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Are these cancelations worth collecting and
does any one collect these.

Also I'd like to know about these types of cancellations.

I know they're not worth anything butI like the
look of them. I have quite a lot of them.

They are called Pre Cancels , yes they are Collected and more so as time goes on , once were under Cat Price , I think now equal or better, someone else will know more.

Personally, I don't know anything about the values, but I've started collecting them and think they're fun. I'm starting with trying to get all 50 states covered, then if possible all 50 state capitols.

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I like these to, and are accumulating them at the moment, with the idea of putting them together to a collection.

http://www.precancels.com/

At this link you can find a lot of information about precancels.

Precancels are extremely popular in the US. The scan shows some nice examples. Just check out the number of precancel lots on eBay USA to be convinced. 25 percent of our local stamp club members collect precancels.

The link yobo provides will also link you to the US precancel catalogs. You can purchase them from the link, but you'll pay more if you are not a member of the precancel society, of course.

US precancels are supported by an immense amount of literature, too. Local and state precancel societies have produced a number of specialized albums for them, for example.

Most of them look like Bureau precancels, which are precancels applied at the Bureau of Engraving & Printing as part of the printing process.

Some of your precancels are locally applied, known as "Town & Type". I have listed them below.

Row 1 Danbury Conn
Row 2 Hicksville NY
Row 3 Philadelphia PA
Row 4 Washington DC and the last two stamps, whose cancel I cant read.

All are collectible, some are quite expensive. Most have a value of 20¢.

Below is the Scott 596, 1¢ rotary press sheet waste perforated 11 from 1923. The 2010 Scott catalog value is $110,000 USD. It carries the Bureau precancel "Kansas City, MO"


http://www.theswedishtiger.com/

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Jay:

I can hear all the box lids coming off from here...........as everyone now scrambles to start looking through all those precancels they put into the "I'll check these out later" box

John A

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Hmmph, It just so happens that the third Tuesday in December is my annual "Sort Precancel Day". Merely a coincidence, I say!

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Thanks to all the replys Will have to
do some more research on these thanks for the help.
The 7cents one i can not make out what it is
Here is some more dont know if any good ones here.

Received this in to today mail.

In them is one 30c and the cancell
is upside down.
First one I have and never seen one before.

Hi there Mike

With regard to your 7c it may be an overinked example of this from Boston. Of all the ones I have found they are the only ones using such a large typeface on two lines. If it had been on three I would have suggested New York.



Regards

Feebletodix

Edit: Then I looked at your last post so you would know that. I should look first and check then open mouth in future.

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Thanks Feebletodix.

It might be that my eyes are not
as good as they use to be.

It looks as though it might be stamped twice.
Top line looks like they are going both ways.
I think I can make out SS on end

Looks like Chicago, Illinois.

I concur!

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I stand corrected and agree, the big scan helps a lot.

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That is another locally applied "town & type" precancel. It is not uncommon to find them upside down. There are so many that the "Town & Type" catalog does not list inverts.

Bureau-applied precancels had few inverts and they are all cataloged in the Bureau catalog.

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Seeing this thread inspired me to empty all the odd ones i had put aside and put them in an album, i must have gathered quite a few hundred! I have scanned a few that looked more interesting.

The first stamps seems pretty early and has full gum, but has a small nick in the side are mint ones more valuable?
I think the special delivery stamps with precancels look pretty nice, grateful for any thoughts/information





Thanks
Lundy

I recall reading that some collectors will place a premium on early Bureau precancels with gum. I believe the reasoning is that the stamps were not supposed to be issued to the general public.

The precancels you are showing are locally applied "Town & Type" precancels. I would assume that the full gum premium might apply, but in some instances post offices wre known to cancel some stamps per favor for some customers.

By the way, the 4¢ Brown Lincoln precanceled "PROV R.I." has either a type L-5 handstamp ($1.00) or a type L-6 handstamp ($3.00).

A lot of precancel information can be found here:

http://www.precancels.com/index.html

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Thanks Jay

Lundy

Lundy,

Thank you for posting. You inadvertently answered a question for me, without me having to ask.



I have been trying to figure out what this one says.

It's AMAZING how obvious it is, once you see one that is more legible like your 50c purple Benjamin.

And here are a few more, in case someone wants to jump in and tell me if any are rare.







Are they all precancels even? I suspect some might be parcel cancels, but I really don't know.
Cheers,
Kristine

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From what I can see, nothing looks rare. Your avatar image looks like either an Akron type L-4 handstamp or type L-5 handstamp. They catalog 50¢ & 25¢ respectively.

You are correct, some of these are not precancels. On the second row, the 6¢ Washington (first stamp) & the 6¢ Garfield (seventh stamp) are not precancels. The 2¢ Yorktown issue on the third row canceled "Indianapolis", looks like a boxed cancel and not a pre cancel. However, it is still interesting.

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Does the "Kansas City" have to be on 1 line ? I have one that fits the design criteria, but "Kansas" and "City" are on 2 separate lines.

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"Kansas City" needs to be on one line.

