Share Your Nice New Zealand First Flight Covers

HILLS · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2007 07:14:56 am

Hi Folks,

Nice New Zealand first direct and return flight cover dated 10 Dec 1931.Auckland to Rotorua and return.

Featuring Smiling Boys. Whats it worth?

Cheers from the deep south of N Z. - Temp here today -5c Brrrr

Wayne Hillary

stamper · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:50:24 pm

Fantastic Cover There Hills
Having Both the smiling boys on one cover is major drool material.

I also save The old Health/ Air combos
But only have the "Boys" as singles.

stamper · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:56:06 pm

A little worse for wear but still adds to the set.

I imagine yours has strong value being the double Health.
Mine are about as close as I'll get to the ellusive first Day one of ( 31/10/31)

HILLS · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2007 13:29:27 pm

Hi Stamper,
I was the losing underbidder on Ebay last year for a Smiling Boys FDC.My bid was $1410.Bummer.

Cheers
Wayne Hillary

stamper · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2007 13:51:59 pm

OMG Hills

That would be USA$ as well.( An investment cover for sure)
I hope the winner was from New Zealand
To bring "The Boys" back home into kiwi hands.

Lakatoi 4 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2007 23:07:39 pm

Both Smiling Boys on the one cover and even on separate covers - nice indeed

Here's a 1932 FFC from Wellington to Nelson with a "No response" notation:

GlenStephens · **Posted:** Mon Jun 18, 2007 00:36:24 am

Yes, both Boys on one cover is a VERY nice item.

mailcovers · **Posted:** Tue Jun 19, 2007 15:35:17 pm

Great Flight Covers Guys ...no smiling boys here :cry:

Just a King on a first flight Christchurch to Dunedin 1930

stamper · **Posted:** Tue Jun 19, 2007 20:11:22 pm

What a nice fresh cover for 1930
you have there mailcovers.
A typed address really looks smart I think.

mailcovers · **Posted:** Tue Jun 19, 2007 21:41:56 pm

Thanks Stamper ..yeah got it from a postal bid sale ,years back ..from a melbourne Stamp dealer ..could have be Downies in Melbourne...
has got a centre fold ...although it doesn't show up on this scan..
yes the typed address I prefer as well ! :lol:

ozstamps · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 15:05:01 pm

Not an airmail COVER but I just loaded this classic NZ airmail STAMP block 6 MUH onto my rarity page:

http://www.glenstephens.com/rarity.html

mailcovers · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 15:25:34 pm

Nice block of six there Glen !!

Your rarities page is a pleasure to scroll through !!

I have the 7d NZ Airmail O/P stamp on many of my flight covers .. except on one particular cover where the stamp has escaped the post office postmark .... don't know if that would add a lot more value to it though ? :cry:

stamper · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 15:27:26 pm

Oooooh Lufffly Six Pack there Glen :mrgreen:

HILLS · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 16:32:27 pm

I have this one. Never sent cover. Unusual.

Cheers Wayne

mailcovers · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 17:00:06 pm

Nice one Wayne ..think I prefer yours to mine..very clean and fresh ...I remember years ago ..could have been in the early nineties ..I was in NZ aand visited a stamp dealer in the North Island ..we were talking about the NZ flight covers with the overprinted 7d blue air mail stamp ..and he told me at one stage certain collectors were buying the flight covers and soaking the stamps off ..as there was a BIG market it seems at the time to sell the stamp fine used ....what a waste of good flight covers I thought at the time !!

ozstamps · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 17:14:50 pm

Mailcovers my *GUESS* is that way over 50% of the FFC with 7d TT have had the stamps soaked.

The covers are often ratty and foxed and ugly, as they were often given to kids as a souvenir.

As the stamp is worth about $40 fine used, and a ratty cover about half or less, simple maths.

HILLS · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 18:27:26 pm

Mailcovers...Post up your pictures for us to look at.Here's another.I have 5 of these,all with different stamp combos,and all very well travelled.Post away

Cheers
Wayne

HILLS · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 18:47:50 pm

Not really my area,but i just love these old air covers.Here is another with a 1929 Health stamp sent 4 years later.

Enjoy,
Wayne

ozstamps · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 19:08:53 pm

Hills .. you are editing your photobucket images down a size .. just take the image size they give you first up and they will be fine .. and much larger.

mailcovers · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 19:09:04 pm

This was my cover I was talking about ... And Yes Glen you are probably right regarding kids been giving the Flight Covers as keepsakes ... as I've also seen a few shabby and tatty ones along the way !!

mailcovers · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 20:04:30 pm

Another quite nice 1937 NZ FFC

HILLS · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 20:09:01 pm

This time the correct size i hope.Great to see some of those covers coming out.

