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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 19:58:54 pm 
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/unistamps/m.htm ... 7675.l2562

Many members here keep an eye on the Australian stamps on eBay and I often have too many nice items saved in various watch/wish lists in My eBay.

The stamps below are one such item. The seller was unistamps

This is how they were described as item number: 260898930939 in a lot than finished on 28/11/2011.

1928 3d Kookaburra block of 4 in SUPERB CONDITION MUH.

A beautiful block of 4 with no faults or toning.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1928-3d-Kook ... 0898930939

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I collect such things and another lot caught my eye a month later, again offered for sale by unistamps.

Item number: 250955028476

Again described as:

1928 3d Kookaburra block of 4 perf OS in SUPERB CONDITION MUH.

This time he added a scan of the back which showed 2 faint tone spots on the lower stamps and removed the reference to 'no toning'.

It's the same block!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1928-3d-Kook ... 0955028476

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There are two possibilities here. Shill Bidding or the item was returned because of the deceptive description in the first lot. i.e.: A beautiful block of 4 with no faults or toning.

unistamps has been on my radar for some time for various reasons.

What do other members think?

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I started this thread like that to show that everything on eBay isn't what it seems.

Anyone who had a look at the auctions run by unistamps will have seen that they were all private.

Private auctions are generally the hallmark of someone with something to hide. Just like private feedback.

The big problem with that block is that unistamps had sold it before the two occassions in the opening post when it was part of a block of 8. He obviously bought it himself to be in a postion to later perforate it OS. Hence the reference to shill bidding.

Take a close look at the block depicted below. As you can see it was sold by unistamps and was not perforated OS.

Pay particular attention to the block of 4 at the left. I am sure you will agree that it is the same block, but oddly enough there are no holes in it.

What say ye now?

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This forger has been reported to eBay but it appears this sort of activity appears to be fine by eBay as he is not NARU. Carry on like this on Delcampe and you are nuked in an instant.

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That "hanging" perforation at the bottom-right corner is a "smoking gun" if ever I saw one. It would be as good as a fingerprint in a forensic examination. :lol:

Well spotted, Paul 8)

Deception in faking an OS perfin as well as apparent shill bidding. Reminds me of someone else who's been spoken about on here before...


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So soon and here we go again. Sad. :roll: :cry:

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Hopefully the word will get out into the wider stamp community that Stampboards members keeps on busting 'stamp improvers' and other wrongdoers.

If enough people realise that there are over 15 thousand eyes (and counting) policing the hobby for the greater good of us all, maybe the 'fiddlers' will think twice.

I'll write a letter to the editor of the stamp magazine I subscribe to later and point out the good work going on here to clean up the hobby. Maybe others can do the same?

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I believe UNISTAMPS to be a serial forger. I have, personally, reported him (in his various guises) to eBay for no real result. He recently listed a lot of obviously forged OS perfins on NWPI stamps.

I reported them to eBay before they ended, but nothing was done and all sold to unsuspecting collectors. They no doubt thought they were getting a bargain. Just wait till they try to sell the stamps in the future!

eBay claims to care about their members, eBay claims to want to provide a safe environment for their members. However, the reality seems to be that money (as in fees) are far more important than safety.

Why else would they even think of allowing private auctions? It's shill bidders heaven!

eBay hides behind the privacy legislation to claim that they take all reports seriously but cannot advise what action they take (probably because it takes very little!).

eBay claims to have sophisticated matching software to stop those banned from starting up again. If it is so sophisticated, how does a serial forger open account after account? Even when, eventually, eBay acts to close an account down?

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Peter, forgive me if this comment seems naive but is it possible to 'forewarn' buyers by asking the seller a pointed question.

As an example, the seller of the block of 4 1928 kookaburra heads with perforated OS could be asked

'Can you confirm that this block is NOT a block of 4 separated from the block of 8 which you previously advertised?' The Ebay reference numbers should be quoted. A poster mentioned the bottom right perf, but I was drawn to the top left perf as being more indicative that this block of 4 was the left half of the block of 8.

