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And he went to Sydney Grammar School which is the oldest school in Sydney, I believe. I have written to them in case they may have class photos from the era. It would be great to see a photo.

Some Australian service records have an enlistment photo but unfortunately not this one. 5'81/2" is the same height as my dad who was a similar age.

The other thing that shows on his enlistment papers is that he had his medical examination and signed the oath to join the Citizen Military Forces on 14.10.41 giving his age as 1911/12, and was officially in the CMF from 1.11.41 to 5.10.42

He was transferred to the AIF on 6.10.42 and embarked for New Guinea on 2.11.42. In other words he was overseas and into the war within a month of joining the AIF. It shows how much they needed men up in New Guinea.

I won't talk about the later items in deference to those who would rather wait.

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Great idea writing to the school John.

Another fact about Brian is that his religion is stated as Congregational and Sydney Grammar School is a non-denominational private school. I'm surprised that the only passed 3 subjects at a school like Sydney Grammar :shock:


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I received this reply from the archivist at Sydney Grammar:

Dear Mr Armstrong,

In response to your 'E'-mail of last Saturday I can confirm that John Brian Watt - there is no Lerpiniere on his record card here - entered the School in February, 1934 and left in December, 1938.

Our records show that he played cricket for at least a year in the Middle School B XI, that he was a cadet in 1937 and that he twice - 1937 and 1938 - failed the Intermediate Certificate. I cannot confirm how many subjects he passed in 'the Inter.' - we have no record of it here.

Unfortunately The Sydneian for the years he was here is not yet indexed so I am unable to see if his name appears in it for the period he was here. He served in the A.I.F. in W.W.II and there are some brief references to his service in The Sydneians for 1943 (vol. 312, p 46; vol. 313, p 37); 1944 (vol. 314, p 71; vol 315, p 72); 1945 (vol. 316, p 68); 1946 (vol. 317 p 59).

I have been through our picture files but am unable to locate a picture of him. We have quite a large collection of class photos but alas they are for the most part unsorted and unnamed! I will look through them as soon as time permits and see if I can find a picture of Watts.

I am sorry that I am unable to be more helpful.

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I would have said he was very helpful. Poor Brian really struggled with his Intermediate, two years to get three subjects. Perhaps the subjects did not interest him as he seems to have shone at economics and it is no mean feat to manage twenty words a minute in Morse.

He has mentioned cricket in one of his letters. It seems he was quite good.

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I think that was very kind of Gordon Cooper to give you as much info as he did.

Maybe the school should have an activity where they gather as much info about past pupils as they can especially pupils who have war service :idea:

By the end of this topic Brian will be part of everybodys family...uncle Brian :lol:


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I agree, It was very generous of Gordon Cooper to take the time to provide the information he has. And any snippet about Brian is Gold to us ! :lol:

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Letter numbered 67
Dated 27.7.43

Dear Gordon,
Letters Nos 97,08 and 99 arrived last evening, the latter only taking five days. Sorry to hear that the weather is so cold down there and now that the Aberdare mine has been damaged it will be harder than ever to obtain coal, even at £4 per ton.
I suppose the papers and commentators are full of Mussolini's resignation and the return to power of the House of Savoy. I don't think Italy will remain an Axis partner much longer despite Badogilo's (sic) statement. (He means Badoglio)
Thanks for the information re B.W. and J.S.H; everything appears to be going the right way in spite of my absence. Let me know when the £1 limit is reached.
I listened to Curtin's policy speech last night but did not think it very statling although the tail end of it had some sting. He crawled to the forces and the farmers with some vague promises but I think it will be a close go despite U.A.P. disuniting. People are apt to disapprove of a government that allows strikes and shortages (to) go on as a present.
Phil appears to be quite a glamour boy and no doubt has settled down to city life again. I would laugh if he were sent to the "bush" again. It is a wonder his conscience does not trouble him.
Please excuse the writing but I am in a hurry to finish this before I go on shift at 6. I shall answer Em's letters tomorrow.
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Letter numbered 68
Dated 28.7.43

