Banging the drum for the Uglies

tonymacg · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 00:53:49 am

Two months would be a record fast turnaround for the BPA. Like the mills of God, they grind slow, but they grind exceeding fine. I wouldn't start to worry for another few months yet

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 00:56:38 am

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 01:08:13 am

Reprints I presume ??

psphani · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 07:28:42 am

Is this SG 37?

I am not able to differentiate if its SG 29 or SG 37.

ikanek · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 07:48:35 am

psphani wrote:

Is this SG 37?

I am not able to differentiate if its SG 29 or SG 37.

The difference lies in perforation and used paper.

SG 29 - 1912-22 - perf. 11 - paper watermarked "Dorling & Co. London" in sheet.
SG 37 - 1928 - perf. 12 (or combination with perf. 11) - paper watermarked either as SG 29 or "Overland Bank". The latter paper has a coarser structure. SG mentions that also this value can be found perf. 11, but it is difficult to distinguish it from 1912-22 issue.

So, try to measure perforations - maybe you can try to measure it from back. I assume that this will most likely be SG 29 which should be common compared to SG 37.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:15:26 am

mukulgarga wrote:

Reprints I presume ??

The very first ½ Anna looks more like a reprint than an original print (the reprints were better printed and on thinner, smoother paper: judging them is more an art than a science

). The rest all look like Missing Die forgeries.

When I have some time, I'll post examples of the diagnostics for the Missing Dies.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:32:56 am

ikanek wrote:

psphani wrote:

Is this SG 37?

I am not able to differentiate if its SG 29 or SG 37.

The difference lies in perforation and used paper.

SG 29 - 1912-22 - perf. 11 - paper watermarked "Dorling & Co. London" in sheet.
SG 37 - 1928 - perf. 12 (or combination with perf. 11) - paper watermarked either as SG 29 or "Overland Bank". The latter paper has a coarser structure. SG mentions that also this value can be found perf. 11, but it is difficult to distinguish it from 1912-22 issue.

So, try to measure perforations - maybe you can try to measure it from back. I assume that this will most likely be SG 29 which should be common compared to SG 37.

Ikanek is right: the only sure way to distinguish between SG 29 and SG 37 is the gauge of the perforations. If you are lucky enough to have a letter of watermark showing on your stamp, and it's a letter that can only occur in OVERLAND BANK, then that should help.

Here are examples of SG 29 (at left) and SG 37 (at right):

The print quality of your example looks more like SG 37, but the fluffy perforations are more characteristic of SG 29

Incidentally, I think the prices in Gibbons for SG 34-37 are rather too high. The 1 Rupee is another matter entirely!

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:35:26 am

tonymacg wrote:

mukulgarga wrote:

Reprints I presume ??

The very first ½ Anna looks more like a reprint than an original print (the reprints were better printed and on thinner, smoother paper: judging them is more an art than a science

). The rest all look like Missing Die forgeries.

When I have some time, I'll post examples of the diagnostics for the Missing Dies.

What are the Missing Dies forgeries worth? Originals command almost 100% of Gibbons.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:45:52 am

Hard to say, but not much: as you can see, there are an awful lot of them around, and only very limited demand. I've never deliberately bought any myself (though I have acquired plenty accidentally

), but I'd guess they might perhaps fetch up to a dollar each on a good day.

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 15:30:38 pm

tonymacg wrote:

The scans are pathetically small, but from what I can see of them, all the Circulars on the first page are fakes or reprints. There are also some of the Allahabad or photocopier fakes of the Jammu sheets of four, and some of the other Old and New Rectangulars also appear to be fakes. I believe there is some value in the lot, however.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... true&rt=nc

491 GBP is some value !!

psphani · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 16:23:28 pm

mukulgarga wrote:

tonymacg wrote:

The scans are pathetically small, but from what I can see of them, all the Circulars on the first page are fakes or reprints. There are also some of the Allahabad or photocopier fakes of the Jammu sheets of four, and some of the other Old and New Rectangulars also appear to be fakes. I believe there is some value in the lot, however.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... true&rt=nc

491 GBP is some value !!

I cannot comment anything about this J&K lot since i don't know much about J&K but i am surprised at the other states. Some went so high and i find nothing in them.

psphani · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 16:25:21 pm

tonymacg wrote:

ikanek wrote:

psphani wrote:

Is this SG 37?

I am not able to differentiate if its SG 29 or SG 37.

The difference lies in perforation and used paper.

