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Can you identify the flag? If yes, let us know – there is a Prize for the correct answer. To claim the Prize - your answer should reach us first.

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The set of three Dominican stamps bordered by Flags of member-nations of the ILO. There are a total of sixty (60) Flags. Possible clues are given. You have only to say whether the clues are right or wrong! If they are wrong whats the right order.

The International Labour Organization (ILO) emerged with the League of Nations from the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. It was founded to give expression to the growing concern for social reform after World War I, and the conviction that any reform had to be conducted at an international level. In 1946, the ILO became the first specialized agency associated with the newly formed United Nations Organization. On its 50th anniversary in 1969, ILO was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Hi Kennethsequeira, all those flags you have written next to, have the correct color flags but I was pretty sure that Iran, India and South Africa had additional symbols in the middle section.

Was this the question you were asking or did you want ALL countries identified? Your question was a little confusing to me!...but then, that's just me :lol: I'm easily confused!

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Hi Hutch,

You have only to say whether the clues are right or wrong! If they are wrong whats the right order. :mrgreen:

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The flag of India should have the "Ashoka Chakra" in the centre (on the white stripe),
the flag of Iran should have the red (consists of four crescents and a sword) emblem in the centre (on the white stripe),
The flag of France is fine according to me.....

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Alright, I'm still confused?! What order are we talking about? I would say based on what I've found, that your "hints" are correct/right?

I think you may have to rephrase the question! But it has been fun looking up all the flags!

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The Flags marked with arrow have a clue (name of the country). You have only to say whether the countries marked are right or wrong! If they are wrong whats the right country.

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I'm with Hutch - they all look OK to me.

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Apart from South Africa - but it's right for 1969.

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You're not talking about the order of entry into the ILO are you?

I've managed to identify all but 6 of the flags, I think!, but flags of some countries have changed over the years so your question still is confusing!

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OK, your last comment made a bit more sense. I'll again go with the same answer. They are correct!

In regards to the flags missing the central symbols, they are more than likely to be earlier flags, with any symbols etc added on later!

By the way, you've now got me determined to identify the remaining flags on my list!! I'll be on a mission tomorrow for sure!

Thanks for the fun Kennethsequeira

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In regards to the flags missing the central symbols, they are more than likely to be earlier flags, with any symbols etc added on later!

The symbol in the centre of the Iranian flag might have been added after the overthrow of the Shah in the 1979 revolution? Didn't they have a totally different flag in 'the old days' with a lion?

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Iran seems to have many different flags over the centuries.

Wikipedia sayeth - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Iran

"The first version of the modern Iranian tricolour was adopted in the wake of the Iranian Constitutional Revolution of 1906."

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"The current flag of Iran (Persian: پرچم ایران‎, Parçam-e Irân) was adopted on 29 July 1980, and is a reflection of the changes brought about by the Iranian Revolution. Its field is a tricolour comprising equal horizontal bands of green, white, and red. The red emblem in the centre of the flag, designed by Hamid Nadimi, is a highly stylized composite of various Islamic elements: a geometrically symmetric form of the word Allah ("God") and overlapping parts of the phrase lā ʾilāha ʾillà l-Lāh, ("There is no god but God"), forming a monogram in the form of a tulip. Written in white on the inner edges of the green and red bands is the repeated phrase Allahu Akbar ("God is great") in a stylized version of the Kufic script used for the Qur'an. This writing renders the flag non-reversible."

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So is there a confusion on Iran & India :?: :D

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Nope

Iran:

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Norway:

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The flags as shown on the Dominica stamps are viewed from the left, I think - is this what's causing the confusion?

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I agree Dave. Top and Bottom rows are viewed as is. Left and Right rows are viewed as the base of the flag to the left.

I still say all your "hints" Kennethsequeira are correct....but I've been known to be wrong before :lol: and will stand ready to be corrected!