Dear Em,
As I mentioned in my letter to Gordon yesterday, your letters Nos 97 and 98 arrived on Monday while No 100 came last night together with some press cuttings.
I was surprised to learn that Alan has got so far in the short time but no doubt we will hear more of him when he settles in.
There has been nothing in our paper about the bread strike and I think they only print what they want us to know. Has it been settled yet or are they still fooling around?
I have been reading "Who are the Americans?" one of the Guild book series and I would like you to try and obtain a copy and keep it for me as it contains some interesting information. Yes, I know I am like A.B.W. where books are concerned.
The last few days we have spent cutting wood, someone has the idea of clearing fire breaks and the result is that we are all put to work.
The weather continues to remain fair and although the last few days have been overcast, we had only a few drops of rain during the last month.
You have certainly beaten me where the letters are concerned having written 100 against my 68 but there is so little news here that it is hard to write two pages.
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Letter numbered 69
Dated 30.7.43

Dear Em,
There has not been much doing during the last few days although the pictures were on last Thursday. "Spawn of the North" was the show but it was only just a picture. We seem to be the dumping ground for George Raft' films.
The Sydneian arrived yesterday but there were no newspapers, goodness knows where they have got to.
It was pay day yesterday and the two up and poker schools are doing a brisk trade. After the weekend, everyone will be broke and the place will become quieter.
I see that several members of the legal fraternity attempted to run for the Senate but the party machine kept them out.
I am writing this while waiting for the news however I don't think there will be anything startling.
No letters have arrived since my last letter, they have been taking about five or six days lately though the Victorian mail only takes about two days. The postal systems beat me.
I managed to get some envelopes the other day which should last me a week or two. I don't like using Salvation Army stationery if I can help it.
Well that seems the lot for the present so I shall say cheerio and all the best.
Brian


Note: The Sydneian is the school alumni magazine for Sydney Grammar School. Brian is mentioned in the magazine as previously listed.

For overseas readers: The game of two up is an Australian form of gambling played with two pennies thrown in the air with a flat piece of wood called a skip. It is considered the world's fairest form of gambling and the rules have been formalised and can be viewed in the following link. It was legalised for playing on Anzac Day, VP Day and Remembrance Day.

The game was also introduced into Australian casinos but there the rules have been altered slightly to favour the house more. I heard a lot of older players complaining about this when I tried it in Hobart casino in the 1970s. This may be why it didn't really take off. Apparently, only the Perth casino still run two up.

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A group of Australian soldiers watching the pennies fly

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Brian talks about the size of the two up schools. This photo was taken of one of the Northern Territory two up schools in 1943. There must be several hundred players.
(Both photos: Australian War Memorial collection. Copyright now public domain)

"A historical overview of two-up
Unlike other forms of legalised gambling, the game of two-up has a unique place in Australia's national character. This has arisen from its association with Gallipoli and the First World War generally, where two-up was played in the trenches and on the troop ships. It also has a strong link with the Australian outback, particularly among rural workers such as miners and shearers.

Prior to 1989, it was illegal to conduct games of two-up. In that year, the playing of two-up on Anzac Day was made lawful by an amendment to the Gaming and Betting laws. This was in acknowledgment of its status as a national game and the wide community acceptance of the game being played on Anzac Day." From the website:

http://www.olgr.nsw.gov.au/gaming_info_ ... istory.asp

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I can't believe how fresh his news is.

Curtin's wartime policy speech 25 July 1943
http://explore.moadoph.gov.au/trails/211-australias-prime-ministers-landmark-speeches/list

Aberdare Central Colliery Fire Saturday 24th July 1943
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Mussolini Dismissed and arrested 24 July 1943
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

The Old Sydneians' Union
http://www.osu.com.au/grammar/about-the-osu/history-of-the-old-sydneians-union/

Here is a copy of the Sydneian, the earliest I could find but being 1948 it would be pretty similar to the 1943 copy.