SG 29 - 1912-22 - perf. 11 - paper watermarked "Dorling & Co. London" in sheet.
SG 37 - 1928 - perf. 12 (or combination with perf. 11) - paper watermarked either as SG 29 or "Overland Bank". The latter paper has a coarser structure. SG mentions that also this value can be found perf. 11, but it is difficult to distinguish it from 1912-22 issue.

So, try to measure perforations - maybe you can try to measure it from back. I assume that this will most likely be SG 29 which should be common compared to SG 37.

Ikanek is right: the only sure way to distinguish between SG 29 and SG 37 is the gauge of the perforations. If you are lucky enough to have a letter of watermark showing on your stamp, and it's a letter that can only occur in OVERLAND BANK, then that should help.

Here are examples of SG 29 (at left) and SG 37 (at right):

The print quality of your example looks more like SG 37, but the fluffy perforations are more characteristic of SG 29

Incidentally, I think the prices in Gibbons for SG 34-37 are rather too high. The 1 Rupee is another matter entirely!

Thanks ikanek and Tony. I will pass this as SG 29 and not go for it.

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 16:32:28 pm

psphani wrote:

mukulgarga wrote:

tonymacg wrote:

The scans are pathetically small, but from what I can see of them, all the Circulars on the first page are fakes or reprints. There are also some of the Allahabad or photocopier fakes of the Jammu sheets of four, and some of the other Old and New Rectangulars also appear to be fakes. I believe there is some value in the lot, however.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... true&rt=nc

491 GBP is some value !!

I cannot comment anything about this J&K lot since i don't know much about J&K but i am surprised at the other states. Some went so high and i find nothing in them.

True.For example :-
Duttia --73 GBP with 3 Duttia forgeries and Shahpura fiscals
Alwar Bamra Bhor -- 105.81 GBP where I personally would not bid for 20 GBP
same with other lots.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 17:30:04 pm

mukulgarga wrote:

tonymacg wrote:

The scans are pathetically small, but from what I can see of them, all the Circulars on the first page are fakes or reprints. There are also some of the Allahabad or photocopier fakes of the Jammu sheets of four, and some of the other Old and New Rectangulars also appear to be fakes. I believe there is some value in the lot, however.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... true&rt=nc

491 GBP is some value !!

This was a very much bigger gamble than I really wanted to take, but if it comes off, it will be worth it

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 00:08:27 am

Waterflow & Sons Specimens of Indian States.
What are they worth? Any separate catalog for them?

tonymacg · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:08:54 am

I recall seeing a number of Waterlow proofs and specimens of Indian States revenues at auction, but I don't think I've seen them of postage issues. (Apart from the two issues for Indore, and those for Sirmoor, did Waterlow do any other Indian States postage stamps?)

Proofs and specimens of revenues would be rather exotic material. I'd expect the market for them would be very thin - but I'm sure Ikanek has more experience in this area.

Perkins, Bacon proofs seem to be relatively common, though, for Cochin and Indore, and they turn up every so often for the 1904 Kishangarh set.

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 17:21:59 pm

All these are revenues

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 03:25:46 am

tonymacg wrote:

OK, now, first up: here's the Jasdan stamp we're discussing:

A few comments on the appearance of the stamp:

This seller, beattle123, seems to have the worst scanning technique in the world. I've seen a lot of his offerings, and the scans invariably look horrible.

In his early days, he was offering a lot of material that appeared to suffer from severe condition problems. They might have been stored in Chinese stockbooks in a place subject to periodic flooding

That this is offered with 'full white gum' worries me, then. The more so since Jasdan stamps very often have the backing paper adhering to the stamp. The hinge trace might be a clever bit of double bluff over a re-gummed stamp.

The differences in design could perfectly well be due to differences in the cliché used. There were four, and they're identifiable from small design differences. The inking also seems to be heavier on the right side of the stamp.

So I'd tentatively pass this one as probably genuine, but with questions over its condition.

Even allowing for the problems with the scans, I think the answer's pretty clear. The eBay stamp is an SG 4, if anything

Finally identified it as SG4 State ii, cliche 2. White apostrophe across the outer white circle at about 2 o'clock position just above the letter looking like 'E'.Ref ISC India post vol 151/pg 3
A rare cliche as I can see from my hoard of Jasdan.

ikanek · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 04:32:40 am

mukulgarga wrote:

All these are revenues

These are proof material which were used by Waterlow & Sons for promotion of their business.
Most issues such as your both Indore and Sirmoor were issued in sheets of 9 (3x3). In most cases, they were applied with a small punch and overprint "Waterlow & Sons, Ltd. Specimen".
Their value for single piece lies between 10-25 USD each.

Alwar, Jubbal and Morvi were likely printed in larger blocks as I have in my collection the following:
Alwar - block of 10, Jubbal - block of 15, Morvi - block of 12 (different style).