From reading the many topic posts it is clear to me that Ebay is not responsive to complaints regarding forgeries or 're-manufacturing' so a more subtle form of getting the message through to the buyers might be considered.


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Peter, forgive me if this comment seems naive but is it possible to 'forewarn' buyers by asking the seller a pointed question.

As an example, the seller of the block of 4 1928 kookaburra heads with perforated OS could be asked

'Can you confirm that this block is NOT a block of 4 separated from the block of 8 which you previously advertised?' The Ebay reference numbers should be quoted. A poster mentioned the bottom right perf, but I was drawn to the top left perf as being more indicative that this block of 4 was the left half of the block of 8.

From reading the many topic posts it is clear to me that Ebay is not responsive to complaints regarding forgeries or 're-manufacturing' so a more subtle form of getting the message through to the buyers might be considered.

Any dodgy seller would either not respond, or elect to not have the Q&A appear on the page (private Q&A on a listing is also a feature of the eBay system, in addition to the other privacy features)

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The seller doesn't have to show the question on the lot, as far as I am aware. In any event, he has me blocked. the reason he has me blocked (so I cannot bid on his lots, or even ask a question) is due to my buying the following item.

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A genuine Perf OS Die II 1d Green is a very scarce item.

This is what it looked like before the forger got to work.

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I knew this to be a forgery when I bought it, wanting to use it as the basis of complaints etc. I made a claim through PayPal and was advised I could only get a refund if I returned it unmarked. I pointed out that I would be complicit in selling a forged stamp if I returned it (I had provided the before and after pictures). PayPal refused a refund if I didn't return it unmarked. eBay didn't care one jot, despite their 'strict' rules regarding forgeries and how they are supposed to be marked!

Long story short, I did not return it.

The simple moral of the story is, never buy anything on eBay that is really worth anything much, unless you have the knowledge and expertise to know what you are doing. Most buyers do not. How many would have picked the forged OS on the 3d Kookas that Paul shows in the OP? Not many!

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Another favorite trick of the unscrupulous is to change ones eBay ID every now and then.

In his short life on eBay unistamps has had 3 I.D.'s

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Honest sellers build aa reputation stand by their name.

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Peter, even to a small hobby collector like myself I can see what you are pointing out. It truly does disgust me that unscrupulous people like this "unistamps" continually, and deliberately do these actions.

If it wasn't for the knowledge that I have obtained since my time on Stampboards, I quite possibly could have been in the bidding for one of his stamps.

There is probably no way that a small time hobbyist like myself would even start to smell a rat if I was looking for a stamp such as this and was thinking of purchasing it.

We all like to think we can pick up a bargain.

While a lot of us don't like to admit it too openly - Yes, some of us do at times look to Ebay and other places like that to try and save a few dollars, especially on the lower price items.

For me personally, this means stamps under $100.00.

Anything over that I would not take the chance. I go to a dealer or someone I know I can trust. However I do know of people that will spend hundreds of dollars on Ebay and the like.

I am proud of my small collection and it really would shock me to think that I could possibly, unknowingly, have a counterfeit stamp in my collection.

My question is this - If Ebay won't do anything about people like this after being shown proof; Is it possible to take it to the Fraud Squad (police) ?

Or, is it too small time for the police to investigate?

What this person and others like them are doing is deliberate, predetermined counterfeiting and fraudulant.

These lowlifes are deliberately ripping people off to make easy money for themselves.

They couldn't give a stuff about other peoples feelings.

The heartbreak and pain, when 10 or 20 years down the track, the purchasers of their useless stamps find out the collections they thought were worth at the very least a few thousand dollars - are pretty well worthless.

They deserve to be caught and punished by the Law enforcement agencies.

I had better stop now, I am beginning to get a bit worked up and ranting on - sorry.

Thank you for what you and others like you are doing. I appreciate it.

