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Could somebody please give me some advice on an area I know nothing about, namely German Inflation stamps. I have come across a number of used examples in a collection of mine and having read some threads on these types of stamps, it seems that it expertising them is the way to go, assuming the gains outweigh the costs.

Could some stampboarder specialists give their opinions as to whether it would make financial sense to get the following expertised and if so, does anyone know of an expertiser here in Australia?

Many thanks for your thoughts.... much appreciated

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Hi wilbaer,

I've got around a couple of hundred Third Reich 'inflation era' stamps in my collection.

From MNH, CTO's, used, on cover and full and part sheets, more from the point of view as a part of collecting and recording examples from early days through to the final downfall of the inglorious third reich.

While I don't pretend or profess to be an expert in 3rd. reich issues, what you've posted here are pretty much 'bread and butter' examples.

Given the cost of expertising, I'm sure the perceived benefits would be far, far, outweighed by the outlay.

Unless it's for your own satisfaction but at what cost ?
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Thanks for the answer, gringo - I have been idly checking some results from germany on Ebay recently and saw this example went for 123 Euro...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160674549899?ss ... 1423.l2649

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That triggered my question to the stampboarders, but I wonder if there was something special about this one.....and whether some of my examples (and possibly yours) are equally 'special' !


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The 30pf is the key value of the 1921-1922 set and catalogs at .25¢ for MNH and $275.00 US for used. Many of the that era of the German Stamps are worth much more used. Most of yours are the common values of their respective sets, although I believe that the 10 & 15 PF might be worth a few bucks. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will come along and confirm this as I'm just a novice with this area.

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Maybe a good idea if you could get hold of a Michel Catalogue or the specialised German catalogue, the name of which escapes me now, but another Stampboarder will know.

That's the beauty of this board, so much to learn, so little time...

The item you've quoted most likely bears a valuable cancel or watermark. Only guessing!
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I don't see a problem with this stamp :? It is Mi# 181 VF used and certified! This stamp is 420 Euro in Michel, in Scott it is # 165, 275 $, so the price it reached is about right.


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10 and 15 pf values in second row could be good, if they are wmk. type 2 and if cancels are genuine but even if they are type 2 watermark expensive used stamps from this period must have certificate from BPP because false cancels are common on this.


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wilbaer - MOST OF YOURS LOOK LIKE BUDGIE CAGE LINERS. Germans are condition MAD - many these go right in the bin over there. :mrgreen:

The only thing to even vaguely consider expertising is something cat $100s used and pennies mint from these issues.

Expertising costs $50 or so EACH STAMP when Regd post each way is figured in.

You'd be insane to get anyone in Australia to do it as no-one here would have a clue.

And anyone buying it in Germany would laugh at an ozzzie "expert" on something of this era.

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Well I must mostly agree with Glen. Lot of them are in bad shape and even if they were better I can only see two of them potentially valuable. Certifying them, however, would be a waste of money because, even if proved all OK, price for certificates would probably outweigh potential retail value.

This two stamps I mentioned if right wmk and original pmk are in Michel priced 520 Euro VF used, and average retail price is around 30% CV or about 160 Euro, with this ugly pmk-s worth probably about half that and price for BPP certificate would be around 100 $ so you do the math :?

Certifying by Australian expert is something that would probably brought smile upon a German collectors face :mrgreen:


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So where does the consensus of opinion lie on the original question? :|


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gringo wrote:
So where does the consensus of opinion lie on the original question? :|


You ARE kidding right? :shock:

wilbaer wrote:

Could some stampboarder specialists give their opinions as to whether it would make financial sense to get the following expertised and if so, does anyone know of an expertiser here in Australia?



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In short, it wouldn't make a financial sense to get them expertize even less so by Australian "expert" :mrgreen:


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I've got around a couple of hundred Third Reich 'inflation era' stamps in my collection.

What are "Third Reich 'inflation era' stamps"? An oxymoron if
I ever heard one.

Just in case you never looked at a catalog, there was no inflation
of postage rates during the Third Reich period. The rates set on
Dec. 1. 1933 preserved most of the previous rates, but actually
reduced a few of them. These 1933 rates lasted until March 1,
1946, well after the demise of the Third Reich.

The "Inflation Era" is generally considered to be from Aug. 1,
1916 (some collectors pick a later start date) to Dec. 1, 1923.

