic and French, and most collectors should be able to figure out what Royuame du Maroc means.

If you wanted to include every country in the second group, that is stamps that feature some Arabic, maybe you could extend the list across more of Saharan African, to include Mali and Central African Republic....or are they Muslim states with only French on their stamps?

And going a bit further afield, other places where you might see some Arabic on stamps are the Indian Ocean island states, including Maldives and Comoros.

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Hi Maptrekker,
your list is missing some countries and adding other countries , there is 22 arab countries spread from the atlantic ocean in the coast of africa to the arabian gulf ( some times its called the persian gulf ) these countries are : Mauritania , Morrcco , Algeria , Tunisia, Lybia, Egypt , Sudan, Somalia , Djibouti , Comoros islands (the last 3 are members in the arab leaugue but they have their own languages )but you will find some arabic in their stamps .
then we have Palastine ( not Israel as they speak heabrou ) , Syria , Lebanon , Jordan ,Iraq ,Kuwait , Saudi Arabia, Qatar , Bahrain , UAE , Oman and Yamen .
All of these countries are pure arab countries .
Thanks ............
Nagwa

Hello Adam C.
these 2 stamps are from Egypt in the era of uniting with syria from 1960 to 1964,and it was called United Arab Republic ( UAR ) , and they are for Government use only .
P.S. the second one is upside down .
Thank you for using my service..........
Nagwa

Hi Aethelwulf ,
Your comments is mostly right , but Mali and African Sahara are not arabic countries , but long time ago there were arab settlers in this area .and they are all muslim countries.
thats also apply with Zanzibar , Maldives , and Comoros Islands ( although comoros is a member in the arab leaugue but they dont speak arabic )
Thanks for sharing ,
Nagwa

So your question then, naggom, was who are the members of the Arab League.

When I mentioned Mali I was of course thinking of the Djenne mosque (image at bottom), a UNESCO World Heritage site.

I took a course at university titled "Geography of the Middle East"...the professor, a noted academic in Canada from Palestine, highlighted the fact that 'Not all countries in the Middle East are Arab or speak Arabic (ie Israel, Iran); on the other hand, not all Arabic-speaking countries are in the Middle East (ie. North Africa, for which English-speaking geographers have adopted the Arabic term, the Maghreb); furthermore, not all Muslim countries are in the Middle East (ie. Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Xinjiang province in China)...demographically in fact, the most populous Muslim nation is Indonesia, which is firmly in Asia.

Westerners often generalize, and think Middle East = Arab = Muslim.

Finally, adding to the list of "countries on which Arabic could be found", we could expand 'countries' to include Western Sahara (piece of mostly-uninhabited land south of Morocco and long caught-up in boundary/ownership dispute); the Trucial States--Ajman, Sharjah et al; Bahawalpur and other areas in India (tonymacg and others could give a comprehensive listing of those).

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Hello Aethehwulf ,
Trucial states are pure arab tribes , they are all arab from head to toe , Bahawalpur is a pakistani state , they speaks Urdo ( a language which is writtern with arabic alphabit ,but its not arabic language ) .
also the other indian states.
but you have to note that being a muslim requiers Knowing some arabic as the holy Quran is written in arabic , so you have to know how to read it in arabic and then know the meaning in their language.
Thanks ,
Nagwa

Hello Adam C.
Is the information that i gave you was usful to you ?
Pls let me know if you need any thing else....
Thank you......
Nagwa

Hello every one............Any translations?.............Any Questions?.............................
Willing to help.....................Thanks.........

Hi, well, this is not a request for a translation, but...

Do you know until when countries like Fujeira, Manama, Ajman, Sharjah, Umm Al Qwain and others really created new stamps?

Thanks,
Octavio

Hello Octaviop ,

The Trucial states issued stamps untill Dec. 2nd 1971 when the United Arab Emairats was officially formed . only Ras AlKhaimah continued to issue one more year untill it joined the Union . after that all these states became the UAE as we all know it now.

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Nagwa

But I think some companies still used these countries names in order to create new stamps until mid 1970's. Am I right?