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I could not get any direct interest from the police or the ACCC. To be fair, the ACCC did ring me in response to my compliant and explained they did not cover this sort of activity. For the police it is simply too small. Hopefully, if enough complain about the same person then they might, eventually, take action.

The biggest problem is, of course, being able to name the actual criminal. He uses aliases. I believe I know who he is, but that is not absolute proof.

No, the best equipped to deal with this is eBay, but they simply refuse to use all these "sophisticated tools" they claim to have to stop him in his tracks. But he has sold tens of thousands of dollars of fakes over the last few years via eBay, making them a lot of money (added to which they are getting PayPal fees as well). One would ask whether eBay truly has any interest in stopping his activities!

One other avenue, I suppose, is to take it to one of those euphemistically names "Current Affairs" shows on TV. Might make a nice change from the car dealers who rip people off, et al. :?

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It is not a case where too small to investigate should apply, after all he has done it before and will obviously continue, making it a potential large scale offence.

Police are too lazy to do the hard yards on something that is not a headline grabber.

Ebay is complicit in this "unistamps" person's forgeries. They have been told and seem to refuse to do anything.

To me this seems like a reasonably clear case of aiding and abetting or knowingly concerned in the commission of a crime, both of which are crimes in themselves. Never mind the offence of accessory after the fact.

As I said Lazy Police. As well as Ebay engaged in criminal activity?

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Lazy police? :shock:

Not really. With all the recent budget cuts, everything is being cut back on, including police labour costs. So heaps less police are now working.

So I don't really think the police have the time and effort to go chasing a seller who sold $100 worth of dodgy stamps on eBay - I imagine they have better things to do, bigger crimes to solve.

I agree it's bad for our hobby, but I doubt any police will show much interest in this as a crime.

And police aren't really going to do anything about shill bidding. :lol: ebay don't even care, because it makes them money.


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The police are certainly not, as an organisational group, lazy. To investigate and prosecute requires a great deal of work to collect the evidence. With limited resources they have to prioritise.

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And as we found with the other recent case. If the victim of the alleged fraud is not willing to file a complaint, it makes things pretty difficult.

That is why these forgers prosper and proliferate.

As has been said before the best organisation to cut this forger off at thee knees before he defrauds hundreds of hapless purchasers is eBaY

They have been offered incontrovertible proof of the forgery carried out by unistamps under various active identities and he has been allowed to continue trading on eBay under all these eBay identities.

One has to wonder what eBay is more concerned with? Dollars or reputation?

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aussie_robbo60 recently asked some questions regarding some KGV N.W.P.I. stamps perforated OS that were offered by unistamps. These are generally stamps worth a few dollars non perf OS but can be worth hundreds perforated OS.

In light of his perfing ability, what's your guess?

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=33915


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Hi Team.

I am no guru when it comes to NWPI over printed Roos or KGV's and even less so when it comes to Perf O/S ones I can pick the obvious yet these have me a little miffed.

I light of the goings on of Blueowl I am somewhat gun shy and would like to show anyone that's interested the following stamps that are at auction and ending this week.

The seller has a 100% rating and sales of +700 his stock this week looks nice yet he is heavy on O/P's in NWPI, Aussie and Aussie states and all at low start prices of around $19.00 plus the normal dodgy indicator ( private listing ).

My question " are they the real deal "


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For those above, and those reading who wish to report this seller "unistamps", and his many aliases like the other current forger seller "nsb13579", to ebay, it is now dead simple to do.

The more that complain, that faster the "unistamps" and "nsb13579" IDs will be on the banned list - joining the other dozens of accounts of his that ebay have banned.

20 or so complaints will do the job. If you buy and sell on ebay you really need to take 10 minutes to do this to clean up the ebay landscape as this "unistamps" guy is a serial faker.

If most read this and mutter 'it really is bad" and do nothing, he gets away with ruining the stamp market. AND devaluing the worth of your genuine stamps.

