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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 05:43:37 am 
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Ok, granpa's pass on's... Jackson stamps first, Jefferson to follow and one more Jackson for color comparison.
I could use some help with which color? same? Of course, hoping for special. I do not believe there are any grills on them. I have a pic of the backs if needed and I can do a single photo of any if needed.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 08:52:39 am 
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Here are the backs to the stamps in same order.

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Here are bigger and clearer individual pics of the Jacksons. Side by side is good too for comparison but these are enlarged.

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Looks like they could all use a good bath. Might help bring back the paper colour and clean off the old hinges and dirt.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 14:23:24 pm 
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This may sound stupid but are you serious about giving them a bath to clean them up? Is there such a way to restore them? I only know/heard about soaking them to remove them from envelopes, etc..

I thought they were like antique furniture and you wouldn't want to refinish them because it reduces value?
Thanks for any info about restoring these stamps if possible.


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Another question if I may, I read somewhere that the special issues were not issued into circulation?
Does this mean that none have ever been found to have been used?


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The second stamp is Continental and the last stamp is American. You can use these 2 as examples of paper type to separate the rest.


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Thank you!


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Russ,

Could any of these be a rarer color variation of the vermillions? The two you mentioned, the 2nd and last stamp look very different from the other two. Of course fading can happen but these look for red than what I have seen online. I know it would be very rare to have a special printing and even more so if it were used, but nevertheless I would like to know.

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If these were mine I'd have no hesitation to give them a soak in slightly warm water to remove the paper and hinges off the back. Gently scrape off any surplus gum off the back, Then press dry between clean blotting paper (or Kitchen paper towel). It will clean them and smooth out wrinkles. thereby improving the appearance.

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First, I agree with vikingeck, give them a good soaking.

Although these stamps were printed by 2 different printers the inks were essentially the same. American Bank Note Co. took over the Continental Bank Note Co in 1879. Even the soft porous paper used by American was actually introduced by Continental in mid or late 1878. Basically just a change in name.

The colors will vary due to 3 major factors;
1. The ink making process was not well controlled and it produced some variety. In the vermilion the yellow/red balance produce various shades.

2. The processing of the stamps produced color differences. The gumming process, like the ink making, was not well controlled. Variations in the gum produced gums that were varied in PH. The more acidic gums and the higher the temperature in the drying chamber the greater the affect on the reds and carmine coloring pigments.

3. Post printing exposure to light and chemicals can have a marked effect on the color.

The colors that I see on my monitot are all within the normal range for this issue. I would not expect any of these examples to be from the special printings.


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Thank you, this information is very helpful.

I asked before on the boards and have looked online about it with varying opinion in regard to soaking the stamps to clean them.
How would I go about doing this properly?
I have never cleaned a stamp before, my growing hobby is from my wife's grandfather when he was a young boy.

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Use slightly warm water (slightly warm to the touch perfer less than 110F (44C). Allow to soak for 15-30min.

The hotter the water and the longer the soak time the greater the chance of deterioration of the sizing on the paper.

If this cleans them enough yoyr fine.

You can also do a short (10min) soak in a mild detergent (dish soap works well) followed by a 20 min rinse.


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