Cheers
Hills

Lakatoi 4 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 21:37:55 pm

An April 1934 "boomerang" cover to NZ (note the somewhat interesting recipient). It's from the issue limited to 500. Pity about the couple of rust spots, the folds & it's a bit tatty, but I like it anyway. :wink:

stamper · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 21:58:53 pm

Neat cover Lakatoi. Heaps have rust spots but I just
ignore that and appreciate the cover for the overall interest.

Lakatoi 4 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 23, 2007 08:18:30 am

Another boomerang cover from the April 1934 CT.P. Ulm trip:

stamper · **Posted:** Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:44:52 am

A nice Busy cover there Lakatoi.I like that one.
Here's another busy New Zealand 1935 air cover .

HILLS · **Posted:** Sat Jun 23, 2007 15:08:18 pm

Hi stamper.Ditto.

This even has stamps on the reverse also.

Cheers

Wayne

HILLS · **Posted:** Sat Jun 23, 2007 15:17:29 pm

Between 1977 and 1979 Air New Zealand had sightseeing flights aboard a DC10 aircraft to the Antarctic.They came to an abrupt halt in November 1979 when that flight slammed into Mt Erebus with the loss of all 257 passengers and crew.The cause was Whiteout conditions.This cover went a year earlier and made it safely back.
Cheers
Wayne

stamper · **Posted:** Sat Jun 23, 2007 16:44:02 pm

Nice silk cover there hills
That Mt Erebus plane crash was so tragic

On a more joyous note
Here is a NZ 1969 Moon landing celebratory cover.

gavin-h · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2007 02:14:15 am

Stamper,

That's a nice Apollo cover that I haven't seen before.

Is that a common one in NZ?

Gavin

stamper · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:08:14 am

Hi gavin-h
Yes it is a fairly common cover.
I would have got it off 'Terry Hooper Covers' over here in NZ
I see he still has them selling at US$ 7.20 on his web site under the heading (covers)
So not anything rare but New Zealands way of marking the day of splash down in 1969.

gavin-h · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 02:28:48 am

Hi, Stamper,

Thanks for that - could you please either post or email me the link to his website.

I'd like to take a look there - thanks in anticipation, mate

stamper · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 09:41:40 am

Here you are gavin

http://www.newzealandcovers.com/

His is a fun site to look at as each item is pictured
He also displays his own collection as well as items for sale.

Lakatoi 4 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 13:17:10 pm

Nice resource stamper

I will bookmark it right now :!:

gavin-h · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 18:50:27 pm

stamper wrote:

Here you are gavin

http://www.newzealandcovers.com/

His is a fun site to look at as each item is pictured
He also displays his own collection as well as items for sale.

Thanks, Stamper,

Just been in and picked up three Apollo covers there, including a copy of the one you showed.

admin · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 19:00:50 pm

Someonoe should email this thread link to Terry Hopper - he should join!

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.ph ... highlight=

I just looked at an Edmund Hillary signed cover he has at :

http://www.newzealandcovers.com/product-19575.htm

For $A160 .. that I sold 2 months back off my list at $A50. No wonder it vanished fast.

Glen

admin · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 19:05:20 pm

My God .. he SHOULD join up .. he is offering $US35 each for these - many of which I've left in junk boxes as worthless turkeys. What an amazing offer!

http://www.newzealandcovers.com/wanted.asp

Even for things like this!

Glen

stamper · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 19:25:28 pm

The stamps are common but the Cachet could be a rare one.
Maybe you have found a wee pot of gold in that junk box. :wink:

One persons trash is another persons treasure.
I have emailed this great forum link of yours to him.

admin · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 19:36:35 pm

Stamper .. trust me I have a very good memory for cachets.

That one I would have assumed was a few cents untidily addressed like that, on a common issue FDC. I have handled that pretty recenty.

Things like this sell for ~$1,000 on ebay that many overseas dealers would also regard as being worth pennies. All comes down to local knowledge.

http://www.glenstephens.com/snjune03.html

Lakatoi 4 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 20:08:32 pm

Am I alone in thinking that NZ stamps & covers are very expensive in their homeland. Just take a look at the online catalogue from every well known NZ dealer.