First each lot on ebay has "report item" tab on them at right - take 10 minutes report all lots you see from this seller that have forged OS perfins, and forged OS overprints. There are many. He generally cancels all lots for sale when his faking gets publicity, but the ebay report link always works. :mrgreen:

Then doing that send a message in via the link below re "unistamps" and "nsb13579" - there are VERY clear rules ebay NOW have, re selling stamp forgeries KNOWN to be forged, which say:

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http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-stamps.html

Selling of Stamps

eBay does not permit the sale of stamps that are fraudulent or improperly described. Sellers who knowingly fail to disclose information about the authenticity of a stamp, alterations to the stamp, or other information that might have a material impact on the stamp's value may be reported to the American Philatelic Society.

If the stamp is a forgery, fake, reproduction or facsimile:

it must be clearly and indelibly marked as such

a clear image of this mark must be included

it must be clearly stated in the title and/or description

If unsure of the origin or authenticity of the stamp, please state this clearly in the listing. Do not sell an item "As Is" regarding its authenticity.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation

Limits on account privileges

Account suspension

Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings

Loss of PowerSeller status


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As well as this similar but different worded rule

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http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/currstamps.html

Counterfeit Currency and Stamps

All forged stamps, facsimiles, and reproductions may be listed but need to be clearly and indelibly marked as such on either the front or back of the stamp. See "Additional Information" for more details.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation

Limits on account privileges

Account suspension

Forfeit of ebay fees on cancelled listings

Loss of PowerSeller status

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Any seller on ebay listing stamps or overprints or perfins that are forged must indelibly mark them thus on front and/or back.

Offering them without such markings can see the sellers removed in hours, if reported citing the above two VERY clear ebay policies.

Mention these two rules when you report them, and the ebay staffer can cancel accounts on the spot, citing these great new rules.

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As noted by others - ebay now have set up a fast new portal JUST to report suspected sellers of forged stamps at - http://www.tinyurl.com/ebayfakes - also found at - http://www.ebay.com/scw- there is space for 10,000 characters in your reply, so all the relevant info can be added. Unlike most ebay complaint forms that allow 100 characters etc. :twisted:
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The seller doesn't have to show the question on the lot, as far as I am aware. In any event, he has me blocked. the reason he has me blocked (so I cannot bid on his lots, or even ask a question) is due to my buying the following item.

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A genuine Perf OS Die II 1d Green is a very scarce item.

This is what it looked like before the forger got to work.

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I knew this to be a forgery when I bought it, wanting to use it as the basis of complaints etc. I made a claim through PayPal and was advised I could only get a refund if I returned it unmarked. I pointed out that I would be complicit in selling a forged stamp if I returned it (I had provided the before and after pictures). PayPal refused a refund if I didn't return it unmarked. eBay didn't care one jot, despite their 'strict' rules regarding forgeries and how they are supposed to be marked!

Long story short, I did not return it.

The simple moral of the story is, never buy anything on eBay that is really worth anything much, unless you have the knowledge and expertise to know what you are doing. Most buyers do not. How many would have picked the forged OS on the 3d Kookas that Paul shows in the OP? Not many!


unistamps has another 1d KGV No Watermark for sale at the moment. Anyone care to bid? :lol:

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Just for the uninitiated, perf OS on the No WMK GV heads are very scarce. Knowing the source I am happy to put my house on it being another fake. The 1d No WMK is a very cheap stamp mint (without the OS).

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In Australia the dodgy seller ALWAYS uses “private auctions†to offer his material. Via the 40 or 50 accounts that ebay have already closed down.

No kosher seller needs to do that. As legitimate stamp sellers have nothing to hide.

Only a fool would bid on ebay “private auctions†for stamps here, but sadly there are many gullible buyers on ebay.

The forger always runs “private auctionsâ€, as he knows that the Bunny Buyers of the fakes cannot be EASILY contacted - to be alerted they bought obvious forgeries, and to consider mailing them back for full refunds.

However luckily, it is possible to see all the buyers from this forger "unistamps" –

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=unistamps

Seeing most buyers there will have bought "unistamps" fakes, if you see anyone in that buyer feedback list above you know from past transactions, or wish to contact via the usual ebay contact methods, to politely suggest they might like to read this thread, it has the same effect.

