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Thank you for your last post. It was clear and compact.

I have dipped into this thread regulary and most of it goes straight over my head because it ducks and dives all over the place.

Your post concentrated on one small part and was well illustrated and therefore understandable to an aspiring novice like myself.

I know people will say I should buy all the key reference works to understand everything but I like to pursue many different avenues and you cannot afford every study on every subject.

So well done staples, could we have some more please?

Cheers,

Honza

Hi everyone, this is the only engraved 1d I own, and curious to know if it has any flaws. Looks to be a bit of a white patch near the base of the crown, a missing line near Emu foot and not sure if the white patch between the P Postage & kangaroo foot is normal, all guessing sorry.



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Micky

Great work, Staples!

Hello all:
Here is another going into the "not-a" page. Although I could call it "RA joined"
It has a hair printed and pressed into the paper joining the R&A.
Part has lifted showing the impression, part still embedded with color.

Also, as a curiosity, the color seems to get deeper as it moves left to right(?).

SG94 Boronia, VIC.



Best to all,
pat

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Donald, Honza and Greg,

Thanks for the positive feedback.

Honza,

I still consider myself a novice but I'm glad I managed to inspire you. My post "borrowed heavily" from the key reference work for the 1½d but I appreciate many of us (myself included) can't afford every reference book.

If you find yourself becoming more interested in Australian KGV heads my advice would be to start with the Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue, which covers all major varieties for all values. Then, if you start getting serious and you find yourself with more and more of a particular value, you can look to add one or two of the more specialised references that cover both the major and minor varieties of that stamp.

In the meantime, you can post your questions here; I've always found people are more than willing to help.

I appreciate that this thread might appear confusing at times and seems to jump around. But I believe that this is due to it's very nature. People are generally posting images of KGV heads that they would like help plating and at the same time others are responding to these requests.

If you haven't found them already, Gutters and other members have done a great job creating Wiki's for each of the KGV stamps (viewforum.php?f=33). There are still many gaps, but these generally go through each of the positions listing the known flaws and show a picture of the stamp.

I definitely hope to find the time to write up more of my KGV heads in a similar fashion and will be happy to share the results when I do.

Cheers

Staples.

3rd state of Geo V ½d 2L7 found.

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Exerpt from BSAP's 1994 3rd edition of the KGV ½d checklist (2nd edition reset) part of p. 15



Dix & Rowntree, the original authors/researchers, didn't always comment on or document states of some flaws. This is one of them.

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From M. Hill's addendum to BSAP's 1994 3rd edition of the KGV ½d checklist, parts of p. 101 & 105:





Mike's publication of the Electro 2 flaws was intended to augment BSAP's listings. With regards to position 2L7 nothing was added.

Details of 2L7 early state (almost First state) - faint gash visible & slight thickening of shade lines to lower left of left wattle stem.

I have two NWPI panes of 30 containing similar examples as shown below.






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The item posted below was recently purchased on ebay.

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Details of 2L7:

Note: projection of base of left wattle stem and dichotomy of left side being light and right side darker. Also note the sides of the gash through the Kangaroo are of a similar nature as shown below the wattle stem.



The gash was actually an early form of a crack beginning at the base of the left wattle stem, progressing through the Kangaroo's back and either ending at the left value shield or running through to the lower outer frame line.

Obviously nobody has documented this crack beyond the apparent gash stage.

My question concerns a previous posting of mine regarding 3R9 & 15. The crack through the left side of 3R9 appears to reside directly above a large, more amorphous gash in 3R15 than seen on 2L7; never the less it probably is indicative of partial plate movement and not an EFO or tinshed flaw as one would think.


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3R9 & 15




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Any comments or postings of this plate flaw/cracked plate would be welcomed.

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If for no other reason than to hopefully add a photo to the engraved 1d wiki, here's an unknown MUH I picked up at an auction this week:



Even with the ACSC, looking for flaws on an engraved 1d does my head in. I guess it'd be easier if I had a few to compare with, but this is the only one. It doesn't have any of the obvious flaws (cracks, blobs, cuts in the frame etc).

Not sure whether it's a shame or not that the crown from the stamp below is visible, if nothing else it helps plate it above the bottom row.

After spending all night looking at this and the 15 or so KGVs (all different values) on the Hagner sheet I won, I'm now finding that the regular 1d red's are a piece of cake to identify.

Cheers thanks

Sitting here going over some un-identified KGV's in my stockbooks, and I can't understand why I haven't got a plate for this strange one, or if I have I didn't note it where I should have. Closest I can see in wiki is V/30 but that's only based on a small part of bottom right corner. Any ideas anyone please ?

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Donald:

How can you have any doubts?

Your example has the same irregular shape of the lower outer right frame line as does the one in the wiki.