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Point taken ... Hutch & Dave...... but any specific reason why certain symbols were missing from Iran & India Flag only. Is it printing error?

Iran flag has had changes (as pointed by Dave) but the Indian flag has not changed since Independence, also other country flags seem perfect (correct me if I am wrong)

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Now, I noticed that several other flags had either no symbols on them or had a different symbol all together so it was not confined to just those two!

Bolivia is one that comes to mind. I don't think it would have been a printing error? maybe just a bad oversight?

If that was the case though, it's a wonder they weren't recalled and redone.

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Now, I noticed that several other flags had either no symbols on them or had a different symbol all together so it was not confined to just those two!

Speaking of 'identical' flags, Romania and Andorra have the same tricolour...Andorra adds their coat-of-arms to distinguish themselves. 8)

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The Iranian flag in 1969 had a barely seeable yellow lion motif in the centre. In 1975 it had no central motif. It has changed many times over the years. Technically it may be wrong.

The old South African flag looks correct for 1970. It also has changed a few times.

The Indian flag is wrong - the motif in the centre should be there, it was never missing.

Italy, France and Hungary are correct.

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There you go! Thanks Allanswood and aethelwulf for that.

Therefore, maybe the flags were correct at the time of issue....things just change over the years!

Oh, and by the way :evil: I'm down to 4 countries I can not identify :evil:

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Did you know that the flag of the USA at one (short) time had the Union Jack in the corner where all the stars are now?

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I vaguely remember that Allanswood!

Just looked it up.

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The Grand Union flag was an early US flag that was officially adopted by the Continental Congress in 1775. This flag was first flown in December, 1775, by the Colonial fleet of ships in the Delaware River. On land, it was first flown on January 1, 1776, at George Washington's headquarters near Boston, Massachusetts, when General Washington took command of the reorganized Continental Army.

This red, white, and blue flag featured 13 red and white stripes (representing the 13 colonies) and pictured a small British Union Jack flag in the canton position (a small square on the top, by the flag pole). This flag represented the Continental Congress for two years, after which it was replaced by Old Glory (the predecessor of our modern flag, featuring 13 stripes and 13 stars).

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I have a funny feeling this is about South Africa where the flag changed into something else in 1994?

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There you go Happy Stamper, another one to add on to the list of no central symbols!

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No, the SA flag of that time is correct on that stamp.

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Oh, and by the way :evil: I'm down to 4 countries I can not identify :evil:

Which 4 can't you get? Almost all of them I seem to remember seeing somewhere, sometime, but its 'putting the name to the face' that's the trouble.

Maybe we should make a list of all the flags that are listed there, it seems the quiz has pretty much run its course?

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OK, if you're game enough...Stamp 1...Germany, Central African Republic, ???, Dominican Republic, Nigeria, Bulgaria, Colombia, Jordan, Japan, Bolivia, Chile, Finland, France, Sierra Leonne, Congo, Denmark, Rwanda, Phillipinesw, Somalia and Congo.

So, how did I go for Stamp "1" ?

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You have missed Pakistan next to Denmark.

Tomorrow I will declare the winner & start a new quiz (hopefully not confusing)

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stamp 2...Missing 3 from this lot and one not definite!. All stamps are read from the first Horizontal stamp!

Kenya, Sth Korea, xxxxx, Kuwait, Sierre Leone, Burma or Taiwan, Costa Rica, Tunisia, xxxxx, Senegal, South Africa, Tanzania, Syria, Guyana, Ghana, Belgium, xxxxx, India, Norway, Iran.

Kennethsequeira, I can not believe that I really messed up that one stamp...must have been getting too late at night for me! It has been fun :D

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Stamp 3: Mali or Senegal, Trinidad and Tobago, Benin, USA, Italy, Madagascar, Turkey, Netherlands, Liechtenstein, Jamaica, Hungary, Panama, Austria, Czech Republic, Sweden, Canada, Iceland, Switzerland, Argentina, and finally, United Kingdom.

