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Opened up the first of the late Jim Brodie's "Cinderellas & Seals" boxes with some trepidation - expecting that yet more of my spare time would get swallowed up in tracking down info on, scanning and posting, interesting looking items.

Not disappointed, so I thought a thread on just the Australian ones spotted so far would be worth it. Other countries will undoubtedly follow.

Lady Gowrie Red Cross - common enough I think but the one of the right is definitely odd - very faint printing of the black, and the red is right shifted making a nice variety.

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Lieut J.H. Bisdee - 1st Australian to win the V.C.

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"Colonel John Hutton Bisdee VC OBE, Tasmanian Imperial Bushmen and Australian Light Horse, ANZAC Provost Corps, who was awarded the Victoria Cross on 1 September 1900 near Warm Bad, Transvaal.

He was a member of an advance scouting party who were fired on by the enemy, killing six of the party of eight. Trooper (Tpr) Bisdee dismounted his horse and placed a wounded officer in the saddle, running alongside until they were out of range of the enemy, where he remounted the horse and rode to safety.

Tpr Bisdee later served in the First World War, obtaining the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. He was created an officer of the Order of the British Empire (Military) and was Mentioned in Despatches. He died on 14 January 1930."


Advertising Cinderellas from the Citizens' Life Assurance who awarded him a pension of 52 pounds per year.

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Very similar to the more common Lady Gowrie items, a pair for the Duchess of Gloucester's Red Cross Appeal.

Are there more colours?

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Were they contemporary appeals, or did the Ladies agree to cover different time periods or regions each???


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Very nice Lady Gowries, the one on the left with the part selvedge is nice,
the one on the right is, surprisingly, fairly common,as these were printed with not a lot a "Quality Control" as they were only a Charity issue,
A normal Lady Gowrie would sell for $1.00+
with the selvedge x2
with the error x 4

these are just rough estimates,and I have seen them sell for much more to people who have more money than sense, :lol: :lol:

The Bisdee,s I have never seen so the brains trust will need to come on board here,

The Gloucester appeal I think is in 5 colours,but will check with Harry tomorrow, :?:

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Some of the colourful Australia 150th Anniversary poster stamps from 1938.

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Lieut J.H. Bisdee - 1st Australian to win the V.C.

From http://www.diggerhistory.info

"Colonel John Hutton Bisdee VC OBE, Tasmanian Imperial Bushmen and Australian Light Horse, ANZAC Provost Corps, who was awarded the Victoria Cross on 1 September 1900 near Warm Bad, Transvaal.

He was a member of an advance scouting party who were fired on by the enemy, killing six of the party of eight. Trooper (Tpr) Bisdee dismounted his horse and placed a wounded officer in the saddle, running alongside until they were out of range of the enemy, where he remounted the horse and rode to safety.

Tpr Bisdee later served in the First World War, obtaining the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. He was created an officer of the Order of the British Empire (Military) and was Mentioned in Despatches. He died on 14 January 1930."


Advertising Cinderellas from the Citizens' Life Assurance who awarded him a pension of 52 pounds per year.

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Any idea of the year of issue?


According to Google John Bisdee won his VC in action in South Africa,making it the Boar War,
in 1900.so the cinderella would be about the same time I guess.

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Anything VC related is RED HOT.

The Bisdee pair would easily be $100+ as a pair.

If listed here at $100 I feel sure they'd sell - condition irrelevant.

I found one (the brown one IIRC) decades back and sent it to Bill Hornadge, who as I recall wrote it up in Stamp News.

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The brown Bisdee stamp is not common and I have never seen the other stamp before. Both are listed in Jackson's book WWI Patriotic Labels. They are noted as having been issued before the First World War, but no date is given.
I can't add anything else except to agree with the suggested value.


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Famous Pals & Herald labels. Not often seen over here in NZ though - a first for me.

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Not really Australia - Czechoslovakian in fact, but terrific OZ topic.


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Dingo in Czech, but I believe you Aussies call them "Deengos", no?


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I found one (the brown one IIRC) decades back and sent it to Bill Hornadge, who as I recall wrote it up in Stamp News.



My Cinderellas Australasia Index to Stamp News' Cinderella Corner 1977-2000 fails to mention this - are you sure Bill covered it?

The New Zealand Cinderellas Catalogue (2002) edited by Dave Heslop has proved to be a boon for our local items, I hope they get an updated one out soon. Why can't you Aussies get a similar publication off the ground??


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Famous Pals & Herald labels. Not often seen over here in NZ though - a first for me.

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Also 3 figure items each.


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Why can't you Aussies get a similar publication off the ground??


Talk to pres. :lol:


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I produced an Index to Cinderlla Corner 1977 to 2000 after Bill retired, and very few people showed any interest in it so I didn't proceed any further with it. I still have it as an electronic document and I have been keeping an index of the column since I took over.