“Pardon my intrusion, but just thought you may like to read this discussion below, seeing you are a recent buyer from a seller suspected of offering numerous stamp forgeries - http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34464 – please do not mention my name, I was just concerned you may be owning less than genuine material, or at least have it Expertised. There is still time to return for refund if you so choose. Sorry again for bothering you†type message etc.

MANY will look into it further. I certainly would, if so contacted and I read this thread, and had purchased OS perfins or overprints etc. If they get 5 or 10 such messages they will really look into it.

This seller each year offers 100s of ebay lots of forged perfs, forged overprints, and often forged cancels. All of which are worth far more than the original stamps.

With a bit of “people power†creating a stream of refunds, "unistamps" will soon tire of selling forged fakes, and do something else.

The value of all our genuine stamps goes down when this guy sells 100s of lots a year of fakes.


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I just checked unistamps seller history on goofbay:

http://www.goofbay.com/

Over the last 120 days this seller has sold no less than 8 mint Kingsford Smith 2d stamps with OS overprints.

Looks like around 50% of his total sales are perfins or overprints.

Perfins are still selling for good prices even despite the recent attention regarding forgeries in this area. :shock:


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I just checked unistamps seller history on goofbay:

http://www.goofbay.com/

Over the last 120 days this seller has sold no less than 8 mint Kingsford Smith 2d stamps with OS overprints.

:shock:

You are stealing my thunder. (But go right ahead) I have 10 mint OS Kingsford Smiths sold by unistamps in the last 90 days on my screen at the moment. I was going to put them all together with the sales by nsb13579 and you will see that these two ebay sellers appear to have cornered the worlds supply of mint OS Kingsford Smiths.

Only 28,000 of each value were oveprinted OS and many/most were cancelled to order or actually used for the intended purpose.

I just don't think they could be that lucky, especially when you consider they are selling them at bargain giveaway prices.

The other thread is here viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34487

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Hi,

I am astounded ebay will not NARU him!!

I hate to think how many fine examples he has ruined for quick $$$. (That was a very nice block of 8 and part of our collective cultural heritage.)

Some ebay buyers may google the name of the seller ?

The google bots seem to provide some comfort.

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Thanks Peter.

I am a trifle confused. I seem to recall from another thread that Feebay/Preypal required a violin to be trashed rather than returned to the seller.

As to the legal situation perhaps our resident legal person could comment on how Ebay/Paypal avoid being branded as accomplices to fraud if they are advised of the situation but continue to allow the same seller to operate his/her scams using multiple ID's.


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Very well spotted Paul :!: Pretty undeniable before and after photos!


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Well the cockroaches have seen the bright light of exposure, and ran for cover - with 2 of their current active accounts selling mostly fakes - unistamps and nsb13579 going to ground and cancelling all current auctions today -

http://myworld.ebay.com.au/unistamps/

http://myworld.ebay.com.au/nsb13579

He has removed all the dodgy material on current sale and hidden their feedback totally - it was about 800 for "unistamps"

Hopefully others will have saved examples of some of the material?

All reports placed of past forgeries sold and not marked thus, will of course still be seen by ebay staff.

The feedback was all removed from view of course so that the unfortunate buyers of forged material could not be contacted as per suggestion above.

The fact the feedback has been rapidly removed after the faking was exposed here shows he is petrified of that occurring, and handing back $1000s for the fakes via paypal dispute process etc.

However all feedback names of buyers may well be visible via http://www.goofbay.com ?

If anyone is good with spreadsheets etc they might be able to extract them and share here?


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This seems as good a time to post up those OS Kingsford Smith images. These lots were found on a 90 day search on Goofbay. Now he's been a member since June 2011, so there is a potential to double these figures.

Many of the images may appear to be the same. That is because they are the same. unistamps would make second chance offers to the underbidders and they would happily but naively snap up a bargain.