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He seems to get most of his news from the ABC radio and from the Guinea Gold. I liked his comment about the Guinea Gold only telling them what they wanted them to hear. I was surprised they didn't cut that out.

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Here is a link to the Guinea Gold newspaper and if you scroll down to the bottom the newspaper is dated a few days before his letters, so this is the news he would have been reading.

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Letter numbered 70
Dated 1.8.43

Dear Gordon
I received your letter No 101 this morning also two parcels of newspapers dated about June 14 and July 8.
I was on shift last night and ave today free, that is after doing my washing, but as Sunday is usually a rest day I am no better off.
Tonight I hope to go to the pictures, "Dawn Patrol" is the show and I think I shall enjoy it. We have been getting quite a number of shows lately and it does help the evenings to pass.
I note that you were going to see "In Which We Serve", and expect you liked it.
You do not appear to have heard much from JX1551 lately and I don't suppose you have seen J since the balloon went up.
The weather has been glorious during the last week and I have been wearing shorts around the camp, even the nights have been mild.
I have not written to O'Brien since I was in N.G. and I don't want to write at the moment. I will look him up next time I am down, whenever that will be.
There is not much news and the papers have plenty to say about the elections. Do you know whether Ray is standing again?
Well I must close now as I want to have a look at the football.
All the best
Brian

Note: I thought JX1551 might have been a service number we could trace but it brings no results searching at the war museum.

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Letter numbered 71
Dated Bank Holiday 1943 (3.8.43)

Dear Em,
The pictures were cancelled last night so I spent the evening reading "Passed to you please", a book dealing with "red" tape in the British civil service, rather dry but containing some interesting facts.
Your letters Nos 102 & 103 arrived today and I am glad that you were able to see "In which we serve" and I hope to see it too before the film is worn out.
No, I have not heard any of W.W's talks since arriving here but I saw that Bernard was in the U.S and had been awarded a doctorate at some yank university.
I note that you are forwarding the May digest also another cake. The latter must have required some effort with the present butter ration.
Went for a short march this afternoon and was so warm when I returned that I had a cold shower, the first for several months. (cold one I mean)
There is a dance on in town this evening and a lot of chaps have spent the last three hours getting ready for it. Needless to say, I am not going.
I finished reading "Why so pale" a few days ago and enjoyed it very much. It has a French setting at the time of the Franco-Prussian war and I think you would like it.
Did J. & B. visit you last Saturday (Joan and Bill?) and if so, what is your opinion of the latter?
My mail appears to be reaching you in good time and I am glad to say none of yours has been censored during the last week or so with the result they are not taking so long.
Well I will close now and read a few pages before going to bed.
Best wishes
Brian

Note: Sounds like this is the first chance Em has had to meet Bill. They were married in 1943 when he got leave but I haven't found the date yet.

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Letter numbered 72
Dated 5 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
Letters Nos 104 and 105 arrived yesterday but as I was out all day on a 15 mile route march and on shift last night, I was unable to write before this.
It was very hot yesterday during the march but a cold shower and a pint of beer when we arrived back made all the difference.
I note that "Boof" is still at K. but I can't remember the English chap you speak of. J. (Joan?)seems to be returning home early in the piece and I don't expect Roy is very pleased about it.
The pictures were on last night ut I missed out as I was working. Are there any good films coming out these days?
There are several things I would like you to send up including a new watch strap, some boot laces and pencils also a tube or two of veg. (Vegemite?) If you send them by packet post they should not take very long.
Don't forget to pass on Alan's address when you hear from him, no doubt he has arrived by now.
I received a happy surprise to hear about McN. and am looking forward to seeing the sheet.
Have not heard any news for a couple of days but nothing startling appears to be happening.
Well I shall say cheerio and all the best,
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This is Em around 1927 with Ted on her knee and Brian on his tricycle.