Hope someone can fill in the gaps on Stamp 1 and 2..and really hope I got all of stamp 3 right...although there is a question regarding Mali or Senegal!

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I still have the funny feeling that there is something wrong with South Africa.
They may have been co-founders, but were they really members in 1969 with Apartheid and all?
So maybe that flag should not have been there at all at the time? :D


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Hutch - the one next to Tunisia - could be Egypt (symbol missing) or Yemen but again its inverted. Both countries are tri coloured - but red - white - black


Are you still sure that image 2 next to Norway - Its India & not Niger ? :twisted:

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Oh I do wish there weren't so many of those flags the same (without their symbols!).

I'll have to stick to my first lot of choices I think Kennethsequeira. It's just too hard! Fun...but hard.

Has anyone been able to identify the 3rd flag on stamp 1? It looks like the Canadian flag but with no symbol...and it can't be Canada as their flag is on stamp 3.

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And the winner of the 1st correct answer is................ Hutch

Answer :- The clues are right

The Grand Prize is still open ........ Still need more evidence for Iran & India flag

This is what I am looking for as supporting evidence
(example:- Tri coloured flag of Orange - White - Green could be India or Niger - Missing is the symbol / motif. But was India or Niger part of ILO in 1969 ? That answer could nail it. What if both were members then? Same with Iran... is any other country flag resembling the tricolour)

Dave R :- You did give good insights.... Hence another prize for your effort.

Good attempts by all.... Will start quiz # 2 soon.

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Has anyone been able to identify the 3rd flag on stamp 1? It looks like the Canadian flag but with no symbol...and it can't be Canada as their flag is on stamp 3.

It looks familiar, I'm sure I've seen it somewhere...but can't recall where.

Austria's is similar, but horizontal lines.

I even found this great resource, the world flag database, http://www.flags.net/search.php, and it couldn't help. :(

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Did a quick look on the internet. According to different sites, India has been an ILO member since 1919. Niger has been an ILO member since 1961. Iran has also been a member since 1919.

The only two other flags similar to Iran are Equitorial Guinea who did not become a member until 1981 and Kuwait who became a member in 1961. But to be technical, they can't really be classed as tri-color can they?

Now where does that leave us all?

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I doubt India would be a member since 1919 as it got independence in 1947 & would have joined it after that.

India is the right answer as per most philatelists.

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Obviously they didn't have to have independance before joining!

"India, a Founding Member of the ILO, has been a permanent member of the ILO Governing Body since 1922. The first ILO Office in India started in 1928".

Maybe they joined in 1919 but didn't become a permanent member until 1922.

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Merry Xmas !!!

hutch - request you to upload the cover & prize on this thread

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 16:02:15 pm 
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Hi Kennethsequira, I'm trying! I'm having lots of problems with my computer at the moment and I don't even want to go into the problems I'm having with this new Photobucket! :evil:

Any idea how to get the pictures here? I can get the code for it but that's all it will paste up...no picture.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 18:17:03 pm 
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I have finally resolved my problems with Photobucket by going back to the original style...not the new one! Now all I have to do is get rid of all the pop-ups :twisted:

So now, I can finally post the pictures of the beautiful prize I got from kennethsequeira for his first competition! First, here are the stamps on the cover:

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And second, the lovely FDC inside.

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Thank you very much Kenneth and sorry for the long delay.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 18:21:16 pm 
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Hutch, if you have been automatically updated to the "new" (Beta) Photobucket, your scan is probably too large to load here. You need to go to use the revert option and go back to the earlier version, and reload to automatically limit the size to 800 x 600.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 18:26:43 pm 
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Hi Fromdownunder, that's exactly what happened. I have just gone back to the original after spending a few weeks trying to work out the new system...my problem now are all the pop-ups that came with the new system that are now firmly settled in the registry :twisted: :twisted:

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