Bill made a note of the stamp in the Feb 1978 column, page 98. He asked for further information but I don't think he got any replies as I only have that one reference. The red stamp has not been noted in the column at all.


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Not really Australia - Czechoslovakian in fact, but terrific OZ topic.


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Dingo in Czech, but I believe you Aussies call them "Deengos", no?


That one is terrific !
There are very few stamps with Dingos on them in total (only 3 or 4 that I have seen)

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This Adelaide one from 1936 looks like it was used as inspiration for the 1937-8 "Come to Riverton" (near Invercargill, NZ) item.

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I don't have one, this image from the cover of the NZ Cinderellas Catalogue, 2002.
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This is a label for the 1937 Motor Show in Melbourne. I understand there was one also for the 1936 Motor Show.
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Not really Australia - Czechoslovakian in fact, but terrific OZ topic.


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Dingo in Czech, but I believe you Aussies call them "Deengos", no?


No, I say "dingo" but a neighbour we had in Auckland greets us
as his friends from Seedney. Accents do change around Australia as in NZ.

I intend to dig out my cinderellas now.

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Now for something completely different, as they say.

Are these Australia's earliest Cinderellas?

From editions of the Federal Australian Philatelist, these photo stamps by the Anson Bros seem to have escaped the notice of Google at least. I'm assuming that some Aussies can supply more detail.

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V2(5) 1891

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Close-up - but who is the gent?
The text below him reads "Patd July 12 1887"

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V1(4) Oct 1890.
And who is the lady?

There's lots on the Anson Bros (they seem like an Australian edition of NZ's Muir & Moodie) but I could find no reference to the stamps.
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Are these Australia's earliest Cinderellas?

There are earlier Tasmanian cinderellas than the Anson types pictured above.

Probably the earliest recorded is this item dating from the 1850s. There are
several examples known but this is the only one that indicates an application
for which these labels were used (i.e. on the lid of a pill box). John Wilkinson ran a
pharmacy in Elizabeth Street, Hobart.
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A great deal of information about Wilkinson and his pharmacy can be read at
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The label on pill box lid was sold by Tasmanian Stamp Auctions in November 2008 for AU$220.

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Adam this link shows the exact same booklet of Melbourne Views

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11423&p=459530&hilit=grand+hotel+melbourne#p459530


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Very similar to the more common Lady Gowrie items, a pair for the Duchess of Gloucester's Red Cross Appeal.
Are there more colours?
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Were they contemporary appeals, or did the Ladies agree to cover different time periods or regions each???


yes, there are .......
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This little bit of information that should sort out the "Two Ladies Question". :)
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V2(5) 1891

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Close-up - but who is the gent?
The text below him reads "Patd July 12 1887"




What - no one knows anything?? I don't believe it :?


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I'm working on it but after nearly 120 years, the trail is a bit "cold".

At least I've informed you that they aren't Australia's earliest cinderellas. :)

Can anyone confirm that the advertisement is from a copy of the Federal Australian Philatelist and if so, which one?
A scan of the other side of the page may be of assistance.
I have consulted two bound complete editions but unfortunately the advertising pages have been removed by the bookbinder.

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Pat-D July 1887, is the Patent date

Found another example online, but no other info... :(
http://www.drexelantiques.com/after6000 ... stamps.jpg
http://www.drexelantiques.com/photographs.html

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Good find!

There is no reason to assume of course that Anson actually produced the "fairy photographs" used on the advertisement.

They may have been provided by the manufacturer of the photographic stock/equipment for such publicity purposes.

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From the Mercury Tues Nov 1890

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The Mercury (Hobart) 2 Aug 1890

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Here's the back of the "Man" one.

The front and back of the "Lady" one are the same as the "Man".

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Anson's were portrait photographers, so it would make sense for them to have the equipment to develop a step&repeat negative sheet to be developed. Someone else I suppose would have then performed the gumming and perforation.

This interesting news item from http://tasmanianphotographer.blogspot.com/2009/02/trial-of-joshua-anson.html

The trial of Joshua Anson
The Anson brothers photographers, and there were only two - Joshua, who called himself John once paroled from prison on January 12, 1879, and his brother Henry who died in 1890 (the third brother Richard, b. 1851 died in infancy) - bought Samuel Clifford's studio and stock in 1878. Included in that purchase were photographs, negatives, cartes and stereographs by Clifford & Nevin taken and printed during their partnership which began in the 1860s and lasted beyond 1876 when Nevin transferred the "interest" in his commercial negatives to Clifford (The Mercury, January 17th, 1876). John Watt Beattie joined the Anson brothers in 1890, buying them out in 1892, and reprinting many of the stock he had acquired through the purchase without due attribution.

