GB 2013: 50 years of Doctor Who - stamps, M/S, booklets etc.

Talentedmonkey · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:55:38 am

I am a huge fan of Doctor Who, ever since the early 70s.

In one way I am pleased to see a set of commemorative stamps to mark what is 50 years of Dr Who coming out in March 2013, but on the other its just another nail in the coffin of British stamp design and is slowly relegating us to the level of the like of Kiribati.

Forgot the links -

http://www.royalmail.com/doctorwho

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20838728

Mark_St1 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:00:25 am

As it's only due to the 50 year anniversary, I'm willing to be a lot more lenient to the British Postal Service on that one...

now as a DW fan, I have to figure out how to get my hands on the full set without setting alarm bells with my wife

Stewie1980 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:43:41 pm

15 stamps... What is Royal Mail thinking?!
Good thing I stopped collecting mint UK since 1st class went up to 60p.

JonEboy · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2012 23:15:25 pm

Stewie1980 wrote:

15 stamps... What is Royal Mail thinking?!
Good thing I stopped collecting mint UK since 1st class went up to 60p.

Although I only count 11 stamps and a mini sheet, I'm with you Stewie. Cancelled my subscription at the back end of last year. One of the bits of feedback that was given to RM and clearly they haven't taken on board, was to include more 2nd class stamps to try and keep costs down.

11 first class stamps, seriously :roll:

Jon

Stewie1980 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2012 23:35:31 pm

JonEboy wrote:

Stewie1980 wrote:

15 stamps... What is Royal Mail thinking?!
Good thing I stopped collecting mint UK since 1st class went up to 60p.

Although I only count 11 stamps and a mini sheet, I'm with you Stewie.

11 in the set + 4 in the minisheet

aethelwulf · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2012 23:47:45 pm

If they had had fewer actors play The Doctor, the set could have been shorter...blame the BBC. :lol:

This would probably bring in a big pot of money for RM, what with all the non-collecting fans of the series.

Rob K · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2012 07:03:13 am

When I was a young collector in the 1980s I remember the hard and fast rule that no living person other than a member of the Royal Family could be depicted on a stamp. When was this rule abolished? I seem to remember some of the Millennium series had real people on them, albeit unnamed, but not living, named actors!

Finchley Chris · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2012 07:08:34 am

Stewie1980 wrote:

15 stamps... What is Royal Mail thinking?!
Good thing I stopped collecting mint UK since 1st class went up to 60p.

I gave up with anything GB mint after decimalisation and anything at all after 2000.

Finchley Chris · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2012 07:11:50 am

Rob K wrote:

When I was a young collector in the 1980s I remember the hard and fast rule that no living person other than a member of the Royal Family could be depicted on a stamp. When was this rule abolished? I seem to remember some of the Millennium series had real people on them, albeit unnamed, but not living, named actors!

From Wikipedia :

"Until 2005, The policy followed by the Royal Mail was that the only identifiable living people depicted on British stamps were the monarch and other members of the Royal Family (or people imminently marrying into it). This policy was only occasionally broken, e.g. in the 1967 issue commemorating the solo round the world voyage of Gipsy Moth IV a person appeared as an unidentifiable blob on the yacht – as there was only one person on board it must have been Francis Chichester. Similarly in the issue honouring Freddie Mercury, drummer Roger Taylor can be seen in the background.
The rule was again broken in December 2003 when players from England's victory over Australia in the 2003 Rugby World Cup Final were shown; however, no faces appeared. The rule was finally abandoned with the release on 6 October 2005 of a set of stamps to commemorate the English cricket team's victory over Australia in the 2005 Ashes series. The four stamps clearly and deliberately depict members of the team including captain Michael Vaughan and Andrew "Freddie" Flintoff. A series of stamps released in January 2007 featured some of the most famous Beatles album covers, which also show members of the band. Similarly, a 2011 stamp features actor David Tennant in the role of Hamlet. A series of Gold Medal stamps, issued during the 2012 Summer Olympics, feature British gold medal-winning athletes."