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What gave me doubts was all the extra ink on my copy especially at the top, as opposed to the wiki copy, and my copy doesn't appear to have any marginal watermark lines.

This is my copy of V/30 I have in green.

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Ahoj staples!

Thank you for taking the time to give me personal advice about understanding the Australian KGV heads.
I have an Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue, but it is from 1966. I suppose the modern edition will be twice as thick at least.

I even got so far as mounting a couple of pages of varieties of the 1½d small multiple crown A that I discovered, but that was 40 years ago!

I liked in particular what were dismissed here as compartment lines. Having had it explained as being caused by extra ink squeezing out at the sides, I assumed they must be non-consistent and yet elsewhere I read of them being listed. Is each one a one-off or do they get repeated?

Here are a couple of other flaws that I hope may be of more interest.

White dot before THREE



and white line across wattle at top left.



Are they recognized flaws or nothing in particular?

Thanks again,

Honza

This one is Die II plate IVR/24 state 2

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Hi Honza,

Yes both are recognised flaws. The first one is aptly named "Dot before Three" and is the second state of this flaw from plate 4, right pane, position 24 (4R24).

[edit] Opps, Donald beat me to it

The second also has an obvious name - "Flaw in Left Wattle Spray" and it can be plated as 1R19.

I am definately not an expert when it comes to compartment lines. Some appear not to be constant and others are. Other's here on the board, such as Kainnikanada, seem to have a much better grasp of them than me.

Cheers

Staples

Sorry Staples for jumping in there, force of habit

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Ahoj Staples & manfaefife!

Thank you both for your quick responses.

Can I ask about two more?

This one has like two bulletholes in front of the kangaroo and on the emu's leg. I have always assumed that such flaws would not be constant.



and is the S of POSTAGE thinner on this one?



Are the scans large enough?

Thanks again,

Honza

Donald:

V30 might only have a vertical watermark if the latter was significantly displaced to the left.

Take a look at some the introductory text in the compartment wiki; especially where Wajer et al. describe their theory on the mechanism that possibly created the lines. They're not constant: their presence depended on when the plate was last cleaned and how the plate & paper were separated. A slight amount of pressure could have squeezed out some ink.

Most of the major 4-sided compartment lines occur on the periperal plate positions although I recall someone posting a Die 2, from the third column from the left, showing a long line on the right side of the stamp.

I might be wrong and shouldn't draw conclusions since I haven't carefully checked all of Wajer et al's research findings to date.

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Thank you Kainnikanada, I've put that down as a V/30 it's good to have it in both colours.

I have a pair of 1d Greens, I can do with some help on please. can they be plated from the right stamp, right frame line which seems to be rather crooked, and goes from thin to thick, particularly behind the emu.

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I picked this one up for the price of a carton of beer.

I only bought it because I recon it is the merged die 2
What do you guys think ?

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5/51
State 2 Right Frame: thinned between 7-9 mm below the top left corner.
Compartment dot is close also

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Hi, I have these two 2d with what looks like the same flaws or is it just surface scratch I do not know. They are both Crown over A wmk.






Any thoughts?
Thank you
Micky

Back again this one has 2 flaws that I can see, wmk crown over A.




Micky

Micky those red are quiet common on this thread some were shown not that long ago no plating available sorry.

Note:
Two abnormal crown tops
Joined AL on the 1st
Joined RALIA on the 2nd

Also just noted the short lines on the king neck am now checking
No nothing

Your brown is 8R33 only the right frame, the ink blob is I believe to be an ink blob

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Cheers GUTTERS, the old ink blob on the stamp trick always gets me , I like the joined RALIA that is indeed unique for me, thank you for helping and have a good nite.

Micky

I'm not sure why I started looking into these, I should keep away from the Wiki area I think.

Any assistance welcome as I'm beginning to become very interested and confused in this area








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For Tracy , snap. unknown


Is no-one willing to comment on the merged die2 posted above?
or am I in the dog house here also, .

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What have you done somewhere else Barry to be in trouble, your not in trouble here I just missed it looks like a merged, that crown top looks plateable at work at the moment.

Tracey the last one of yours is from electro 14 I think, will look at then all when I get home.

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barry_e yes it looks like a merge but cannot put that crown top to it

Tracey barry_e's snap is a close match to the your 2nd stamp and as was said with his it a no match any chance of watermark lines on either

There are a couple of crown tops like you 1st stamp but nothing else matches

Your 3rd stamp Tracey is 14R35 State 3 found between May-August 1923 so you postmark matches also
Top frame
Left frame
Dot below left value tablet
Broken shade line in front of kings mouth

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Thanks Gutters.

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Thanks Gutters.

Can anyone explain to me why stamp 2 is such a mess at the bottom, was not sure if it was a problem with the ink or the paper?

on barry_e example the problem doesn't show.

I'll check the water lines on it as well.