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:25:02 am

Thanks ikanek

mallu · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2012 03:38:42 am

Hi, I've been following this fantastic thread for quite some time and finally decided to take the plunge....

I used to collect Cochin & Travancore stamps quite avidly some years back, followed by a few years of inactivity. I regret not having the knowledge base that this thread offers in those days.

Anyway, my interest has been rekindled and i dug out my old stock books. Thank god, the stamps didn't appear to have suffered in the long period of inactivity.

I've started off with Cochin and the initial issues. From the meager number of stamps i have of this period, i have been unable to

(a) Decipher whether the paper is laid or wove. When i hold the stamp up to the light, it appears thin and i can see a sort of mesh. So, is it wove ? How does a Cochin stamp on laid or wove paper look like ?

(b) I can't make out any watermark or part of a watermark .

(c) Could someone post examples of Cochin stamps on thin & thick paper ?

tonymacg · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:47:03 am

Mallu, it's great to see that you've finally taken the plunge, and joined the discussions. However, before one of the Moderators reminds you, let me do so: please go to the Hello All New Members thread under Roll Call, and introduce yourself to the rest of the Stampboards community.

Now, early Cochin isn't my area, but the question of laid and wove paper is easy to answer. With 'laid' paper, you will see a watermark of closely spaced parallel lines in the paper; in 'wove' paper, you will see a sort of woven mesh pattern in the paper. From your description, I think you have the wove paper varieties.

The thick and thin papers are usually easy enough to distinguish, once you have a few identified. The thin papers usually have a slightly brownish look, while the thick papers are rather white. Here is a thin paper ½ Puttan on the left, and a thick paper ½ Puttan on the right:

I'm sorry I can't offer any easy solution for the problem of the watermarks on early Cochin stamps. The difficulty in seeing the watermarks on these stamps is one reason I avoid them

rakeshk · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2012 13:28:14 pm

Hi mallu,

Welcome to the board from a fellow keralite (I presume) and Cochin philatelist

Tony has already answered questions a) and c)

In the 1st issue 1/2 put, 1 put and 2 put Cochin stamps , you should be able to see the small watermark umbrella while in the latter issues of the same denomination, the watermark is difficult to make out and the paper is "transparent" when immersed in watermark fluid. As Stanley Gibbons says there wasnt a lot of care with regards to the position of the watermark, so you can see these in a variety of positions.

In face I have an 1892 1 put violet with four umbrella watermarks , one in each corner of the stamp!

tonymacg · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2012 18:18:10 pm

And yet another strong realisation on eBay. This Bhopal SG O354d

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=400301703856

mint hinged, sold for $US165, or basically full Gibbons price of £110. 15 bids from six bidders; I dropped out at less than half the winning bid. A nice specimen, of course: this set is notorious for poor centring.

I'm growing used to Cochin and Jammu & Kashmir regularly making full catalogue, but Bhopal is a new one on me.

mallu · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2012 21:07:07 pm

Thanks Tony & Rakesh

There's a particular lot on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110894654593 with three stamps of the initial cochin issue. From the face of it, can you make out whether it is a 1892 issue or 1894 ?

Is there any difference in the size of the 1/2 put issue of 1892 & 1894.

A couple of the stamps i have, measure in between 21 1/2 to 22 mm in width, but there's one which is closer to 22 1/2

. Is there any relation between the year of issue & size ?

Is there any way of detecting wmks on the cochin stamps without using the wmk fluid ?

From the type of paper, the stamps i have appears to be 1894 issue, but i just can't make out any wmk.

rakeshk · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:55:41 pm

Iam not aware of any specific size difference between the two issues. In the eBay item you post below, the 1/2 puttan has a cancel on it dated 1172 ME - which could be 1896 or 1897 depending on the month (which is not very clear on the cancel) . So likelihood is that its an 1894 issue, though there's nothing stopping late usage of the 1892 issue stamp. So cannot really make out from the scan.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 15:27:21 pm

You can find small differences in size like this simply due to over- and under-inking of the printing plate, too. A very 'juicy' impression can appear on paper as perhaps ¼ mm larger on the sides.

If I can add a question about the Cochin umbrella watermarks, from the other end of their life

The umbrella is often hard to see on the first lithographed printings. From what I've seen, it appears that the umbrella watermarked paper is thinner, smoother and whiter than the sheet watermarked paper. Is that in fact the case? A simple rule for distinguishing between the two papers would be a great help.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 16:05:39 pm

And a couple more slightly off-beat items from eBay arrived today.