2003 and 2005 seem to have particular significance!

Glyn Pope · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2012 07:24:07 am

I love Dr Who, but this is how can we make money.

mozzerb · **Posted:** Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:47:19 am

As Ian (norvic) will no doubt point out more authoritatively, Royal Mail gave up on the idea of selling mainly to single-country collectors some time ago. Now they produce sets on subjects that they think will sell well to thematic collectors and to non-philatelists as souvenirs.

This is probably a sound move given that they need to make money where they can now. An old-style postal service, with an old-style issuing policy, doesn't fit well when undercut by "competition" rules that involve letting profitable services be creamed off while the public service retains the obligations of the ones that don't pay well.

gavin-h · **Posted:** Sat Dec 29, 2012 05:38:55 am

Finchley Chris wrote:

From Wikipedia :

"Until 2005, The policy followed by the Royal Mail was that the only identifiable living people depicted on British stamps were the monarch and other members of the Royal Family (or people imminently marrying into it).

He's not a "living person" - he's a two-hearted alien from Galifrey :idea:

Finchley Chris · **Posted:** Sat Dec 29, 2012 07:25:12 am

Quote:

He's not a "living person" - he's a two-hearted alien from Galifrey

Surely, as a Time Lord, he can be whoever, whatever and wherever he wants to be...

CGOD1 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 00:46:27 am

Weeeellll, I suppose, technically, we COULD say that the pictures are not of living persons, they're merely renditions of the Dr. Who character over the years, and he is fictional.

Yeah, that's it.

:shock:

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 01:58:01 am

As was forecast long ago, Royal Mail will mark 50th years of the BBC Doctor Who series with a blockbuster issue of stamps and booklets. Originally reported to be issued in 8 January (a report repeated in error by at least one daily newspaper last week) the stamp issue will be on 26th March 2013.

The first Doctor Who episode was broadcast on 23 November 1963 at 5.15pm, but Royal Mail and the BBC are wisely marking the 50th anniversary throughout 2013.

The issue consists of:

11 x 1st class stamps depicting the 11 Doctors - gummed
MS - 1st class Tardis and 4 x 2nd class Enemies - self-adhesive
Retail booklet of 6 x 1st class. No Machins, but 4 x Tardis, and the 1st & latest Doctor stamps.
Prestige stamp book - 5 stamp panes including all 11 Doctors, the MS, and a definitive pane with 4 x 1st Tardis and 4 Machins (gummed)
Smilers Sheet: 20 x 1st Tardis with 4 incarnations each of 5 Enemies on the labels.
Presentation Pack
4 x FDCs: MS, Classic Doctors (8), Modern Doctors (3), PSB definitive pane.
17 x Stamp cards: 1 for each stamp and 1 for the MS.

Miniature sheet:

Retail booklet including Whos 1 & 11

Smilers Sheet

And a few random doctors:

Stamp (etc) images Copyright Royal Mail 2013. BBC, DOCTOR WHO (word marks, logos and devices), TARDIS, DALEKS, CYBERMAN and K-9 (word marks and devices) are trade marks of the British Broadcasting Corporation and are used under licence. BBC logo © BBC 1996. Doctor Who logo © BBC 2012. Dalek image © BBC/Terry Nation 1963. Cyberman image © BBC/Kit Pedler/Gerry Davis 1966. K-9 image © BBC/Bob Baker/Dave Martin 1977.

See more images on our blog.

Two actors who appear in this set have previously appeared on British stamps. Which actors and which stamps?

60022Mallard · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 03:42:08 am

Looks a big enough issue to cause even more people to cancel their standing orders for new issues.

I wonder if anyone at Royal Mail has studied the law of diminishing returns!

BIGANDYN · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:27:38 am

60022Mallard wrote:

Looks a big enough issue to cause even more people to cancel their standing orders for new issues.

I wonder if anyone at Royal Mail has studied the law of diminishing returns!

Too true...I'm glad I gave up GB new issues a long time ago.