Tracy

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Another newbie question if I may ?

Can someone point out the 'island feature' on a 1d red for me.
As I understand it too is a roller flaw.
What I read is 'a small coloured mark in the white border above the left wattles.



is that red little dot it ? or is it the white dot ?

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I don't want to contravene copyright laws so I'll only post the first page of an article from the ACCCNSW Bulletin (June 2002) documenting the research on this plate feature.



The flaw is found on various 1d plates and reflects (in the eyes of the researchers) how the plates were manufactured and in what order since the flaw is not on all plates and also varies in length.

As far as I know no one has neither refuted nor acknowledged the observations. Does seem to be a quick method to eliminate plating stamps from particular plates or cliche positions within those panes where not all positions have the flaw.

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Wonderful Kainnikanada , thankyou.

Exactly what I was getting at. It seems I have missed an easy way to start dividing a collection.

I will now separate the island feature to try and build a better time line.

But first, I will look at ACCC and see if I can join to get the bulletin, they are referenced here alot.

Thankyou.

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Send me a test email - might be a quick way to obtain the info and circumvent having to join; albeit being a member will ultimately have its advantages too.

Note that the "island" flaw's appearance will vary somewhat due to the vagaries of: inking, watermark placement, cancellations ad inifinitum.

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No watermark line on mine Gutters, just the normal Single Wmk.

Regards
Tracy

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Hi simple question, I have seen many stamps the shade or close to the one on the right but never the shade of the one on the left. Its mint with full gum is it faded or was this a normal colour for this issue? Thanks.

Hi All,

Another newbie question as barry_e say's,

Single Wmk with very thin bottom frame & small white notch in shading under first "A" in Australia.




Small Multi Wmk Perf 13.5, I have two copies.
Is this a re-touch to right of crown in first 4 to 5 shade lines?





Thanks
Tracy

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Tracy, lol , they are not newbie Q's like mine. Thats some good looking stamps. I know = nothing.

The 2d red may be electro 16R? and the date matches too, position ~ 57,58,59,60. As you know, these stamps are extremely rare in red.
Mobbor, Gutters and Kainnikanada, even Glen ( admin ) may be all over your stamp very soon. if it is a 16R? = 3k, good luck

The green is also sexy considering you have 2.
They look like the roman nose re-touch, and im sure they will get a PP.

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Hi all, I have something interesting too, looks like a case of Chicken pox along the top, wmk crown over A. The spot on the neck was something on the plastic not a flaw




Micky

Am at work at the moment
The greens I think are 6/27 reason for them if I can remember is the repair to the stamp above 6/21 dot before 1 created it.

Plate 16 looks likely for the red has it got a bottom watermark there were 3 from the bottom with bottom frame problems

Again will check when I get home

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Another one I found and had for a long while and never noticed. Watermark crown over A. Something during printing or is it something else?




Oh found this too just now, and I was about to sell these, well I still might actually. A scratch from left wattles through to emu tail, wmk Crown over A, sadly a large crease aslo.



Cheers
Micky

This one is 18L13 state 2 Micky, as well as the scratch it has a flaw on the Roo's leg a small egg-shape flaw.

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This one is 22L45 state 2

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Thanks Donald, A Kangaroo egg I like the sound of it. Oh and I found the scratch flaw in the book with your help, thanks . I have more to come can't believe I missed so many, I wonder if I will find one for Wiki. Oh and thanks for the 22L45 state 2, still looking for it in the book. You guys are great

Thanks
Micky

1. Violet
2. Reddish violet
3. Deep Reddish Violet
4. Deep Reddish Violet (Aniline)

My thoughts a fade, even the black on the overprint is not as dark as the stamp beside it.

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The greens are 6/27

The red I can not match it with any of the descriptions in the book
the 3 that have missing bottom frames are only suppose to be in red brown.

The key word here is missing here the frame between the 2 projecting points are not there.

The acsc has a footnote on 16R58/59 they suggest that a small printing of plate 16 was made in red after the red brown was printed.

Conclusion
1. Yours has a frame the main writing is missing.
2. To get the missing frame maybe it had to weaken.
3. This would give you your stamp ( My thoughts )


Nothing with this notch

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Best image I managed of 2d Thin frame Wmk.

Regards
Tracy

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A big thank you Gutters your work has been very much appreciated.

Is it possible that a fair bit of work still remains in this area ?

If so and this stamp may relate in some way would it be a good idea for me to make a post in the Wiki area showing Stamp & Watermark as a reference to fall back on later?

Only a suggestion.

Regards
Tracy

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No need to I will do thank you Tracey

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Hi Honza,

Unfortunately, I can't help with either of you stamps. You're right, the majority of bullet hole flaws are not constant and were caused by a transient piece of material adhering to the plate.

Cheers

Staples