I doubt if Glen or any major dealer would have a lazy 3 sets of mint light hinged OS Kingsford Smiths lying around.

If any of his hapless customers who bought these from unistamps they should take them to Chris CEREMUGA or somewhere like the Royal Philatelic Society, BPA, Philas etc and have them properly appraised.

I am sure they will receive bad news and now that he has cut and run will have nowhere to go. They can complain to eBay (Who have been warned numerous time about unistamps) but they will merely say it is not our problem. Nice one eBay.

Anyway, here they are in several posts.

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The lucky second chance.

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The two Second Chance offers that were eagerly snapped up.

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Now a plate block of 4 of these in my OLD ACSC is $1,250, so our buyer will be pretty happy with his purchase until he tries to sell it.

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Some more Second Chancing.

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Feedback you ask. That's not so hard and these people probably purchased OS Kingsford Smiths.

1952listers http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAP ... 253&page=2

niloc-1953 http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAP ... llFeedback

james1244 http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... ackAsBuyer

hairbear88 http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... ackAsBuyer

bldsdamsam http://feedback.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAP ... ackAsBuyer

gra.001 http://feedback.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... llFeedback

atho2142 http://feedback.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... =15&page=2

jezza0362 http://feedback.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... g=5&page=2

neilb6604 http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAP ... g=4&page=2

If they did purchase OS Kingsford Smiths or anything perforated OS, they should seek professional evaluation.

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If I was gra.001 I would be very worried.

He has made a couple of purchases from nsb13579 and unistamps recently.

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OK. Don't shoot me down for this question, but how can one tell that an OS perf is a fake?

The examples in this post are obvious because there are before and after pictures showing it was done (good detective work by those involved). But how can you tell by just looking at a single picture of an OS perf?

Is it positioning? Is it the fact there weren't many? Is it the size of the perf? In the above examples, what should give it away to me without the comparison pictures?

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All is revealed on this thread: http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14939

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Chris (The Pom) has provided some images on another thread of genuine oveprints.

The two in the box at centre bottom are fakes and were included to show the differences to the subjecct at hand.

'OS' Kingsford-Smith. Genuine? Yes or No

What do you think of those sold by nsb13579 and unistamps?

Link to the nsb13579 thread: http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34487

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TheBear wrote:
OK. Don't shoot me down for this question, but how can one tell that an OS perf is a fake?

The examples in this post are obvious because there are before and after pictures showing it was done (good detective work by those involved). But how can you tell by just looking at a single picture of an OS perf?

Is it positioning? Is it the fact there weren't many? Is it the size of the perf? In the above examples, what should give it away to me without the comparison pictures?

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It is extremely difficult to identify a forged OS perfin. Better not to go into details, less the crooks improve their technique.

Work on the assumption that, if it is on eBay and a stamp is much more valuable perf OS than normal, then it is more likely than not to be a forgery. You won't often be wrong!

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TheBear wrote:
OK. Don't shoot me down for this question, but how can one tell that an OS perf is a fake?

The examples in this post are obvious because there are before and after pictures showing it was done (good detective work by those involved). But how can you tell by just looking at a single picture of an OS perf?

Is it positioning? Is it the fact there weren't many? Is it the size of the perf? In the above examples, what should give it away to me without the comparison pictures?

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This is certainly not a stupid question :)

Unfortunately, a lot of the recent forgeries have been very good. It has been mentioned in other threads that some members here with a background in metal-working, machining, die manufacture etc. could easily make a hole-punch that would produce a damn convincing OS puncture.

I guess a lot of us have skills from our day-to-day jobs that could be turned to evil, but we keep away from The Dark Side :twisted:

Possibly the best that we can hope for in the future is that any stamp with an OS perfin, at a maximum, will be worth about the same a normal stamp, and no more. Paying premiums for them will be seen as madness, even for the rare ones like the 1d and 1½d KGV no watermarks and the 2½d Kangaroo 1st watermark.