I found an English website where Phil Williamson had posted a photo taken by his Grandfather in 1910. I wrote to them and they put me in contact with him. Phil wrote the Williamson family website. I sent this email.

Dear Mr. Williamson,
Among other things, I am a stamp collector with a particular interest in postal history of the second world war. Some time ago, I bought a box of letters from a person in Brisbane which included about 300 letters from Brian Watt to his parents Em and Gordon. Despite the content being fairly bland as censorship was strict, I got the idea of using them as a timeline for a book I have been planning on life in Australia in the 1940s.

I am a member of a stamp discussion group and together we have been trying to put some flesh on the bare bones of the stories. We came across your family website and I found your email address. I have been trying to contact you for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I would not like to upset family members with this project and secondly, It would be very helpful to have any family input that members might like to give.

The progress so far can be seen at:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=27540

Having said that, I am compelled to ask whether your father, Ted has written his memoirs. The Williamson family seems to be dotted with larger than life characters and both Ted and Roy have stories that deserve to be told to a wider audience.
I hope this email finds you.
Best wishes
John Armstrong

Today I received this reply with the above photograph.

Hi John,

Your email came as quite a shock, as we did not know that these letters were floating around in the public domain. They must have been overlooked when either Brian's or his parents' estates were wound up and assets dispersed (obviously to second-hand dealers etc). However, they seem to have caused a great deal of excitement, more for the historical value of the letters than for their stamps and covers.

I would only ask that you apply a level of sensible censorship if you come across anything in the letters which you feel would be embarrassing or unkind to any family members. Most are dead, of course, but we would still not like their memories to be tarnished in the eye of the public.

All of the names in the letters are mentioned in my website, which you have discovered. Unfortunately it is not very "user-friendly", having been originally prepared for a paper copy, rather than for the internet. If you search for the names, you will find all the information you need to piece together the family tree.

I have emailed my father, Ted, to get his opinion. He served in the famous 460 Squadron RAAF, as a wireless operator in Lancaster bombers.

I am also sending a copy of this to Peter Williamson, to let him know what is afoot. He may wish to contact you separately.

Just to whet your appetite, I have attached a photo taken in about 1927, showing Brian's mother Em with Ted on her lap, and Brian on his tricycle.

I will be in touch when I hear back from Ted.

(BTW, if you ever consider selling the collection, I would appreciate having first option. They may be merely interesting from a stamp collector's point of view, but as family history they are priceless.)

Cheers,

Phil Williamson

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Dear Phil
I am delighted to hear from you. I read Ted's letters to the Lancaster site with interest as a friend of mine has been working for some years on a book about them.

Thankyou very much for the photo. It is great to have a real picture to add to the ones we have built up in our heads about these. As I mentioned, the letters will only form a timeline for the book so anything of a sensitive nature can easily be left out though I don't envisage that there will be much. However, there is a lot in the early letters about Peter's illness and the time he spent in hospital when he was nine or ten. Even with the sparse references in the letters you get a strong impression that this was a very difficult time for the family.

We have probably become more attached to Brian's story than researchers should but it has been enlightening to see how, in such a dramatic time, people could get on with their lives while doing what needed to be done. The war was won as much by the thousands of people who kept the machinery working as by the heroes at the front.

As for the letters, I had been wondering what I would do with them after the book is done. At the moment I type a few each week and scan the covers for our group to work with. I need the letters typed anyway and this means there is minimal handling. Once I have this I basically don't need to touch them again. I would far rather return the letters to you than sell them into the philatelic market. If you send me a postal address, I will post the ones I have done so far. If there is any need to see them again, which I doubt, I will always know where to find them.

