Global Administrator wrote:
The Researcher wrote:
alyn good point on the accounting practices.
But then I am not really into all the details of accounting practices.
And then go on for a page regaling us with YOUR spin on the accounting practices you claim to know nothing about, desperately trying to make the figures fit your version of events.
alyn is and was talking about the financial end. Audits etc;. I am talking about the quantities issued. Two completely different things Gavin...thus my counter
Your request to write out a 10 page book report on everything to do with the project on this "forum" will not happen as it has never happened on any other subject brought forth in this forum. I do not have time to waste on it as it only will be twisted and ridiculed by biased moderators under a biased leader.
In short the aim of the project is to show what was printed and what was saved. Showing evidence to back it wherever possible. You know and I know that some evidence will never be found but we have a lot more evidence than any of you as to what WAS printed.
The method is to utilize all surviving documents including exhibits by the court prosecutors, printing records saved by the owner of the printing company, and materials that are being sold and have been sold all over the world.
Some answers are being witheld by certain entities for fear of devaluing their stock which in most cases it appears that already happened many years ago.
Certain articles will not
be used as they are biased and play toward proving in favor of the writer. Ever watch FOX NEWS? Same scenario.
Here are examples of twists and conjecture and bias from the "holy article".
Also in January 1987 the London and New York International Stamp Company Ltd. (LYNI) and Philatelic Distribution Corporation Ltd. (PDC) paid Â£300,000 for the right to reprint certain stamps whether reprinting was subject to the Tuvalu Government giving consent is not certain.
They most certainly did know. They made huge profits from it. Building base for conjecture by the writer.
The Government of Tuvalu entered into a contract with Philatelic Distribution Corporation Ltd. (PDC) in June 1987. PDC under a further agreement purchased from the Tuvalu government some 16 million stamps for Â£65,000. Over 2 million were alleged to be flawed.
Included imperfs, specimens and progressives for many sets
not just LOW issues.
They are not "flawed". Note the word "alleged". Articles were written knowing Clive may come down on them like a ton of bricks so words like these are used so as not to be contested.
A further contract, which was to give rise to litigation, was made on the 17th of October 1987 between PDC and Tuvalu. Tuvalu gave PDC strictly defined rights to design, produce, sell and distribute thematic stamps for Tuvalu and its Islands.
including the right to reprint the stamps as the reprint agreement is the main reason they lost the trials.
Clauses in this contract required stamps to be produced âunder the supervision of PDC by a security printers acceptable to the governmentâ and required PDC to âuphold the integrity of the Governmentâ. PDC used the printers, Format International Security Printers, Ltd.
Worded like this is something new. Format produced all of their stamps before this.
Here is a tidbit....Questa.
By March 1988, the Tuvalu Government suspected this contract was being breached. They were concerned about advertisements which offered flawed Tuvalu stamps.
Not because of advertisement. It was because a disgruntled ex-employee (Laagerwood) started writing letters to the Tuvalu government about it. We have copies of the letters.
Dated February 1988. Very bad.
Conjecture on the writers part.
During a series of communications with Clive Feigenbaum at PDC, Tuvalu were misled about the relationship between PDC and Format; nor were they informed that Format had been instructed to print a substantial quantity of flawed stamps.
They knew exactly what they were printing except we will give you the "errors". That is still up for debate though but does not pertain to this thread.
Meanwhile, on the 18th of April, an employee of PDC gave an order to Format to print Tuvalu stamps and Format complied. In accordance with the then existing arrangements with PDC, Format was required to print approximately 21,000 sets of unflawed stamps and 14,000 sets of flawed stamps, a total order of almost 4 million stamps with a rough value of Â£2 million.
The wording "flawed" over and over. "flawed" including imperfs and specimens which are the majority of the 14,000 ordered. since when is an imperforate stamp or Specimen overprinted stamp considered "flawed"? Guess everyone who owns any have "flawed" stamps then. Better consider them all junk.
The use of the word is biased and meant to demean. Inclusion of the imperfs etc; used to exaggerate the amounts.
On April 27 1988, Scotland Yard Fraud Squad together with officers of the Gibraltar Fraud Squad executed a search warrant at Formatâs premises where Detective Constable Faulds saw a substantial quantity of Tuvalu stamps which had just been printed. On May 14th, they removed thousands of stamps bearing the name of Tuvalu as well as other material.
Complete conjecture and manipulation of words. They found some newly printed.....yes....but at the time they were still printing Tuvalu stamps under contract. The majority were taken out of the archive
along with every progressive, specimen overprinted and imperforate plus much more for St. Vincent, St. Lucia, Nevis and so forth.
Read the line "as well as other material" Inclusion used....biased and worded to minimize inclusion of everything they took.
"where Detective Constable Faulds saw a substantial quantity of Tuvalu stamps which had just been printed."
Conjecture and manipulation by the writer. Of course there were Tuvalu stamps that were just printed. Probably the Red Cross issue or the Voyages of Captain Cook issues...duhhhhh.
Meanwhile, on the 18th of April, an employee of PDC gave an order to Format to print Tuvalu stamps and Format complied.
The reason Clive got fined. He did not stop the employee. Oooops
But openly defying a Court order from a Judge in a Superior Court is "a trivial thing" to you?????
Your big letters don't make it any bigger of a crime. As it is stated in the book Taking Responsibility, Personal Liability Under Environmental law. Stephen Trumans p40
"If he fails in this duty he will be punished for contempt of court notwithstanding that he had not actively participated in the breach"
You act as if the guy murdered somebody. So self righteous.
These points are shown to show you some of the twisting and bias of the articles used in the "holy article". I really do not care about it...it is not about the thread. But you continually put it in the thread and you personally continue to twist it and word it in your biased ways for whatever reason...personal or otherwise. Name calling and making personal attacks continually is childish and tyrannical only because this is your forum. If you did this in another persons forum I am sure your comments would be deleted and probably you would be kicked out by now for trolling a thread.
Now....delete it....lock it.....or move on with what the thread is about.
It is not about Clive. But you cannot get off of it can you? I think his ghost haunts you.