I shudder to think what that "little" lot will cost.

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:28:07 am

mozzerb wrote:

As Ian (norvic) will no doubt point out more authoritatively, Royal Mail gave up on the idea of selling mainly to single-country collectors some time ago. Now they produce sets on subjects that they think will sell well to thematic collectors and to non-philatelists as souvenirs.

I will, I have

And not having found this thread by search, I'm waiting to see if Mods merge the two.

Meanwhile there are at least 25 (possibly 29) different stamps in this - for the specialist - and at least 20 different catalogue entries.

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:30:07 am

JonEboy wrote:

One of the bits of feedback that was given to RM and clearly they haven't taken on board, was to include more 2nd class stamps to try and keep costs down.

Jon

The MS has 1 x 1st and 4 x 2nd class stamps = £2.60.

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:32:13 am

BIGANDYN wrote:

I shudder to think what that "little" lot will cost.

£39.07 including prestige book and generic smiler sheet, excluding pres pack which duplicates the mint stamps, and excl FDCs.

BIGANDYN · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:39:38 am

norvic wrote:

BIGANDYN wrote:

I shudder to think what that "little" lot will cost.

£39.07 including prestige book and generic smiler sheet, excluding pres pack which duplicates the mint stamps, and excl FDCs.

39 quid!!!!!.....that about covers me for a full years Fiji new issues.

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:41:27 am

BIGANDYN wrote:

norvic wrote:

BIGANDYN wrote:

I shudder to think what that "little" lot will cost.

£39.07 including prestige book and generic smiler sheet, excluding pres pack which duplicates the mint stamps, and excl FDCs.

39 quid!!!!!.....that about covers me for a full years Fiji new issues.

Ah, but Fiji have just doubled their Airmail letter rate :lol:

BIGANDYN · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:55:37 am

norvic wrote:

BIGANDYN wrote:

norvic wrote:

BIGANDYN wrote:

I shudder to think what that "little" lot will cost.

£39.07 including prestige book and generic smiler sheet, excluding pres pack which duplicates the mint stamps, and excl FDCs.

39 quid!!!!!.....that about covers me for a full years Fiji new issues.

Ah, but Fiji have just doubled their Airmail letter rate :lol:

Ian, I've been told, by Post Fiji, it's "local postage rates" only which have increased...the inland letter rate doubled to 40c (14p).

Andy

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 04:58:46 am

Yes, you're right; I mis-read internal as international.

BIGANDYN · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 05:03:28 am

norvic wrote:

I mis-read internal as international.

Easily done Ian

Finchley Chris · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 05:31:07 am

Concentrating on the two questions at the end of your original post, I have absolutely no idea. It must be at least 45 years since I last watched an episode and haven't exactly followed it closely since...

mozzerb · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 06:58:24 am

norvic wrote:

Two actors who appear in this set have previously appeared on British stamps. Which actors and which stamps?

Without checking, IIRC David Tennant appeared on a Hamlet stamp, and I'd guess one of the first three in some other role was the other? (Hartnell in Carry On Sergeant? Pertwee as Worzel Gummidge?)

JonEboy · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 07:46:49 am

mozzerb wrote:

norvic wrote:

Two actors who appear in this set have previously appeared on British stamps. Which actors and which stamps?

Without checking, IIRC David Tennant appeared on a Hamlet stamp, and I'd guess one of the first three in some other role was the other? (Hartnell in Carry On Sergeant? Pertwee as Worzel Gummidge?)

mozzerb, these appear to be correct as Hartnell was in Carry on Sergeant but there was also another stamp with a Doctor Who connection issued as part of the Millennium collection. Any takers?

Jon

mozzerb · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 07:51:23 am

JonEboy wrote:

mozzerb wrote:

norvic wrote:

Two actors who appear in this set have previously appeared on British stamps. Which actors and which stamps?

