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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 04:51:49 am 
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What is the best route to take to buy UK FDC, new ones as they are released?
I have been looking at some web sites just wondered what input I can get from people on here.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 18:48:18 pm 
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Google the post office or what ever; but I have noticed that on ebay there's seems to be a glut of 'old' fdc at great prices.
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see http://www.royalmail.com/personal/stamps-and-collecting

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 19:22:12 pm 
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There's no 'best way', everything depends on what you want.

If you want to buy something which, like a brand new car, loses value as soon as you take ownership and will never recover that value, then sign up for a standing order with Royal Mail. You - and an estimated 30,000 others - will get every* new issue on a Royal Mail fdc with your name and address ink-jet on. The postmark choice is a pictorial Tallents House or pre-determined alternative.

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In 5 or 10 years - or 50 years - time if you or your heirs come to sell them you or they will find that few people want RM FDCs from their standing order service. Such FDCs issued in the 1970s-1980s can be bought from bulk dealers for as little as 25p each (compare that with the face values) - so you can imagine that the sellers don't receive much.

For every stamp issue there are other postmarks:

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If you want one of the other postmarks, and an unaddressed cover, which will better hold its value, there are other options, from DIY to using a local dealer or specialist FDC producer. But be prepared to pay more for this service, and still collect because you like them, rather than to be certain of a monetary return.

Read the advice on this page http://www.buckinghamcovers.com/covers/index.php - there is a great deal of good advice there and although Tony Buckingham has a website to sell the covers they produce, he also does his best to steer you away from the covers that are less worthwhile.

* Caveats over what you will get from Royal Mail.
The Diamond Jubilee stamp is a good example of RM's limited capacity for serving the collector. The official FDCs for that issue had the miniature sheet, which contained 6 gummed stamps. I produced FDCs with all four 1st class Machin on: the one from the miniature sheet, and the three self-adhesive stamps from the counter sheet, business sheet and booklet. These are all separate stamps, all with individual catalogue status, but ignored by RM for FDC purposes.

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For prestige stamp books, the RM fdc only ever has the block of Machin definitives (without the narrative part of the booklet pane) and they ignore the rest of the booklet even if there are new stamps. Serious collectors of PSB FDCs have all 4 or 5 full panes on individual fdcs.

Of course if you have time and a decent printer you could do it yourself, to create something unique (or almost).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 19:36:22 pm 
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Thanks to all have replied very useful info i am still looking around various web sites, and what you say about royal mail first day covers being cheap very true i brought about 200 last week on there.

any one else with advice please add your views.


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Why would you bother buying something which is so hugely overproduced? New ones lose value as soon as you have bought them, old ones can be bought by the truckload at your local fairs.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 20:13:11 pm 
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Jack wrote:
Why would you bother buying something which is so hugely overproduced? New ones lose value as soon as you have bought them, old ones can be bought by the truckload at your local fairs.

That's too simplistic for the reasons I mentioned above.

I did about 8 or 10 of these - and others may have produced them with the same postmark of course.
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On the other hand only 15 of these pairs exist with the Australian and British stamps (and we still have a couple available at £13.50 the pair!):
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This was a popular one too, for which we had permission from the TCCB & MCC to use the Ashes Urn (they even provided the hi-res image) - we did 50 of these with various postmarks.
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Dont waste your money.

Wait 12 months, and the fdc released now will be at least half price on feebay.

I have started to cut up most of my decimal fdc for the stamps, because they are mostly worthless, unless they have a special cancel.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 01:07:28 am 
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Just because it looks like a duck..... doesn't mean that it's a turkey.

1972 BBC & Marconi - on this cover with this postmark retail £20 for the single and £85 for the full set on one cover
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1974 Churchill Cetenary Oldham Constituency Association - around £30 in top condition, which this isn't.
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1978 Christmas, Clacton-on-Sea Rotary Club - around £30 (this one also carried and signed)
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1984 Greenwich Meridian on official WI - Life and Leisure First Day Cover - retail £260, which is over 2010 catalogue.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 01:50:09 am 
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Like I said, if its got a decent cancel it maybe worth something.

I have plenty of decimal fdc with decent cancels. When I get time I will sort them out and offer them here. It will be a while though, I have better things to do with my time.

The fdc you show are from the 70`s and 80`s when GB covers were collectable.The question asked was about 2012 fdc. Lets be honest things have changed a lot in the last 20 years. You could actually buy the stamps over any PO counter then.

Just to prove my point click on the link below. From 99p buy it now for a 2011 fdc.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?clk_rv ... DC&_sop=15


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 01:53:44 am 
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dynamode wrote:
Just to prove my point click on the link below. From 99p buy it now for a 2011 fdc.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?clk_rv ... DC&_sop=15

Yes - a 2011 FDC with a single 46p (Smilers) stamp on it. It's still over cost. :)

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That was a very quick search. I just put 2011 GB fdc in the search engine.

If you spend a bit of time, I am sure many are to be found for pennies. Of course that applies to anything, but I am just trying to save vhs2001 money.


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Every once-in-a-while I need a specific FDC for England, or at least a particular cancel for an occasion. I just email Norvic and tell him what I need ---- and it's in the mail. I have a great desire to collect FDC's which I manage to keep under control, because I no longer have the space to store them!

If you want to collect them I'd suggest you look at Norvic's site. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 19:56:08 pm 
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Thanks for all your advice interesting read on your views, i think i will just spread my money around diffrent dealers/people who have a cover i like.

Thanks all


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