There is one exception. In 1945, Ted send a V-mail message to Em from London. V-mail is a particular interest of mine and until I saw this one, I did not know that they ever sent them to Australia. In fact, I have yet to meet anyone who has seen one sent here. Mostly, they went to England or the USA.
V-mail was a clever way of sending a lot of messages by air. They photographed a prepared form carrying the message and then shipped the microfilm rather than the letter. The post office at the destination country then printed out the message and delivered it.

They could carry far more messages this way. This also had the advantage that if the plane was shot down, the originals could be recopied and sent again. I would particularly like to keep this piece for my collection.

I hope you don't mind if I share your email and the photograph with the rest of my group. I know they will be as excited as I am to have made contact with Brian's family.
Best wishes
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John, I can't believe this, how great is it to actually see the people in these letters, at long last. That was so kind of Phil Williamson to send you a photo of them.

I hope Phil realises that we have adopted them :lol:

That's so kind of you too to return the letters to the family, what would the chances be of that happening? Makes me feel good inside so you must feel even better.

I missed your last entry, how did that happen as it's one of my highlights.

I wonder if Phil would like to come on here and share his thoughts with us?

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Phil pointed out that the seventeenth would have been Brian's 90th birthday. It feels like we should have a party.

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I think we should too John, his 90th is a special one. I'll bring the cake and balloons :D


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Sorry I don't have the balloons and streamers - but I did think of Brian on the 17th.

John I think your offer to see Brian's letters returned to the family is great as is Phil sharing that photo of Em and her sons.

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That looks like quite a party Brummie. Here in the sticks I just had a quiet toast to a man who will never know how much he has brightened our days.

Hi John,
Peter Williamson sent me these photos of Brian Watt in later life. Neither are particularly flattering, so I hope they don't shatter anyone's preconceived ideas. The lady is a friend who owned a farm near Mudgee.

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I don't think they spoil anything. Not many of us look the same as we did in our twenties, unless we are still in our twenties. Happy Birthday, Brian!

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Doesn't shatter anything at all for me but it does place a very important piece in the puzzle. So we can see him as a young boy and an old man, perfect!


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They are great ! wonderful to put a face to the name.
Between the child and elderly versions you can almost imagine the young man that was sent to war.

I also think it's fantastic that you have been able to talk to someone in the family, and your offer to send the letters back home just warms my heart. :D

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Letter numbered 73
Dated 6 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
Your letters of the 29th & 30th arrived this morning, both of them numbered 106. I am amused at Mabe's experience with "Boof" and hope you have both seen the last of him. I would like to see the letter that follows him.
Before I forget it, will you please include a comb among the things I asked for yesterday.
You make me laugh when you mention M's request re Alan's cake, I guess several other people are being asked the same question.
Spent rather a quiet day today but have to do another march tomorrow, only 7 miles this time and just as well too. I still have blisters from the last one.
Today's paper mentioned that we had occupied Catania but I have not heard tonight's news.
I see that George Ritchie is retiring from politics after 40 years, about time too. Have you had any news from Adelaide lately?
Have developed a taste for the beer recently and usually find room for a pint before tea. Your letters have been arriving in about a week lately so I don't suppose we can complain of that. I wish I could say the same for the papers. Now I shall close and look for a game of cards.
All the best,
Brian

Note: Brian's comment on the beer reminded me that even in the 1960s when I was travelling round Australia, every state had its own distinctive beer and any others were hard to get. Melbourne had Fosters Lager, Victoria Bitter, Abbott's Lager etc. Sydney had Tooths and Tooheys, Brisbane was Gold Top while up north in Townsville and Cairns where I stopped for a while it was Fourex (labelled XXXX).
The same went for all the other states and if you had been used to one type, moving to another area was quite an adjustment. Melbourne and Sydney were drastically different to my taste while Gold Top was similar to the lagers in Victoria. Nowadays, you can get dozens of different beers in any bottle shop so the distinctions have almost disappeared.
No matter where you went, the locals referred to every other beer as horse piss and refused to drink it. In North Queensland they had a strange (back then) practice which later caught on all over. Drinkers swore that the draught beer tasted better than bottled beer so at the end of the night instead of buying bottles to take home, they brought in their own bottle and the barmaid filled it from the tap in the bar. Nowadays beer labelled as "draught" beer, which of course it is not, can be bought anywhere.