This Dhar SG 1 (not yet plated) is ordinary enough, except that it has a CDS of Dharampuri village:

This is only my second specimen from Dharampuri, and only my third from any State Post Office outside Dhar Town. Dhar Town CDSs are common enough as CTO or favour cancellations, but cancellations from the villages are distinctly scarce.

And a Charkhari first: a state POSTAGE DUE cachet on a tiny cover:

Unfortunately, the date of the CDS is completely illegible.

Perhaps the sender thought that making the cover small enough might help it escape detection

psphani · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 01:58:32 am

Is 225$ good price for this sheet? Also do you think this sheet would be picked up by collectors if on sale?

This is SG 125 and SG 125a

mallu · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 03:08:08 am

Tony, Could you post scans of the 1892 and 1894 issues ,and if possible, the colour variations mentioned in the SG cat ?

Rakesh, i am a mallu, but you need to guide me on how to convert the ME calendar to the CE one. I had'nt noticed the postmark on the said lot.

boban76 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 03:47:19 am

mallu wrote:

Tony, Could you post scans of the 1892 and 1894 issues ,and if possible, the colour variations mentioned in the SG cat ?

Rakesh, i am a mallu, but you need to guide me on how to convert the ME calendar to the CE one. I had'nt noticed the postmark on the said lot.

Mallu

sorry to join late on this thread and happy to see another serious cochin collector here.

Here's a link you can convert malayalam calendar to M.E and vice versa

http://www.prokerala.com/general/calend ... blCalTitle
George

boban76 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 03:49:17 am

[quote="psphani"]Is 225$ good price for this sheet? Also do you think this sheet would be picked up by collectors if on sale?

This is SG 125 and SG 125a

Sorry to discourage you but i think 125-150 $ will be a fair price

psphani · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 04:12:59 am

boban76 wrote:

psphani wrote:

Is 225$ good price for this sheet? Also do you think this sheet would be picked up by collectors if on sale?

This is SG 125 and SG 125a

Sorry to discourage you but i think 125-150 $ will be a fair price

Thanks boban. This sheet was offered to me for 225$ and i wanted to know the cochin market before buying it.

mallu · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 05:01:29 am

George, Thanks, great link

. You'd think that the least a mallu should know is his calendar :oops:

Timbres · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 05:05:18 am

boban76 wrote:

psphani wrote:

Is 225$ good price for this sheet? Also do you think this sheet would be picked up by collectors if on sale?

This is SG 125 and SG 125a

Sorry to discourage you but i think 125-150 $ will be a fair price

REMINDER: People, we are an international board....depending on which country currency you are talking about, it might be a good deal or a terrible deal. In any case; for the sake of others, could you please indicate what country DOLLARS you are talking about?

Thanks,

Timbres

psphani · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 05:07:20 am

Timbres wrote:

boban76 wrote:

psphani wrote:

Is 225$ good price for this sheet? Also do you think this sheet would be picked up by collectors if on sale?

This is SG 125 and SG 125a

Sorry to discourage you but i think 125-150 $ will be a fair price

REMINDER: People, we are an international board....depending on which country currency you are talking about, it might be a good deal or a terrible deal. In any case; for the sake of others, could you please indicate what country DOLLARS you are talking about?

Thanks,

Timbres

Its in USD

tonymacg · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:23:31 am

psphani, I'd avoid that sheet altogether. It's missing two margins, and sheets of SG 125 with margins aren't impossible to find. Hold out for a complete one

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:06:49 pm

Is it a genuine sheet?

I do not know much about Charkhari.

birder · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:24:57 pm

"Charkhar" in two stamps in the first row.
No dot after the "O" in top right corner...

tonymacg · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 14:42:18 pm

mukulgarga wrote:

Is it a genuine sheet?

I do not know much about Charkhari.

Definitely bad, I'm afraid. There are a lot of these forgeries about.

This is what a genuine 4 Annas looks like:

Note the weak top left corner. This is characteristice of the the genuine types.

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 15:13:20 pm

Tony is there any place where one can find identification of forgeries of Indian Fed. States.A book or a website.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 15:22:09 pm

mallu wrote:

Tony, Could you post scans of the 1892 and 1894 issues ,and if possible, the colour variations mentioned in the SG cat ?

Looking again at my Cochin, I have to admit that separating the 1892 and 1894 papers isn't really all that difficult after all. If you can find and definitely identify examples of each, comparing new examples against them will make sorting easy.