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wilbaer wrote:
Thanks for the answer, gringo - I have been idly checking some results from germany on Ebay recently and saw this example went for 123 Euro...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160674549899?ss ... 1423.l2649

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That triggered my question to the stampboarders, but I wonder if there was something special about this one.....and whether some of my examples (and possibly yours) are equally 'special' !

It's kind of surprising to me that this one is expertized as
genuine, given the late use. By March 1, 1923, the lowest
postage rate was 20 Marks (printed matter). How anyone
could legitimately use a 30 Pfennig stamp is a mystery.

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The 30 pfg stamp is not on cover, so you can not assume that it was used alone on cover.


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The 50 (orange), 5 and 100 stamps in the first scan and the
pair of 10's in the last scan are not inflation stamps. They are
the gold-backed Rentenpfennig stamps issued Dec. 1, 1923.

To certify an inflation cancel requires, in most cases, that the
date and place of use be legible. Then the cancel has to be
compared against the known forgeries. The exception is when
a multiple is expertized. Then the stamp are marked with an
"im Block geprĂĽft" handstamp in case the stamps are later
separated.

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The 30 pfg stamp is not on cover, so you can not assume that it was used alone on cover.

Of course it could not be used alone!

I'm not an Infla specialist by any means, but considering how
many it would take to mail a letter, such late usage raises a
red flag for me. Furthermore, how likely is it that of all the
many stamps on the (presumed) cover, this one would receive
such a crisp, clear socked-on-the-nose cancel. I am very
suspicious.

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The only way I would be interested in these issues being genuine
would be if they were ON COVER.that way you can at least hope them to be OK.
What happened was after the inflation period ended,everybody had sheets and sheets of worthless mint stamps,in Drawers Boxes,under the bed etc,that no one needed,collectors did not want them as they had them already,BUT no one had USED ones,these were very hard to find,
So guess what, :?
everyone had mint ones,so how hard was it going to be to produce a few "Used" ones. :roll:

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Here is an earlier thread on the pro's and con's for expertising the 1923 inflation issues.

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Many thanks to everyone who answered !

Looks like a complete nightmare field to collect for any novice and guided by the general consensus, they shall remain unexpertised.

It's always a good learning experience throwing it out there to the Stampboard family !

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So where does the consensus of opinion lie on the original question? :|

I'd summarise it as "a waste of snap 'n' baccie" :lol: :lol: :lol:


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OK - I'll bite.....what is the 'snap ' n' baccie" rhyming slang for (well, it is early Saturday morning here !) ?


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Sorry, snap 'n' baccie is South Yorkshire dialect.

"Snap" is a general term for a workman's lunch (think sandwiches or something like that) and "Baccie" is tobacco.

So a waste of snap 'n' baccie is a wasted lunch and smoko - in other words, just a waste of time and money.

In other words, expertising these would just not be worth it :idea:


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snap 'n' baccie

Even Google could not help with that one. And here I thought that you could google anything.

Still I suppose in a day or so, there will be one Google reference for it. This thread. :lol:

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So where does the consensus of opinion lie on the original question? :|


You ARE kidding right? :shock:

wilbaer wrote:

Could some stampboarder specialists give their opinions as to whether it would make financial sense to get the following expertised and if so, does anyone know of an expertiser here in Australia?



Need you ask :?: :roll:


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I've got around a couple of hundred Third Reich 'inflation era' stamps in my collection.


What are "Third Reich 'inflation era' stamps"? An oxymoron if
I ever heard one.



You are spot on Jay re "Third Reich Inflation"

It should've read "Deutsches Reich" of course, my typing fingers moving faster than my brain :roll:

In a practical sense the Republic came to an end in 1933 following a legal move by Hitler, renamed as the Third Reich, until 1943 when it morphed into the Grossdeutsches Reich. :wink:


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snap 'n' baccie

Even Google could not help with that one. And here I thought that you could google anything.

Still I suppose in a day or so, there will be one Google reference for it. This thread. :lol:

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Spot on, Norm - it's there now :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Incredible evidence of how google indexes EVERY word typed here - and FAST!

http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ACAW_en___AU387&q=snap+%27n%27+baccie

snap 'n' baccie is now a new word. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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The posted link doesn't connect directly to 'gavin-h's' post because stampboards is live and an ever changing work in progress.

You've got to track back to the specific board index to find the reference, but that's not a problem if someone really wants to reference it.

"Baccy" is a long used term in many English speaking countries including Australia, however the "snap" is not common because it's specific to a particular geographic region.