Without checking, IIRC David Tennant appeared on a Hamlet stamp, and I'd guess one of the first three in some other role was the other? (Hartnell in Carry On Sergeant? Pertwee as Worzel Gummidge?)

mozzerb, these appear to be correct as Hartnell was in Carry on Sergeant but there was also another stamp with a Doctor Who connection issued as part of the Millennium collection. Any takers?

Jon

One of the stamps featured a Dalek, but not an actor.

JonEboy · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 08:05:22 am

mozzerb wrote:

JonEboy wrote:

mozzerb wrote:

norvic wrote:

Two actors who appear in this set have previously appeared on British stamps. Which actors and which stamps?

Without checking, IIRC David Tennant appeared on a Hamlet stamp, and I'd guess one of the first three in some other role was the other? (Hartnell in Carry On Sergeant? Pertwee as Worzel Gummidge?)

mozzerb, these appear to be correct as Hartnell was in Carry on Sergeant but there was also another stamp with a Doctor Who connection issued as part of the Millennium collection. Any takers?

Jon

One of the stamps featured a Dalek, but not an actor.

Unless you count the little fella inside :lol:

Jon

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 09:29:08 am

mozzerb wrote:

JonEboy wrote:

mozzerb wrote:

norvic wrote:

Two actors who appear in this set have previously appeared on British stamps. Which actors and which stamps?

Without checking, IIRC David Tennant appeared on a Hamlet stamp, and I'd guess one of the first three in some other role was the other? (Hartnell in Carry On Sergeant? Pertwee as Worzel Gummidge?)

mozzerb, these appear to be correct as Hartnell was in Carry on Sergeant but there was also another stamp with a Doctor Who connection issued as part of the Millennium collection. Any takers?

Jon

One of the stamps featured a Dalek, but not an actor.

Yes, all correct - I didn't think it would take you long

Here's the publicity picture for the Carry On retail booklet, with a picture of the Hartnell stamp on the advert, and the Shakespeare stamp showing Tennant

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RodT · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:57:53 am

I read nothing but praise and cool comments for these from young collectors.

gavin-h · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 20:15:47 pm

norvic wrote:

And not having found this thread by search, I'm waiting to see if Mods merge the two.

Mod Comment:

The 2 threads on the Dr Who issue have been exterminated.... erm, I mean "merged" :lol:

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 20:29:46 pm

Thanks for the merge Gavin. Maybe people haven't noticed this.....

norvic wrote:

Meanwhile there are at least 25 (possibly 29) different stamps in this - for the specialist - and at least 20 different catalogue entries.

Maybe there is something for the dealers here, if only to supply single Tardis & Machin from the PSB. Certainly there will be more spaces in preprinted albums than will be obvious to many people.

norvic · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 04:11:40 am

Before anybody else asks me to 'send me everything that is being produced' I will say that Royal Mail have made it very easy to buy. Just go to http://www.royalmail.com/doctorwho

Anybody who wants an alternative first day cover, these are the other major producers with their weblinks.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Buckingham covers - http://www.buckinghamcovers.com/ (ignore ‘Newsflah’ as that goes to a rarely used Facebook page. But see
http://www.buckinghamcovers.com/shop/comingsoon.php

British First Day Covers (Adrian Bradbury)
http://www.bfdc.co.uk/2013/doctor_who/

Cotswold-Stuart Covers
http://www.cotswold-first-day.co.uk/

Benham Covers (part of Stanley Gibbons)
http://www.benham.co.uk - rarely show covers before the stamps are issued

Note that some covers do not have specific Dr Who imagery due to the minimum £1,000 license fee that BBC Worldwide are charging for use of their trademark.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Due to the high costs involved and the cashflow implications we will not be stocking these products:
a. Doctors set
b. miniature sheet
c. presentation pack
d. Smilers Generic sheet
e. prestige stamp book
f. set of stamp cards
g. first day covers of a, b, d or serviced stamp cards.