Even with the exchange rate, they are really off the planet compared to the prices the same type/quality NZ sell for here. :shock:

Why do I feel some angst is coming my way awfully soon..... :wink:

stamper · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 20:52:34 pm

Yes admin I can just see your brain ticking over with that
" I know I've got that one somewhere" memory recall.

It all comes down to supply and demand.
We demand it and you supply it. :wink:

I take it that $1000 cover is a hard one to come by.
I bet not many people have that one.
Some covers we will just never see such as the 1906
NZ ChCh Exhib Claret on cover rolyj spoke of.

ozstamps · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 21:50:31 pm

Lakatoi for years the larger NZ dealers have managed to get a lot more than the same things sell for outside NZ.

No idea why folks cheerfully paid the price, but they always DID!

With the Kiwi only 10% less than $A right now, I am selling a lot of stuff acorss the ditch. More than ever.

The way I ship them, most recipients dodge the dreaded NZ GST upon arrivals well. :idea:

ozstamps · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 21:54:27 pm

Back to the topic .......

Sold this one a couple months back .. unbelievable to have o/p OS KGV heads on a NZ flight cover .. that otherwise would be worth only 10% of this price!

Amazing use of KGV Head "OS" Officials on First Flight Cover: The April 24 1934 "Faith In Australia" first flight to New Zealand. Eustis Cat #369 - value $40 for ANY cover. This one bears the remarkable franking of FIVE x 1d OS and 1 x 2d KGV heads, all tied by Marrickville NSW cds on April 5. Three different Auckland backstamps of April 12 and 13, also Sydney transit April 5, and superb strike of the violet First Flight handstamp.

Mint KGV head stamps overprinted "OS" were NOT sold to the public at any time, for any reason. (Not to be confused with the 6d Brown "OS" Kingsford Smith which WAS sold to the public. I have some magnificent FFC to UK from 1931, franked with that stamp normal AND alongside overprinted OS - price $100 each.) These KGV heads "OS" were strictly for official use, and use for private purposes was strictly prohibited and unlawful - as you might expect. To see six of them on a FFC is quite a sight.

As an additional bonus, the central 1d stamp at top is dramatically off centred - see my current "Stamp News" article on how this occurred under John Ash's direction -
www.glenstephens.com/sndecember06 - and view the even more striking mint 1d pair I very rapidly sold for $A350 of the 1d green "OS".

A lovely and doubtless unique KGV specialist collector item - $A150

mailcovers · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 23:30:08 pm

Hey ... that Hillary Cover Glen showed reminded of this proud posession ...I could just kick myself now I never bought more of them from Nelson all those years back ( If I had only ?.. here we go again !!) anyway thought you guys would like to see it ... I know it has gone on Ebay for various amounts ..but really I couldn't part with my only one ...

admin · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 00:20:34 am

Mailcovers ... that looks familiar.

Yes it is a beauty. Signed by sherpa Tenzing Norgay as well, and Ted Roberts and Nelson Eustis.

My guess is at least $A200 on today's market.

Glen

mailcovers · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 01:09:12 am

Yes Glen the names on it alone are very interesting :shock:

Sir Edmund Hillary
Tenzing
Captain SS Gill (Helicopter Pilot )
Captain N Buckley ( Patron of the Aust.Air Mail Society )
EW Roberts ( President)
Nelson Eustis ( Secretary )
Vola Eustis ( Passenger )

...I remember you had one advertised some years back in your listings ..although I didn't get this particular one from you ....The envelope too is very interesting ..and looks like it is made from some sort of rice paper ?...I remember Nelson telling me about it in a letter.As far as I can remember ..the cost of the Cover was around $10 way back in 1978-79 :roll:

Lakatoi 4 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 22:57:58 pm

Really nice & historic cover there mailcovers

Though from the Land of the Long White Cloud these are only partially first flight covers. Some idiot back in time cut these from the original covers :cry:

mailcovers · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 23:20:19 pm

Oh Lakatoi 4 ...sad to see someone has done that to those nice flight covers.... :shock:

gavin-h · **Posted:** Fri Jun 29, 2007 00:33:10 am

admin wrote:

Someonoe should email this thread link to Terry Hopper - he should join!

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.ph ... highlight=

When I picked those covers up from him, I pointed him in the direction of the Board. Just had an email from him to say he'll have a good look at the weekend. :wink:

newzealandcovers · **Posted:** Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:42:59 pm

Just joined up - I'm interested in the Hillary cover from mailcovers if you can part with it.


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