Great to see a prolific stampboards contributor namely "gavin-h" gaining a first up Google ranking for not a new word, but a newly recognised phrase. :wink:

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Thanks for the answer, gringo - I have been idly checking some results from germany on Ebay recently and saw this example went for 123 Euro...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160674549899?ss ... 1423.l2649



That triggered my question to the stampboarders, but I wonder if there was something special about this one.....and whether some of my examples (and possibly yours) are equally 'special' !

It's kind of surprising to me that this one is expertized as
genuine, given the late use. By March 1, 1923, the lowest
postage rate was 20 Marks (printed matter). How anyone
could legitimately use a 30 Pfennig stamp is a mystery.


I've seen quite a few pieces of inflation era where the stamps are heavily overlapped... like where someone has used 20 * 1000 Marks to pay a 20,000 Mark rate. Because postage rates were rising faster than they could print new stamps, and then faster than they could overprint them.

So I can imagine that someone might have used up a bunch of LVs to make up a 20 mark rate. (As to how common this would have been in the early days of the inflation is another matter).

But for me this item raises another question - what about fake expertisations? I've just been posting about an eBay dealer from Germany called mm stamps, and lots of his stuff is fake, but also lots of it is expertised with the expertiser's name written on the back of the stamp. It strikes me that faking these expert marks would be a piece of cake...


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A google search for images on the subject turned up this handy link:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24345


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That's an excellent thread, Norm and 'steevh' - many thanks - most informative. Certainly throws up a cheaper option for me to investigate further if I feel like risking some money for some potential gain. The question (as Clint Eastwood / Dirty Harry memorably said) that I have to ask myself is :-

"Do ya feel lucky, punk ?" !!!!!!

Maybe I'll pull the couple that 'pitronix' mentioned (many thanks, by the way) and see where that leads me. Assuming that the thread mentioned above lets me potentially expertise relatively cheaply, are there any other ones in the scans that may be worthwhile, 'pitronix' ? Many thanks for your inputs. I only have an old gibbons, so do not know which the type 2 watermark is that you were referring to... do you possibly have a scan of the watermark? Also, my gibbons from 1990 reckons that the 10 and 15pf ones you mentioned were worth 10 GB pence used !!!!!! What happened there ???


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2010 German catalogue lists none of these as very expensive. On the first scan the dearest is 42.50, on the second scan, if the 5 mark is brown orange,35.00, plain orange it is 5.00, the third scan is is about 5.00, the fourth scan is about the same, maybe a few more, up to ten, the fifth if ordinary 5.00 max. but watermark could make them a LOT more, 400.00 max., the sixth only a few but the 2 millionen could be a few more IF the right colour. The last one, again single figures. These values are catalogue values in Euros.
NOW, this is of course where the million dollar question arises, does the high cat. value stamp have the right watermark, are the colours correct, are the perfs correct? I would not go to the bother of getting these stamps certified without checking this first myself to eliminate the common ones. then I might think about getting them certified.


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Thanks for the answer, gringo - I have been idly checking some results from germany on Ebay recently and saw this example went for 123 Euro...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160674549899?ss ... 1423.l2649

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That triggered my question to the stampboarders, but I wonder if there was something special about this one.....and whether some of my examples (and possibly yours) are equally 'special' !

It's kind of surprising to me that this one is expertized as
genuine, given the late use. By March 1, 1923, the lowest
postage rate was 20 Marks (printed matter). How anyone
could legitimately use a 30 Pfennig stamp is a mystery.


A quick look at Michel specialised reveals that this stamp is Deutsches Reich Michel no. 181 catalogued at 420 Euros used ( 2009 price). The stamp was issued in May 1922 and was valid for postal use until 30 September 1923.

The expertiser mentioned in the Ebay item is Hartmut Winkler who is listed in Michel as an accredited expertiser for Deutsches Reich 1916-1945 Michel numbers 98-337.

If you are going to discuss German stamps you should have Michel specialised.

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10 and 15 pf values in second row could be good, if they are wmk. type 2 and if cancels are genuine but even if they are type 2 watermark expensive used stamps from this period must have certificate from BPP because false cancels are common on this.


Here are the watermarks
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You should not have any trouble identifying the watermarks on this issue.

There is also a stamp hidden under the 25pf value - what is it.

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Here is an earlier thread on the pro's and con's for expertising the 1923 inflation issues.

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I feel that both this thread and the earlier one fail to provide neophytes with an appropriate impression of how unlikely it is that any of their handful of German inflation issues are valuable.

