Seeking Answers to some difficult questions-- Please Help

birder · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 05:49:11 am

1. This piece has two stamps--one British and the other Egyptian. Would any knowledgable member kindly explain the reason for this peculiar usage. The time period and location of use would be helpful. Any comments on rarity and value would also be welcome.

birder · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 05:50:42 am

2. What country/ time period would this stamp be from? What do the maps represent?

birder · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 05:52:01 am

3. Some where in South America-- Honduras, Peru, ElSalvador, Chile...??? Year??

birder · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 05:54:13 am

4. Is this stamp really used in 1893? What is the depiction? Which country has issued it? Denomination Year...?

birder · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 05:54:56 am

Very similar to the previous question

maszki · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 06:24:59 am

Well, I'll have stab at answering and everyone can shoot me down

My first guess is that the use of egyptian and UK stamps date to pre-1956 prior to which time the UK held a sphere of influence over Egypt. I have a suspician that the postmark on the UK stamp reads LONDON but most of the imprint is indecipherable

The second stamp is dated 1949 and as it relates to China and the transition from Nationalist to communist control you should be able to identify the stamp from any good catalogue

I do not have a clue about the third stamp other than it is either spanish, portugese or one of their 'colonies'

The fourth stamp is Russian and can be easily identified from any catalogue. Could be Michel 29 or 41 ( crossed arrows)

The 5th scan is also of russian stamps but they are earlier issues than scan 4 as they do not have the crossed arrows above the posthorn. Any good catalogue will provide the relevant details. Probably Michel 25 and 26. Depending on watermark, the 7 and 8 kon values may have some value.

europhil · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 06:36:39 am

3. Mutilated postal stationery from Peru.

doug2222usa · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 06:38:13 am

Item 3 seems to be postal stationery from Bolivia.

Go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_country_coats_of_arms

and scroll down to Bolivia, whose coat of arms has six flag poles sticking up, 3 on each side. It is not precisely the same, but due to the practical limits of embossing such a small area, I think it's the one.

By the way, Peru has only 4 flag poles.

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edit: after intense study :mrgreen:

I must admit that the cornucopia device looks like the Peru, and maybe that's a llama lurking in the background. It's not my fault that Peru found two more flags to stick in the ground. :roll:

Were Peru and Bolivia ever affiliated (for 3 weeks or so)??

europhil · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 07:01:46 am

I can't comment on the coat of arms, but the item in
question is definitely from a Peruvian 1875-59 envelope
issue.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:44:56 am

The two maps on the Chinese stamp (No. 2) are of Shanghai (left) and Nanking/Nanjing (right).

Philanthropist · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:03:55 am

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I will offer a suggestion.
Egyptian stamp cancelled in Egypt for UK delivery.
UK stamp added in London to pay for the item to be forwarded on to wherever the addessee had moved to.

doug2222usa · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2012 13:54:08 pm

OK, I yield to Jay; Peru it is. :lol:

birder · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 00:31:06 am

Thanks every body.

Items 2,3,4 &5 have now been explained quite satisfactorily.

Item 1 still remains a mystery. The KGV stamp indicates a pre-1937 period. The Egyptian pyramid stamp indicates a 1916-1925 period (I might be wrong on this). But why both together ???

nigelc · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 00:37:54 am

birder wrote:

Thanks every body.

Items 2,3,4 &5 have now been explained quite satisfactorily.

Item 1 still remains a mystery. The KGV stamp indicates a pre-1937 period. The Egyptian pyramid stamp indicates a 1916-1925 period (I might be wrong on this). But why both together ???

It's a King Edward VII stamp rather than a King George V one.

birder · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 00:56:06 am

Thanks Nigelc. You are absolutely correct.

But all the doubts with respect to item 1 remain...

nigelc · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 02:29:12 am

birder wrote:

Thanks Nigelc. You are absolutely correct.

But all the doubts with respect to item 1 remain...

I think Philanthropist's suggestion above is very reasonable.

maszki · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 03:30:09 am

nigelc wrote:

birder wrote:

Thanks Nigelc. You are absolutely correct.

But all the doubts with respect to item 1 remain...

I think Philanthropist's suggestion above is very reasonable.

In support of which the UK stamp appears to have been placed over the writing ( address)

HalfpennyYellow · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 03:43:01 am

birder wrote:

1. This piece has two stamps--one British and the other Egyptian. Would any knowledgable member kindly explain the reason for this peculiar usage. The time period and location of use would be helpful. Any comments on rarity and value would also be welcome.

The Egyptian stamp could be:
SG 59 - ordinary paper - issued 1 January 1888
SG 68 - chalk-surfaced paper - issued 1902

Postmark on Egyptian stamp 25 February 1907, so probably the stamp is #68 - they were the current defins at that time.

The British stamp is somewhere between SG 221 and 224, which are all different shades of the same stamp issued between 1902 and 1905.

Postmark is possibly 5 March 1907.

I agree with Philanthropist's idea about usage as well.

birder · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 03:50:22 am

..Yes... but the Egyptian cancel appears to have been applied AFTER the London cancel..

HalfpennyYellow · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 04:04:17 am

I don't know, but this is what I make out of the dates:

I'm not sure about the day of the London cancellation.

Sark · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 04:47:30 am

Hi Birder

Item 1 is indeed posted from Egypt to the UK. I think the envelope maybe from Shepherds Hotel in Cairo. The style of the printing looks familiar.

At some time shortly after its arrival in London the envelope was re-posted to an address outside of GB or the Empire. We know this because the red Egyptian stamp paid the postage of a letter to the UK. If redirected within the UK or to another part of the Empire no additional postage would have been required as the 1d Empire Penny Postage rate (introduced 25 Dec 1898) would have applied.

The basic rate of postage for letters to non-Empire countries was 2½d. Credit of 1d allowed for the Egyptian postage already paid hence the requirement for only a further 1½d postage.


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