Also I would like to know a bit more about these countrie's posts. Have you noticed that some Manama and Ajman stamps, for instance, are very similar?

Regards,

Octavio

An earlier version of the Leaders of the World series, IGPC, and all I'd say...

Manama is of course in Bahrain, totally different matter from the UAE sheikhdoms, but as this was in the days before/early days of the oil industry, their economies was rudimentary and economic development limited. So as with the Commonwealth countries that signed away their soul, or at least naming rights to their stamps, the Arab states cut deals with some entrepreneurs/shady stamp dealers, who paid visits to each of the respective governments, to have their names used on stamps. If you look at the LoTW sets, you have St. Vincent, Grenada et al in the Caribbean, as well as Tuvalu et al in the Pacific issuing what are basically the same stamps.

The whole situation is murky because 1) records are limited/lost; 2) the characters involved (the businessmen hired by the governments) don't want to share their stories; and probably the main reason 3) lack of interest on the part of collectors. There's so much 'Sand Dune wallpaper' out there that it turns off collcetors, just as many stop collecting USA/Australia/GB after 2000 or even GeoVI, the proliferation of issues just got silly.

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Hello again Octavio ,
i have to say that no more indiveduale stamps were issued since the United Arab Emarits was formed , if you find stamps after that they are bogus stamps .
and the reason that you find Manama and Ajman stamps are the same thats because this Manama ( not Bahrain Manama ) is a small town in Ajman state with an independant post office . To have some information about this area ( i lived there for 17 years so i know it quite well ) , in this area in the gulf there were small emarets inhabited with some arab tribes , they have all kind of relation ships between each other ( trading , Marriage,....ect. ) when the oil was found in this area it became the eyesite for all the world , so first oil companies , developing comanies and post companies. the post companies issued stamps commemrating world wide events and 80% of it are CTOs , the other 20% are real post stamps ( and they have a good market and catalogue values ), in1969 shikh Zaid bin Sultan became the governer of Abu Dhabi , and he was a good and wise man , so he persuaded all the other emarits to join the union. first he wanted Bahrain & Qatar to join but it did not happen ,so he had 7 emarits to join,and they are AbuDhabi , Dubai , Sharjah , Ajman , Umm AlQuaeen , Ras Alkhiamah and Fujairah. Thanks....Nagwa

Hello Crosscrescent ,
As i said before being a muslim requiers knowing some arabic to read the holy Quran , but if you find people that speaks arabic in a daily basises in this area so they must have arabic origon .
what im sure about is that big parts of southern Iran speaks arabic as they are origanally arab tribes .
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Nagwa

Hi again aethelwulf ,
This Manama that we are talking about is different than Bahrain Manama , this is a small town in Ajman state , that had an independant post office at that time,
( it is stated in the stamps Manama Part of Ajman state ).
Thanks again ,
Nagwa

Thanks for explaining that Nagwa, I didn't know that. I've seen some Manama stamps before, and always wondered how Bahrain got themselves wrapped up in the 'Sand Dune wallpaper' "mess". But if this is not the Bahraini Manama, then obviously the agents who produced this material just hopped around the present-day UAE region signing up all the local governments to the plan.

Maybe you could explain a bit about what was going on in the Aden region...one often sees a lot of material from there with different regional designations--Qathiri State, Hadramut, etc.

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Hello aethelwulf ,
Yamen as we know it now was long time ago inhabited with many tribes , they were fighting each other all the time , and every tribe puts its hand on a peace of land claim it and declare a state .
the most known states were Qathiri state, Hadramut state ,and Mutwakily kingdom ( which last for a long time ).
in the other hand the British Empire was occuping Aden area for its stratigic place on the entrance of the red sea ( this area was relativly settelled for a long time until the new yamen was formed in 1964 ) then there were another fight again between the northern part ( sanaa ) and the southern part ( Aden ) , the aden part was adapting the communisim theary , and later yamen was divided into two countries , north yamen & south yamen .
in 1990 the two parts united with each other forming the republic of yamen as we know it now .
Thanks again ,
Nagwa

Can you tell me what the translation of this Egyptian postmark is. Thank you.