Roughly:

There are approximately 200 basic issues. A large majority of these have the minimum catalog value in mint condition, meaning that they are of essentially no monetary value.

By Scott catalog, starting at the "Republic National Assembly" issue of 1920, the only items in this section which break $10 for basic issue are:
210 1.5 M Germania issue with revenue watermark, $450 in old catalog, (I'm not sure whether or not this, or the non-overprinted Germainia issues just before this section, should be considered inflation issue).
242A 8 thousand overprint on 30pf with network watermark, $14.50 in old catalog. (Same appearance with its usual watermark is extremely common).
Only about 10 others catalog $1. or more. Lest this sound too encouraging, be aware that these catalog values are usually well above real world prices.

Never hinged premium, for the few with any meaningful catalog value, is typically in the ballpark of 3X.

A sizable portion of the inflation issues are worth more postally used than mint, in most cases this is still at best a few dollars. Most, maybe all, are very common in canceled to order used, which is worth about the same as mint (that is approximately nothing).

Several issues, but not very many, are worth spectacularly more when postally used, as much as 4 figures in dollars. Plentiful fake cancels and CTOs on these make expertization necessary.

Specialist collectors will recognize value in various minor or error varieties and significant cancels, and may be willing to share their knowledge carefully inspecting any scan you may wish to post. But rest assured that these issues are in general extraordinarily common. If you have come across a miscellaneous group of inflation issues, there is always a non-zero probability that one might prove valuable, but the likelihood of finding meaningful value is almost vanishingly small.


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THanks for pointing that out, Frank - it is another 25pf used.
I shall have a close look at the watermarks and take it from there... Is the watermark 2 generally the rarer one for most of these issues when there are two possible watermarks?

If I come across anything interesting with my used ones re' watermarks, I'll post the backs too and see how the watermark comes out...

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I feel that both this thread and the earlier one fail to provide neophytes with an appropriate impression of how unlikely it is that any of their handful of German inflation issues are valuable.


Sorry, but I disagree, because I cannot see that what you are suggesting was the primary purpose of either thread. Had somebody asked Are These Worth a Zillion Dollars Because They Are German Inflation Stamps?, your assesment would be correct.

I always, as most collectors should, assume that a stamp found in a Kiddies Kollection is the most common variety, and that classic German States, Italian States, Heligoland et all from old collections are reprints. It saves a lot of angst.

But as far as I can see this was not the intention of either thread. The earlier thread (started by me) was clearly started and specifically stated in my OP on that thread that it was not about "Wow! Used German Inflation Stamps! They must be worth heaps!!!"

It was started because I simply wanted to ask the question, "Why bother getting Certificates for these things, when the Certificates will cost more than the stamps will ever be worth"

And that thread gave me information which I was previously completely unaware of, which made it a worthwhile question. This thread has done the same for a new question along the same lines. Questions do not always relate to value, or lack of, and often lead in a serindipidous direction to simply teaching people new things.

I agree that discussion of varieties, potential watermark differences, and potential rarities found in kids dross is incredibly unlikely, but the general information made available in these two threads teaches people like me, who were totally ignorant of even watermark differences in these issues, something we would never have known, had we not asked the questions.

That, in itself is worthwhile.

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I just dug out the 10pf and 15pf which were seemingly the most interesting (i only had one watermark 2 used, the 25pf)... the 15pf was watermark 1, but the 10pf is curious... it seems to have no watermark (or am I just going blind - I don't have a UV, but have tried scanning it to get some help and the results are posted below). It seemed from the discussion that it can only have watermark 1 or 2.... can anyone help shed some light on this one?

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You need to scan the stamp in watermark fluid.

Here are 2 threads on scanning watermarks -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22430
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=10199

Cross your fingers and hope for the network watermark.

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Many thanks for the links, Jay.... my scanner is not the best, but I went round to a friend's last night and borrowed his signoscope...... but as predicted earlier in the thread, it turned out to be a watermark 1 - Another disappointing end to some detective-work !! It would be nice JUST ONCE to be on the receiving end of some good watermark news !!

Thanks again for everyone's comments - it has been an interesting learning curve for me.... just one more thing...

Is there an online version of the Michel catalogue that anyone knows about so that I can cross-check the values of all these infla stamps used just for my own curiosity and proper indentification? Hard to find a Michel over here in Australia... or if someone kindly has the time to scan the relevent couple of pages and post them, that would be a great help for me and anyone else who doesn't have access to a Michel and checks out this thread..... many thanks.