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From the Penthouse to the outhouse.........Oh well, I'll keep hoping.

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Stallzer,

I think that the reason that the above mentioned stamp is $110,000 is because it is a Rotary Press Waste Sheet 19¼ x 22½mm design, Perf 11. It just so happens that the majority of these that have been discovered are bureau precancelled, 'Kansas City, MO'.

I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am (anyone ) but that is what I understand from my reading.

So there's still a chance to find one somewhere. I'm sure you have a big box of 1c green Franklins around in that great collection of yours!

Kristine

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Actually the one I was referring to is a Bureau Pre-cancel, Kansas City MO. and the measurements are the same. The difference being on mine, Kansas and City are on 2 separate lines. Or as a certain someone here might say, close but no ceegarrrr....or something close to that I'll keep looking for that Ruby in my Mountain of rocks.

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Ok, now I am confused, or I didn't explain myself well.

This stamp is not worth a hundred grand because of the design of the precancel. The precancel is inconsequential, or an indicator to check the stamp carefully. It is worth all the money because it was made from coil waste, and as such is different and scarce.

Because if you have a 1c green Franklin that is 19¼ x 22½ (not 22¼) that is perf 11 from this issue, it is 1923 coil waste and listed as Scott #596 c.v. used with 'machine cancel' at $130,000 or with a 'Bureau precancel' c.v. $110,000. (2010 Specialized)

I dont think it matters at all how many lines the precancel is on if the stamp specs are right.

The footnote says that the majority of the examples of #596 carry the Bureau precancel 'Kansas City, MO.'

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Yes, I know the coil waste is what makes it expensive but I think the measurement is the important thing. The reason that the dimensions are important is that these stamps were originally printed on rotary presses. The printing plates for rotary presses were made similarly to those for flat plate presses except for the last step of bending them into a curve to fit the round mandrel of the press. As a result of this bending, the face of the plate was stretched a small amount along the circumference of the plate. Stamps intended for use in coils perforated vertically were stretched from side to side; stamps intended for use in coils perforated horizontally were stretched from top to bottom.

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I got that part, but this quote from you is what is confusing me, because you say the measurements are the same. I guess the question is, "The same as what?".

I am pretty sure we agree with each other, I am just easily confused.

K.

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The measurements are the same on the stamp I have as to the rare coil waste, and it has the same City pre-cancel which brings me back to why I posted my original question. I do realize that the measurement of the rare ones are not exact, but mine also has the characteristics being off center too. Sheets of these ""waste"" stamps, many already perforated on two sides, were run through machines to apply perforations to the two remaining sides, often resulting in poor centering. So basically, I thought I had a 1 in a million shot.....

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O.K. Why not give yourself the same odds on it actually being a coil waste stamp and having a precancel that is formatted differently? If you are going to play the optimist, you may as well shoot the moon with it!

I wish us both lots of luck finding a treasure. Happy hunting

Kristine

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Here are a few of my precancels.

The Statue of Liberty one is interesting, what is the word under "Chicago" ?

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The 7c Jackson Prexie is also interesting. I don't think I have ever seen a Bureau precancel off-kilter like that.

Kristine

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Nice Registry stamps.

Off to scan my collection now!

I wondered why it looked like an "H", I also like the 1¢ Washington mess on row 5

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New ones I have got on postage due stamps.

Are these as collectable as normal stamps.

Dont know if the last one is a precancel or
some other kind cancel.

Not a pre-cancel. It is most probably a Bank cancel as it is a Revenue Stamp.

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This is the latest one I have got block of 4

Very interesting. Thank you for posting.
Regards

My Best pre-cancel yet

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You HAVE to add that to the 'Bullseye - Socked On Nose' thread.

I agree that it belongs in the S.O.N. thread, but I do not think it is a precancel. I do not see a listing for Climax, Minn. However, the counterpart to Climax, would have to be Intercourse, Pennsylvania, of which there is a precancel listing! Unfortunately I do not have an example to share.

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I suspect that Intercourse, Penn., to Climax, Minn., could only be collected by members of the Mile High club.

Sorry, I'll leave now.

Norm

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This one could almost qualify for one of Glen's "how much would you pay for this" quiz.

This is the 2¢ Jefferson coil of the Liberty Series, Scott 1055.



The stamp exists with 191 different Bureau precancels. The stamp is of minimum value. A well centered mint unhinged line pair will set you back about $1.

There are variations in the size of the perforation holes that can add a hefty premium, but not in this case. Just a plain old Scott 1055.

Precanceled stamps are considered used stamps, so a used 1055 single is typically about 20¢. There are a few that are worth several dollars, unless it has this Bureau precancel:



The Phenix City type 61 precancel. Only one example of Scott 1055 known with this particular precancel. It is considered to be the rarest Bureau precancel. No market has been established, but it has been valued around $40,000. Unfortunately I am unable to locate an image of the stamp. Hopefully one will turn up soon.

The Bureau did not precancel just one stamp so there must be additional copies of this stamp floating around somewhere.

To answer the question posed in the topic heading, I think USA precancels are worth collecting.

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