We will stock:
h. Machin Definitives from Prestige Stamp Book
i. mini-sheet stamps from PSB
j. retail stamp booklet
k. single stamps from Generic Smilers sheet.
l. First Day Covers of
- Machin stamps from PSB (with and without the Tardis stamp)
- single stamps from retail stamp book as these are self-adhesive Doctors
- single stamps & labels from Smilers sheet as these are a different printing

norvic · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 04:16:45 am

norvic wrote:

Meanwhile there are at least 25 (possibly 29) different stamps in this - for the specialist - and at least 20 different catalogue entries.

My latest count is 30, as follows:

Full list of the 30 stamps in this Doctor Who celebration:

11 x 1st images of Dr Who actors - ordinary gum, litho by Cartor

1st class 11th Doctor - self-adhesive in retail booklet gravure by Walsall Security Print
1st class 1st Doctor - self-adhesive in retail booklet gravure by Walsall Security Print

1st Tardis (self-adhesive) - in miniature sheet gravure by Enschede

1st Tardis (self-adhesive) - in PSB pane showing miniature sheet litho by Cartor

1st Tardis (self-adhesive) - in Generic Smiler Sheet - probably litho by Cartor

1st Tardis (self-adhesive) - in retail booklet gravure by Walsall Security Print

1st Tardis (ordinary gum) - in PSB definitive pane gravure by Walsall Security Print

2nd class Dalek - in miniature sheet gravure by Enschede
2nd class Dalek - in miniature sheet PSB pane litho by Cartor

2nd class Ood - in miniature sheet gravure by Enschede
2nd class Ood - in miniature sheet PSB pane litho by Cartor

2nd class Cyberman - in miniature sheet gravure by Enschede
2nd class Cyberman - in miniature sheet PSB pane litho by Cartor

2nd class Weeping Angel - in miniature sheet gravure by Enschede
2nd class Weeping Angel - in miniature sheet PSB pane litho by Cartor

5p Machin definitive with iridescent layer, gummed, gravure by Walsall Security Print
10p Machin definitive with iridescent layer, gummed, gravure by Walsall Security Print
20p Machin definitive with iridescent layer, gummed, gravure by Walsall Security Print
87p Machin definitive with iridescent layer, gummed, gravure by Walsall Security Print

Stewie1980 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 04:23:55 am

Good luck if you collect used!

norvic · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 04:27:51 am

Stewie1980 wrote:

:shock:

Good luck if you collect used!

Well if you do you have an extended period to collect as some have already been found, this dated 27 February (for 26 March issue date):

passport_collect · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:11:29 am

Spoke with Royal Mail today and they are getting plenty of orders for the Doctor Who stamps. The rumour is that they are now planning another series to honour all of the Doctor's female assistants. What next - all of his foes?

Timshorts · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 19:38:10 pm

Perhaps they could abolich the machin series and have definitive stamps showing a dalek instead in future

norvic · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 20:32:34 pm

passport_collect wrote:

Spoke with Royal Mail today and they are getting plenty of orders for the Doctor Who stamps. The rumour is that they are now planning another series to honour all of the Doctor's female assistants. What next - all of his foes?

No, no and no: 6 of his foes are in this issue anyway.
Remember this is an anniversary issue, only one is needed.

But as a side issue, we've had this report from a reader about the new tariff stamps to be issued (and distributed from the Bureau) the following day:

Quote:

I have today received a letter from the bureau that dispatch of this issue is delayed from the 27th March until the 11th April due to circumstances beyond our control.
It also states that stamping facilities will be extended to the 24th April for those who want to create their own FDCs

Of course the new rate stamps will be available in Post Offices but once again it looks as if Edinburgh have been hoist by their own stamp-issuing/staff-slashing measures. I'm following this up.

Stamp&CoinMart · **Posted:** Thu Mar 21, 2013 00:15:26 am

On the subject of the forthcoming Doctor Who stamps, Stamp & Coin Mart will be giving away 11 stamp postcards, courtesy of Royal Mail, with the May 2013 issue of the magazine.

Here's a link to a news story and a video with me explaining the free gift (cringe!)

http://www.collectors-club-of-great-bri ... art/_nw643

The cost of all the stamps might be too much for many collectors, but our freebie might help!

