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Let's start with some triangular ones:


This one is from Alor Setar (Perlis)


Another one from Alor Setar (Perlis) (but a slightly rounded triangle)


This one is from Bukit Raja (Selangor)



This one is from Ipoh.


Another from Ipoh (Perak) (in red)


This comes from Kota Kinabalu (Sabah)


From Kuala Terengganu (Terengganu)


From Kuantan (Pahang)


A messy one from Taiping (Perak).


A rather tired looking one from Kota Bharu (Kelantan)

These are circular postage due cancellations:


This is from Port Dickson (Negri Sembilan)


This is a lovely crisp cancellation from Kuching (Sarawak)


This came from Miri (Kuching)

Now let's see what else is out there from other countries.

Cheers
Andrew

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Andrew,

It's interesting to see how many different types there are - is every post office responsible for making their own?

Andrew, here's how they did it in Barwani:



The postage was deficient by ¼ Anna (3 Pies), so the cover received the large boxed Hindi cachet BEARING in the top line, and (space to insert amount) ANNA in the bottom line. (This term was used from pre-stamp times in India to indicate mail mail sent unpaid.)

Each PO in Barwani had its own BEARING handstamp - and each of them is practically identical They don't seem to have received much use.

And here's how the British Indian Post Office branches in Barwani, and elsewhere in India in those days, handled it:



This cover was sent from Jodhpur State in Rajasthan to Anjar in Barwani. (Jodhpur never did get around to issuing its own Uglies, sad to say.) From the manuscript marking, it was deficient ½ Anna, so was charged 1 Anna.

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Gavin wrote:



I'm not sure about this but I will ask around. What I observe is that most of the post offices have the triangular shape and they probably all started with more or less the same design. KL and Bukit Raja (the main collecting centre for Selangor) probably have the most traffic and over time probably decided to change the design when the old cancellers saw the end of their lives. Some of these cancellations were done with a steel canceller while the others (KL, Shah Alam and Bukit Raja) appear to be rubber stamped.

It is interesting to note that Penang and Kedah (both in the north eastern part of Peninsular Malaysia) have almost the same design. Kuching and Miri have circular cancellers and I wonder about the other towns in Sarawak.

Well, hope to collect more cancellations from different towns and see what happens. Will add on if there are more varieties.

Cheers
Andrew

Andrew, as I recall (and I'm open to correction by the India specialists), the larger British Indian POs did have these horseshoe Due marks showing specific values - typically 1 Anna, etc. Tiny British Indian post offices like Anjar wouldn't have been able to justify them, and no Barwani State Post Office could have justified such a thing

Do keep up the good work on Postage Dues! Even if none of the Uglies ever found a Postage Due stamp necessary, I still find them very interesting, and it's great to see them doing the work they were intended to do.

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Then your challenge, if you choose to take it up, is to find the earliest evidence on cover of the 50 sen minimum ...

(I can understand Postage Dues mint and used, but off cover, having a rather dim reputation, but seeing them on cover shows them in an entirely new light.)

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Now, Andrew, bear up! It took me 40 years to find this:



my first piece of commercial mail from the village of Pati in Eastern Barwani - apparently a malaria-infested hell-hole in the middle of the jungle, inhabited by a few hundred people, almost all illiterate.

Maybe it will take you 40 years, too, but ...

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Well, I'll only be 102, so I guess I'll have to come to see you. You can show me your 50 sen cover, and I'll show you my first Postage Due cover from Pati

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Here is a Canadian 4 Cent Postage Due.



Here is a closer look



Here is an Excise stamp



My wife found these in a crawl space of a friends fathers home who had passed away. They where in a bag of paper to be shredded. I think it was a good find.

Cheers
Gord

here's an underpaid cover from the USA (October 4) to Bogor, Indonesia in 1958 with Postage Due adhesives applied (December 1)

Postcard from Molong, NSW to Berlin, Germany with postage due cancel

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Tony

Davis Bros. 1922 FFC Brisbane to Charleville but underpaid from Charleville to their Cessnock office by snail mail. Postage due cancel diligently applied and stamp affixed.

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Tony

Tony, A very nice cover. However, the date of the flight according to Eustis was 17th April 1929 although the Brisbane postmark does look like 1922. The Cessnock postmark is 30th April 1929 in line with Eustis.

However, how did the cover get from Charleville to Cessnock without any Cessnock address? Does the reverse have any backstamps (e.g. Charleville 17th April, Brisbane 22nd April) or return address?

The surface rate was 1½d, so 4d paid Brisbane-Charleville-Brisbane (Cessnock?) plus 1d air surcharge?. The postage due was 1d therefore the deficiency was ½d. Not sure how that comes about.