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I thought I'd try another alternative and see what price German ebayers are putting on their "Buy-It-Now" inflation stamps to get some vague idea there and came across these two

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This is Michel 159b apparently and going for 98 Euro

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This is Michel #178 and going for 92 Euro.

Is the first is WM1, why is it more expensive that the network WM2 of the 2nd scan ? Can anyone shed any light, or are they 2 different shades of WM2 and I cannot tell the difference properly between the two watermarks... the first scan WM is a lot less clear than the 2nd one)?


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Is the first is WM1, why is it more expensive that the network WM2 of the 2nd scan ?


The first one (Mi 159b) is an expensive shade variety (blackish olive) as opposed to the normal brownish olive 159a (which is what you have).

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Aaaah - thanks Michael. Just as well I don't collect these - it would do my head in !!!

Then again, the Australian State stamps, which are my collecting area, do throw up some difficult challenges too.....


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If you want to dig deeper, may I suggest this link:

http://www.philadb.com/?site=list&catid=1&catuid=484

Although in German, you might get an idea. Click on "Detailansicht" for further info about the stamps (shades, plate flaws etc.).

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That is OUTSTANDING, Michael..... thank you very much indeed. This seems like a brilliant website for anyone who doesn't specialise in Germany but has miscellaneous stamps lying around to check on... I wonder how many people know about this site....


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Just to clarify: It's not my site, but a private, non-commercial project from a German stamp forum. Always worth a look :mrgreen: .

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Norm,
I'm sorry if my comment sounds too critical, but, I think that asking whether they are worth expertising implies that the questioner assumes that they are likely to worth more than a few pennies. The selection shown doesn't appear to me better than what's likely to be found in a typical "Kiddies Kollection"... So just answering the question asked ("worth expertising?", no), and supplementing with an impressive amount of detail of the rarer varieties that would look like commons and be missed by most of us would leave this thread as excessively encouraging to neophytes who have no idea, and might find this thread through google.


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Figmente,

Just to let you know there were no expectations on my side when I first started this thread...it was a basic lack of knowledge in an area that I knew little about. Sure, a nice surprise would have been wonderful, but unless the people that contributed positively to this thread did what they did (ie. sharing their knowledge with others), I would still be in the dark.

Now, thanks to this thread and the contributions made to it, I know a lot more now than I did a few days ago. Surely that is the idea behind Stampboards.... and if the info that was provided about the watermarks and the faked cancels was not given, then no-one would be the wiser and a potentially rare stamp would just sit there unfound. What a waste that would be......until the stamp was passed down the ages and a "specialist" finally came across it, to the detriment of the people who had owned it before and were not enlightened to its possibilities. In such scenarios, only the specialist benefits, which strikes me as being a sad state of affairs for stamp-collecting as a whole. One becomes a specialist by learning from others for the most part....

We were all beginners (or should I say 'neophytes') at one stage in our stamp-collecting lives !


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Somewhere along the lines Gringo sort of said 'where is the meat?'

And yet the discussion went on about cancels, on cover, authenticated etc.

I have collected German stamps for 40 years and frankly speaking I have stuck to stamps, no covers or other hype stuf!

So forgetting about cancellation (for a change) scans 1 & 7 exhibit the Netz print in the Oval. There are two common printing errors, one in the Netz (9.30 o'clock) and one in the lower left hand corner by the buggle. That basically applies to all of them and it does make a fair buck to look for them!

Scans 2 & 3 Ziffern, yep the big rectangular ones with a big figure in the middle. Same again, quite some regular plate errors exist, both watermarks, happy hunting, it pays.

Finally the nasty one. Scans 4 & 6 the actual number of vertical stripes in the surcharge varies. The regular number is 21 (as far as I remember) and anything above or below is 'bingo', paydirt.

So forget about the cancels, the Pinneberg bulls eye is a CTO anyway but probably genuine, go back to basic stamp collecting with these and have fun.


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Reading this interesting thread reminded me I have a large, but tatty (cough! :)), on-piece of this inflation era. So many stamps were needed that they even continue on the back, abeit, only a tiny bit of the back remains.
BTW: What does the label (on one side) stuck over the stamps actually say?

Would this be worth anything?

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Back:
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Section of piece:
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Finally a query on these blocks below:
I'm a bit puzzled as to how the two 8 Phennig blocks have both 12 and 6 phennigs to it's left? Were these just printed in different combinations purely for collectors?

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