Henry Hall Baily, the victim of Joshua Anson's theft, was a colleague and close friend of Thomas Nevin. Their respective studios in the 1860s were located opposite each other in Elizabeth St. Hobart Town. Baily and his wife were in Nevin's company that fateful night in December 1880 when Nevin was detained by Detective Connor on suspicion of acting in concert with the "ghost". The Chief Justice in Joshua Anson's case was Sir Francis Villeneuve Smith, who was photographed about this same time holding a carte-de-visite. The photograph was later reprinted by Beattie, and although the original is unattributed, it can safely be assumed from the Justice's ascerbic comments on Anson's character in the course of hearing the case on July 11, 1877, that Joshua Anson was certainly NOT the photographer.


Given copyright, I wonder if the picture is of one of the brothers themselves, and the lady one of their wives. Although only Henry would have been alive at the time of the second ad. It would make sense for advertising purposes.

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another snippet from the newspaper
The Mercury (Hobart) 2 Dec 1889

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According to their advertising, in the snippets posted above, Ansons was the only place to get Stamp Portraits in Australia.

There are some examples in a link I posted above.

I also have one, but with different wording around it. I will try to find it but I may have already sold it in a bunch of cinderellas I let go last year.

I may still have the photo in photobucket.... will post if I find it.

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Given copyright, I wonder if the picture is of one of the brothers themselves, and the lady one of their wives. Although only Henry would have been alive at the time of the second ad. It would make sense for advertising purposes.


I think you might be right
He has a strap around his neck and may be holding a camera ?

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The Anson ad only appeared once in the life of the FAP that I can see and that was either at the end of the October 1890 issue or the front of the January 1891 issue. I can't tell because mine is bound with the covers removed, but the ads left intact. (I think it is probably the latter).

My copy has a different male in the photograph but the copy is too poor to reproduce.


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This nice thread needs a bump.

A 1908 Australian cinderella

Agency / for / K / Boots / and / Shoes. 17x35mm, perf 14.

Used on a Launceston invoice, June 30 1908, so a nice early one. Anyone seen it before?

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I haven't seen this cinderella used in Tasmania before.

"K" boots and shoes were manufactured in the U.K. and I would assume that this cinderella is of British rather than Australian origin. There is always the possibility of course that they may have been produced by the Australian distributor of the footwear.

For a history of "K" Boots & Shoes follow this link: http://www.cumbria-industries.org.uk/kshoes.htm

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Never seen that K Boot one before. A lovely item. :)

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may i know what is meant by cinderellas stamp?


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may i know what is meant by cinderellas stamp?

Cinderellas are labels made to look like stamps but are not used for postage. They may be for advertising, to celebrate an event, and so forth.

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Number 398 Chapel St is near the municipal boundary between South Yarra and Prahran ... so that could be it.

I think South Yarra is a better possibility for the S.Y. than Sydney because of the periods Sydney would be SY or SY.

Edit: Someone pinched half the thread while I was posting. :shock:

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Here are some 6d War Savings Stamps from WWII, anyone have any other values in these or were they all 6d?

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There is also a 5 shilling stamp from the WWII period. The 6d is not rare, but the 5 shilling one is a large stamp that shows a tank and artillery and is not common.

The details of them are in Bill Hornadge's book Cinderella Stamps of Australasia at page 32.


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Here is the 5/- taken from "Any idea on the value of the Aust. KGV War Savings Stamps?"

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4367


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Anson Brothers, I found out something on these the other day.
Anson H. J.
Anson & Francis, Adelaide Photgraphic Institute,
45 Rundle St, Adelaide ,. South Australia 1863
97 Rundle St, Adelaide, 1863 to 1868
later of Gympie in Qld 1868, but also
Anson Brothers, Henry Joseph Anson, Joshua Anson & Richard Edwin Anson of 132 Liverrpool Street, Hobart, Tasmania, 1878 to 1888;
129 Collins St, Hobart, 1880
36 Elizabeth St, Hobart, 1880 to 1887
52 Elizabeth St, Hobart, 1887 to 1891
Studio sold to J. W. Beattie but continued trading
129 Collins St, Hobart 1894 to 1899.
The advertisement refers to the address " Wellington Bridge"?? and to the "other colonies", so presumably before Federation. Do not blame me if this is incorrect ., Sandy Barrie "Australians Behind the Camera; A Directory of Australian Photographers 1841 - 1945"


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Nice MUH example of a PALS Air Mail label.

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Herald Air Mail label used on piece.

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Sydney and a modern Australian communication system cunningly disguised as the 1959 ANPEX.

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Nice items

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Interesting Australian Cinderellas
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17033


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This Souvenir Postcard was prepared by Seven Seas Stamps for the 1954 Australian Antarctic Exhibition.
The Cinderellas were drawn by the Illustrator/Cartoonist, Monty Wedd.
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