Looking at the backs of the stamps may be the quickest way to classify them. Here are examples of the thin no watermark/sheet watermark paper on the left, and the thicker umbrella watermarked paper on the right:

The thin papers are usually more yellowish or brownish, and the colour of the stamp on the front shows through more clearly. The thick papers are whiter, and the colour doesn't show through as easily, if at all. (However, you do sometimes find offset prints, where a newly printed sheet has been dropped on top of another newly printed, and still wet, sheet, and some of the colour from the lower sheet has transferred to the back of the sheet above.)

Here are examples of the four shades of the ½ Puttan:

From left to right: Buff, orange-buff, yellow and orange

And here are the two higher values:

The 1 Puttan purple and the 2 Puttan violet. (Don't be fooled into paying big money for the 1 Puttan violet:

As Gibbons says in a note, it was a special fiscal use printing only.)

tonymacg · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 15:37:04 pm

mukulgarga wrote:

Tony is there any place where one can find identification of forgeries of Indian Fed. States.A book or a website.

There isn't any one single resource for these forgeries, because there are so many different types, and new ones keep on appearing. This thread http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13744 may give you a start, though.

Of course, the best sources on the forgeries of some of the States are the ISC Handbooks - for Alwar, Bamra, Bhopal, the Bundi 'Sacred Cows', Soruth and Wadhwan - the Web sites for Jammu & Kashmir and Poonch, and the India Post archives. However, AFAIK, noone has ever attempted the task of bringing all these details together in one place. (The Labour of Hercules, Cleaning the Augean Stables, comes to mind ...

)

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 16:00:24 pm

and Hercules

didn't even get the credit for this fifth labour

tonymacg · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 16:03:29 pm

Well, nobody wanted to go near him until the pong wore off :lol:

mukulgarga · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 16:08:43 pm

tonymacg wrote:

Well, nobody wanted to go near him until the pong wore off :lol:

well here we are dealing with uglies so its no-pong case and a more welcome job

pothbhola · **Posted:** Thu Jun 14, 2012 01:01:04 am

Dear Birder,
Can you kindly send me a mail at pothbhola (at) hotmail (dot) com
I need to discuss something with you.

mallu · **Posted:** Thu Jun 14, 2012 03:57:49 am

tonymacg wrote:

mallu wrote:

Tony, Could you post scans of the 1892 and 1894 issues ,and if possible, the colour variations mentioned in the SG cat ?

Looking again at my Cochin, I have to admit that separating the 1892 and 1894 papers isn't really all that difficult after all. If you can find and definitely identify examples of each, comparing new examples against them will make sorting easy.

Looking at the backs of the stamps may be the quickest way to classify them. Here are examples of the thin no watermark/sheet watermark paper on the left, and the thicker umbrella watermarked paper on the right:

The thin papers are usually more yellowish or brownish, and the colour of the stamp on the front shows through more clearly. The thick papers are whiter, and the colour doesn't show through as easily, if at all. (However, you do sometimes find offset prints, where a newly printed sheet has been dropped on top of another newly printed, and still wet, sheet, and some of the colour from the lower sheet has transferred to the back of the sheet above.)

Here are examples of the four shades of the ½ Puttan:

From left to right: Buff, orange-buff, yellow and orange

And here are the two higher values:

The 1 Puttan purple and the 2 Puttan violet. (Don't be fooled into paying big money for the 1 Puttan violet:

As Gibbons says in a note, it was a special fiscal use printing only.)

Thanks Tony. Now, i have something to compare my stamps with.

tonymacg · **Posted:** Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:22:29 am

I should have added this scan of an SG 4, the orange-buff on laid paper:

but I don't have it any more. I sold it a while ago.

However, do treat my scans of these stamps as strictly provisional. I'm just an accumulator of these stamps, not a collector

The experts in them, who are members here, may need to correct my identifications.

jadrake · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:21:03 pm

Wow, I don't check in in two days and miss an entire page..... ok time for me to send out a challenge.... a dealer (who is also a board member here) are working out a sale of some Charkhari he recently has obtained from the 1930 series. We agreed to a price but since we live continents apart figured we'd run by the board first for your wisdom and input whether they seem sound. :-)

I have read through the board for notes, and I don't see anything that jumps out, but alas I just don't know enough about this issue (it'll be my initial foray here!). The 1/2a red looks a little too polished, but you be the judge...

SG32 1p Dull to light green on Pelure - the paper appears to have pelure characteristics (thin allowing light to pass through etc.)

SG33 1p Violet

SG36 1/2a Black (again on pelure)

SG37 1/2a Red (left side bulge caused by more pressure applied to left?)

SG41 1a Red (not sure about the semi-circular inking below the stamp -also appears on purple above)

SG43 2a Greenish Grey (not sure if the diagonal line is a crease - I don't have the back scans and need to discuss). The ink skip on the right frameline is interesting....


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