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Davo from Oz

Davo,

Quite right on that date being 1929 (a mid-senior's moment ). On the rear is the third red advertising etiquette of the series of three plus a Charleville backstamp. So it clearly arrived there and was forwarded to what I understand was Davis Bros. head office location in Cessnock. How it was forwarded is only guesswork but it somehow arrived at Cessnock PO as evidenced by the stamp and cancel.

A complete guess on my part but I suppose it could have been bundled up with a lot of other snail mail going to them in Cessnock

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Tony

Basic Air Mail rate from 1 Oct 1923 to 3 Aug 1930 was 4 1/2 d.
1 1/2d basic letter plus 3d air mail fee.

So the postage due works out.

Perhaps one of our members can enlighten me on the rating on these two underpaid small covers that show no evidence of having had excessively heavy enclosures .

Both covers are sent internally from NSW to Australia addresses in October 1983 and franked with 27 cent stamps. One seems to be rated taxed 25 cents while the other 23 cents. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Good work, Andrew! I read your article in the journal.

This is a perfect example of how a modern postal history collection could be formed quite afrordably, relatively speaking.

From the different Tax cancellations, I guessed that various postal zones were given autonomy in the design and choice of cancellers used.

If you ever thought of disposing this collection, please give me an offer!

Davemui. Are the actual posting dates for the two covers later than 3rd October?

Re the first cover, what is the post office name? The tax handstamp is the same as one used at Artarmon in 1982 (recorded in T for Tax). The postage rate changed on the 3rd from 27c to 30c and with a deficiency of 3c postage + 22c fee = 25c payable.

I think the other cover (from Wentworthville) is only 23c because the fee went up from 20c to 22c also on 3rd October and it looks like the postal official incorrectly applied the earlier fee of 20c + 3c = 23c payable. Note that the tax handstamp is an old one with "ozs" instead of grams. Recorded in 1967 & 1982 in "T for Tax".

Davo

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Davo from Oz

Davo -Thanks for the explanation-

Cover #1 is _enwith NSW 2750 in the CDS dated October 26 1983 First letter or two of City name are off the side of the envelope

Cover #2 is cancelled Wentworthville NSW 2145 dated October 20 in the CDS.

Both are franked with 27 cents postage- So it seems that the Wentworth cover was rated incorrectly as underpaid and charged at the old deficiency rate (penalty) by the clerk?

Thanks again - It just seemed odd that they were charged different amounts eventhough on the face of it they should have been charged the same amount. This seems to clear up the matter. Dave-

Andrew, there's a lot coming up in the next Delhaye auction which might interest you

http://www.daviddelhaye.com/en/vente_pu ... /3175.html



Starting price is €70

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Found another from the same auction:



Lot 2266 - starting at €60

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This Swiss one has a nice slogan cancel as well.

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Here's an interesting "postage due" cover from Constantinople. In 1867 Greece had yet to issue postage dues (these would appear in 1875) - so the large Hermes heads were used as dues in addition to paying the regular postage. I'm not sure that this was a common practice any where else.

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Mike
Why do we need perforations? Scissors are cheap!

Here's one from Hollis NY to St.Louis, Missouri, with "Closed against inspection due 5 cents G" mark with the 2 postage dues affixed.

And I thought dentists were very well paid!

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Wolfgang
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Here is a cover I just found, sent from Australia to the USA. This has some very neat handwriting, a nice postmark from Adelaide, some nice postage due hand stamps from New York, and a horrible rip along the bottom from the recipient!

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Cover from GB to Germany. Several markings....

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Here're some of my postage due covers : Top cover - Straits Settlemets postal stationery card to UK; center cover - from Labuan to Singapore & bottom - from North Borneo to Singapore

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Wolfgang
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From Pahang to Penang, Malaysia, taxed 10cent

I was just reminded that I have this one sitting in the Old Oak Chest superannuation fund:



It struck me as pretty cheap to land the Salvation Army, of all people, with postage due

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And then there's this example of robbing Peter to pay Paul, from Jaipur:



The quarry out in Dausa had run out of either stamps or money, but Head Office in Jaipur Town (Sawai Jaipur) had to pay:



The manuscript note on the back reads 'One anna paid for this bearing (= unpaid) cover on 28-6-37 to the Raj post man'.

From the pair of Jaipur postmarks, it looks as if the first attempt to deliver the letter (7:30 AM DEL(iver)Y 27 JUN(e) 37) failed. Presumably, noone at the office wanted to pay the 1 Anna postage due, so the letter went back the next day, when someone did pay up.

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

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Wolfgang
Papua New Guinea stamps and postal history: http://www.i-ng.org

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