Hi Maptrekker,
it says Egypt Parcels.....it was fixed on a parcel .
Thank you for using my service ,
Nagwa

Thank you Nagwa. I thought it was the town name.

Is there enough of this postmark to translate it? It looks similar to "Egypt Parcels."

This one says Egypt dispatch .......
Nagwa

Thank you very much Nagwa. Your translations have been very helpful. All this time I thought they were town names.

I think I will now be able to recognize مصر‎ on an Egyptian postmark when I see it.

Glad to help you....feel free at any time to ask me about any thing you need in arabic .
Nagwa

Hi Every body.........Long time without questions............any question?!!......any translation?!!.........Im always ready.........

Can you please translate what is printed on this postal card?

I think it is from what was to become Syria. Faysal is mentioned in French handwriting on the front of the card. The handwritten mention points to what may have been his personal symbol overprinted on the stamp image. The card looks like it was dated Alep (Aleppo) 28 Dec 1920.

Faysal ibn Husayn was declared King of Syria in 1920 after the Arab revolt against Ottoman rule. So this postal card would have been produced after 7 March 1920 but before the French declared the State of Aleppo.

Hello Maptrekker , nice to see you again ,
Im sorry the hole card is written in Turkish ......Turkey Before Attaturk ,were writing Turkish language in arabic letters , but arabs cannot understand it .
After Attaturk they change the alphabet in to latin .
Sorry i couldnt help on this one
Nagwa

Hello maptrekker,

The basic card (i.e. without the overprint) is a standard 20 para Turkish post card from 1917. The design is of the Maiden's Tower (or Leander's Tower) in the Bosphorus. The tower had been a lighthouse at one time.

The overprint looks very similar to SG Syria overprint type K1 which SG translates as "Arab Government".

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Thank you Nagwa. It makes sense that they would have used Ottoman postal cards and overprinted them.

Thank you Nigel. I will have to look that overprint up. Arab Government would make sense. It looks like the denomination may also have been surcharged.

Yes, maptrekker, it looks like the 4 milliemes surcharge that was used in a similar way on a Turkish 10 para stamp (SG K5).

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It does look like that overprint and the 4m surcharge. My catalogs say it says AL-HUKUMAT AL-ARABIYE -- Arab Government. Excellent.

The things I see. Added this for sale here today at $1 each.

This was in an Estate I bought today. Full sheet fresh MUH. NOTHING else from this area was in there.

Assumed it was a radical Cinderella or label, as a blindfolded, handcuffed USA citizen with a caption about 'USA Spy Dens', and a burning USA flag, was never going to be REAL stamp.

For some reason I looked it up in SG, and see it was an ISSUED STAMP!!!!!

I am astounded the UPU allows this kind of thing. From ANY country.

Presumably they could be legally used on mail to the USA ... I bet NONE ever got through no matter what the UPU laws are!

So -- what do the arabic words across the top say?

I can't read it but I'd guess it says Islamic Republic of Iran in Persian.

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I assumed the bit down the BASE said that?

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It does but only in a foreign language for foreigners and to keep the UPU happy - although as you suggest I bet the UPU wasn't at all happy to see a stamp design like this one.

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Hello Glen And Nigel ,
This stamps is from Iran , and the writing is in persian , not Arabic so all what i can get is the name ( Islamic republic of iran ) .
Iran used to issue stamps that doesnt have any deacency in it , they issued a stamp that glories the killer of presedent Sadaat , and a lot of stamps of that kind .
about persian its a complete different language than arabic , but its written in arabic alphabet , but we cannot understand it .
Sorry i couldnt help you with this ,
Nagwa

Hello Nagwa.

Can you please translate the postmarks on these Syrian stamps. Hopefully they are town names.

Hello Maptrekker ,nice to see you again ,
the first one showing part of it but i think it is Hemss , a town north of syria ,
the scond one is demascas the capital of syria .
Nagwa