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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 13:11:45 pm 
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The 1d value from Malta's first revenue issue exists with a doubled overprint. It is listed as Barefoot 2c with a catalogue value of £25.

Until now I have seen four copies, one of which is mint with no gum and one in the rose red shade instead of the usual carmine. However I am pretty sure that others exist. Do you have any images of others?

Here are the ones I have images of:

1. Image taken from Revenue Reverend (http://www.revrevd.com/malta.html):

Image (I can't really tell if this is mint or lightly used)

2. Image taken from ibredguy (http://www.ibredguy.co.uk/main.php?g2_itemId=73821) - mint:

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3. Image taken from ibredguy (http://www.ibredguy.co.uk/main.php?g2_itemId=73819):

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4. Image taken from ibredguy (http://www.ibredguy.co.uk/main.php?g2_itemId=73823) - rose red:

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I also recall a fifth copy, which was sold on ebay in 2012 and was slightly damaged but I cannot locate an image of this. (i.b.redguy help me out please! :) ).

If you have any others please post them here.

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Do you mean this one...?

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I've also just sold another one...

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That's about your lot for now, however this Sunday I'm doing a Malta special with a number of rarities going-up for grabs :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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None of the above qualify as double overprints i.e. they have not passed through the overprint process on two separate occasions they appear to be a simple plate shake from the flat bed printing method.

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If there is a specific reference to the variety, is it "printing doubled" or "double printed"?

They are very different.

Then there comes the question of double surcharge and/or printer's waste............

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:45:21 am 
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Not Bruce wrote:
Do you mean this one...?

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I've also just sold another one...

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That's about your lot for now, however this Sunday I'm doing a Malta special with a number of rarities going-up for grabs :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Yes that's the one I meant. I knew about the last one and was one of the underbidders (although I didn't bid a lot since I have one (mint no gum, no. 2 in the first post) which I bought from you earlier :) ).

PS. In Barefoot it's listed as "doubled overprint".

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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 23:57:49 pm 
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Time to update this thread. Since the last post, 3 more have been recorded which brings the total up to nine (although I'm fairly certain others exist).

This appeared in the Malta Study Circle forum and appearantly it was purchased from the Hugh Woods Victory Sale:
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This is from an unidentified ebay auction:
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And this is for sale on ebay right now:
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None of the above qualify as double overprints i.e. they have not passed through the overprint process on two separate occasions they appear to be a simple plate shake from the flat bed printing method.

Dave


Dave, have you got any info on this? These 'printing doubles' occur a lot on Hong Kong overprints and I have never seen an explanation of why they do.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 00:46:03 am 
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The term I often use is "chatter print" for this kind of thing. :mrgreen:

Malta seems to have had its fair share.

I have this striking looking MUH block for sale here with a similar effect.

http://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=36762

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MALTA 1926 4d stamp *MUH* corner block with Control AND flaw. $A60


Striking looking Lemon Yellow, well centred piece. Totally MUH -- scarce in itself for 85 years old.

SG 150 cat £72++ as 4 singles, and the circled monogram control and margin "Jubilee Lines" is another large premium. Usual honeyed gum for this issue.

Also - nice overprint error.

Stamp 3 is doubled/slurred at base, and stamp 4 has a noticeably doubled E - as you can see.


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I agree with Glen.

I use the criterion given in the Michel catalogs. To be a true
double (over)print, the two impressions must be displaced
from each other in both the horizontal and vertical directions.

Based on that, none of the overprints shown in this thread
would seem to qualify.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 03:33:53 am 
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If these do not qualify as double overprints, then there are no double overprints from this issue. Included here are ones which were described as double overprint by Andrew McClellan (Secretary of The Revenue Society) and Grosvenor Auctions so if those do not qualify as double overprints, I highly doubt that there are any 'true' double overprints on this issue.

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Seeing as I have been responsible for selling most of these - and I'm an ex-printer too - I'll add my thoughts...

These are not strictly speaking "double overprints" as they have not been through the overprint press (most probably a "platen" type arrangement) twice.

What's happening here is that the cylinder pressure over the perforated sheet hasn't been even and so there's been a lack of pressure when the type hit the sheet or quite possibly good old-fashioned loose type in the letterpress forme. This has probably only affected part of the sheet.

It does seem to be a constant flaw though and only appears every so often, a bit like the infamous "straight R" on some of the other Malta revenues.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 04:06:34 am 
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These were overprinted at the Government Printing Office in Valletta (who made most of Malta's overprints from 1899 to 1977 and they also printed the 1925 postage dues). Most of the stamps printed / overprinted locally in Malta are also known with errors (like the One Pnney of 1902, 2 from ½ omitted from the 1925 postage due, different alignments of overprints, misplaced overprints etc) so nothing surprises me with these.

The straight tailed R probably occurred on one or two stamps in each sheet, but I don't think the so called "double overprints" were constant. If they were they would occur on all four low values (½d, 1d, 4d, 1s) like the straight tailed R, and the double overprint is only known on the halfpenny and penny. Of course the other two values with the double overprint might be discovered in the future.

I don't think any large multiples are known of any Malta revenue stamp, so it would be difficult to prove if this was a constant flaw or a one off error.

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I agree- from the scans they do not look like true double overprints.

All the doubling is towards the bottom- if they went thru the press twice, the second impression would be more randomly placed.

One would need mint copies to be sure, but a true second overprint would also show the 'embossed' effect of the type pressing into the paper, while a slip print would show the embossing on the first print only, and the second print would just be 'flat'.

But it still makes for an interesting variety :D


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I prefer the term " KISS PRINT " to describe that type of doubling of the letters.

In my opinion of very little philatelic importance,

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