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Unistamps has terminated all of his Ebay auctions and has nothing up for sale at the moment.

We'll have to keep an eye out for when he floats to the surface again.


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Look at the bright side. Hang onto your non- perfed or overprinted O.S. stamps. They're getter scarcer by the day.

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And the story continues......

Have a look at this item sold by nsb13579.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1928-3d-Blue-Engraved-Kookaburra-pair-perforated-OS-SUPERB-MNH-/330672007668

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It is the top pair from the block at the start of this thread (perfs/centering are identical and same perf OS).

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Plus, this item is the lower left stamp sold by unistamps (perfs/centering are identical and same perf OS).

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1928-3d-Kookaburra-perf-OS-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-MUH-/260930759093

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What is going on? :?


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What is going on? :?


What is going on? Simple - as you have proven beyond doubt "unistamps" and "nsb13579" are the same person and are both clearly selling forged OS perfins.

Have you have reported both to ebay, as per above report link for selling forgeries and alerted recent buyers from both, of this discussion link to take a look at so they can mail their fakes back to get a refund before the ebay time limit expires? -

http://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34464

More totally deliberate fakes from this forger discussed here -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34570


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Does anyone know the name of the person?

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traralgon3844 wrote:
...Carry on like this on Delcampe and you are nuked in an instant...


Exactly ... I can confirm I closed myself the account of a seller, Gold Member, with 3,000+ feedbacks... because a case like that has been discovered. He bought a banknote on eBay, and shortly after, this banknote was on sale on Delcampe with an overprint :x

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It's quite a pity that from this:

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... they ended up like this: :cry:

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Not to mention criminal, in every sense of the word! :twisted:

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Does anyone know the name of the person?

David B.


I may be mistaken, and if I am, I will no doubt be told. So I apologise in advance if I misunderstood the inference from the post.

I think a previous poster to this thread actually purchased an item and received it from this seller.

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Not again!

Current sale on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1928-3d-KOOKABURRA-PAIR-PERFED-OS-MUH-/270913914190
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This is a match to this pair sold by nsb13579 on 19th Jan. Posted earlier (Identical perfs, centering & perf OS)
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Which was half of a block of 4 Perf OS, which was half of a block of 8 without Perf OS.

Unfortunately I cannot ask a question or report an item as I do not have a login ID for ebay.


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Not again!

Current sale on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1928-3d-KOOKABURRA-PAIR-PERFED-OS-MUH-/270913914190
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This is a match to this pair sold by nsb13579 on 19th Jan. Posted earlier (Identical perfs, centering & perf OS)
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Which was half of a block of 4 Perf OS, which was half of a block of 8 without Perf OS.

Unfortunately I cannot ask a question or report an item as I do not have a login ID for ebay.


A quick look at his feedback shows he has dealings with gottacute as well as nsb13579.

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Is ebay seller Stamps_fishing another alias of nsb13579 and Unistamps???

http://myworld.ebay.com.au/stamps_fishing



Yes it is clear that -

stamps_fishing, nsb13579, unistamps are one and the same account.

Each are shill bidding on, and often re-selling, each other's forged and/or regummed lots etc, when the prices do not get high enough.

All that breaks so many ebay rules I have lost track.

All run "Private" auctions, that only the biggest BUNNY would ever bid on re stamps, and the latter 2 have now gone to 100% Private FEEDBACK even, so you cannot even see recent bidder IDs in feedback.

Get those reports in to ebay - 10 or 20 of them, and the 3 accounts hopefully are all wiped, saving real collectors and sellers having their legitimate stamps devalued by these fakers.

ebay now have set up a portal JUST to report suspected sellers of forged stamps and forged perfins and regumming at - http://www.ebay.com/scw - there is space for 10,000 characters in your reply, so all the relevant info can be added - like their linked accounts, also selling fakes.

Also every active lot has a "Report Item" tab that you can click on as well. Do both and hopefully the TRIFECTA will occur and all 3 are wiped forever joining the other 50 accounts ebay have banned of these forgers.


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