Thanks,
Matt

Matt Hill
Editor, Stamp & Coin Mart
http://www.stampandcoin.co.uk

gooner · **Posted:** Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:13:14 am

I suddenly feel very old - as I remember watching the first series with Doctor No 1 in black and white.

PS - I also received that "late call" letter from Royal Mail. Will the tariff increase apply to any late sendings of Dr Who material?

norvic · **Posted:** Thu Mar 21, 2013 20:04:29 pm

gooner wrote:

I suddenly feel very old - as I remember watching the first series with Doctor No 1 in black and white.

PS - I also received that "late call" letter from Royal Mail. Will the tariff increase apply to any late sendings of Dr Who material?

Given that all the Dr Who stamps are 1st & 2nd class the question doesn't apply.

gooner · **Posted:** Thu Mar 21, 2013 20:20:49 pm

norvic wrote:

gooner wrote:

I suddenly feel very old - as I remember watching the first series with Doctor No 1 in black and white.

PS - I also received that "late call" letter from Royal Mail. Will the tariff increase apply to any late sendings of Dr Who material?

Given that all the Dr Who stamps are 1st & 2nd class the question doesn't apply.

Of course - I forgot 1st and 2nd class aren't going up this year! Got so used to huge price rises every year.

Dorian · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2013 03:06:07 am

Article on this issue on the BBC website today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21937601

gooner · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2013 04:54:07 am

Dorian wrote:

Article on this issue on the BBC website today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21937601

Part of the article quotes the following:

Quote:

For "commercial reasons" Royal Mail says it does not release sales figures, and it is hard to know exact numbers, or what age group is buying them.

Anybody know what these "commercial reasons" are ... after all they are a monopoly for "original point of sale" stamp selling in the UK are they not?
Normally "commercial reasons" are to protect against competition .. what competition would that be?

norvic · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2013 05:13:51 am

gooner wrote:

Anybody know what these "commercial reasons" are ... after all they are a monopoly for "original point of sale" stamp selling in the UK are they not?
Normally "commercial reasons" are to protect against competition .. what competition would that be?

No, they are not a monopoly for 'point of sale' for stamps, Universal Mail UK also sell stamps.

But that aside, the view (advised to us at dealer briefings) is that disclosure of stamp sales would give some idea of volumes and throughput which would be of use to competitors - and mail in the UK is open to competitors.

However, my counter to that argument is that Royal Mail are obliged to provide data to the mail regulator, and that data is publicly available, and it gives some idea of volumes and costs. I don't think their argument stands up, but it is impossible to get them to see any other point of view.

FOI requests have brought some figures, but raising a FOI request for every issue could be considered frivolous by the information commissioner.

JonEboy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2013 05:21:15 am

gooner wrote:

Dorian wrote:

Article on this issue on the BBC website today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21937601

Part of the article quotes the following:

Quote:

For "commercial reasons" Royal Mail says it does not release sales figures, and it is hard to know exact numbers, or what age group is buying them.

Anybody know what these "commercial reasons" are ... after all they are a monopoly for "original point of sale" stamp selling in the UK are they not?
Normally "commercial reasons" are to protect against competition .. what competition would that be?

Hi Dave,

At a guess I'd say that the competition would be other producers of stamps, as whilst it's true to say that RM have the monopoly on UK stamps they don't have the monopoly on sales od stamps to collectors in the UK.

If competitors could see for example that the London Underground series went particularly well then other producers may be tempted to do their own series on that same theme, and whilst that doesn't compete against RM directly it does remove part of their revenue stream.

As single country completists dwindle and buyers are more selective in their purchases, this kind of information could be gold dust to other producers.

Jon

EDIT: Ian beat me to it by seconds.... :roll:

norvic · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2013 20:09:20 pm

JonEboy wrote:

EDIT: Ian beat me to it by seconds.... :roll:

And then went to the stamp club meeting! Morning all! Here are UMUK stamps

And at least 2 threads discussing them
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