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Easy on the "old man"! He looks about my age. :lol:

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He is really so up to date with the news because the 5th Aug 1943 the British occupy Catania and Paterno.

Sir George Ritchie KCMG (14 December 1864 – 7 August 1944) was an Australian politician. He was the member for Alexandra in the South Australian House of Assembly from 1902 to 1922, and then served in the South Australian Legislative Council from 1924 to 1944.

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What a very interesting topic to read John :D Really enjoy it. And what a story regarding the contact you established with Brian Watt's relatives. It reminded me of some thoughts I had when I first visited a stamp fair. Seeing all those cartons filled with letters, some of them still containing the letters, how it should be if one would find something in it which belonged to a relative or so. It's a bit the same as when you see old familypictures for sale. It makes me often wonder, who were these people?

Well, in your case it seems you allready got a pretty good idea of the man who wrote all those letters long ago :D Keep up the good effort :D


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Hi John,
I've been reading Brian's letters a bit more thoroughly, and can probably explain the references to Vic Mankey which occurred in the early ones.

Vic Mankey married an Annie Winifred Wibberley in Perth on 6 April 1916. The bride's father was the Rev Brian Wibberley, a very well-known Methodist minister in Adelaide in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before he moved to Perth. He was great friends with Ted's mother's family, the Holders, and knew Sir Frederick Holder very well. (He conducted his funeral service in 1909 after Sir Frederick died in the Speaker's chair in the House of Representatives.) Brian's grandmother, Margaret Williamson, was also a staunch Methodist, and would have known the Wibberleys well. In fact, friendships between the Wibberleys, Holders and Williamsons lasted for several generations, and the Holders and Wibberleys were related by marriage.

Obviously there was a family friendship which survived the move from Adelaide to Sydney.

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Thank you John for passing on Phils email and thanks Phil for taking the time to add to this topic.

I found lots to read (it will take me a day to read the whole thing) on the Williamsons site about the Holders and Sir Frederick Holder was a very prominent and respected man and his death warrants a whole page on the site:-
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Sorry the letters have slowed down. Being a postman with Christmas approaching is rather time consuming. Anyway, here are a couple more,

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Letter numbered 74
Dated 8 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
Two parcels of papers arrived yesterday dated 25 June - 1 July, together with the enclosed balance sheet and some envelopes.
I was glad of the papers in spite of their age and one or two items were quite interesting. McNo have certainly had a good year and it might be advisable to realise on a couple of hundred if they have risen to 26/-.
Went for a seven mile hike yesterday but felt quite OK afterwards which is just as well because I expect we shall be doing a lot more in the near future now that they have started training again.
I shall miss the pictures again tonight as I am working, however I hope to see one of the concert parties on Tuesday.
At the moment I am reading "Private Worlds" but it is only so-so. I don't go much on hospital books and this one deals with mental patients.
It is only a fortnight till polling day and I expect you are getting plenty of speeches and promises. Fortunately there are no politicians here to worry us.
I am sending you my ration coupons by registered ordinary mail as there is no chance of my using them. Please let me know when you receive them.
Do you know where Bill has gone and how long he expects to be there? I may run into him one of these days.
Well that is all for the present so I shall close.
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Letter numbered 75
Dated 11 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
I received three letters from you yesterday dated 1st, 2nd & 3rd but was unable to write last night as I was at a concert.
The censor has been busy again, Gordon's letter of the 1st having been opened by No 1406.
So you have made the acquaintance of Bill at last and I am amused at your remarks regarding his visit. Do you know where he has gone to?
I don't envy M her experience with "Boof" and hope she is able to get rid of him this time. He certainly takes some handling.
Naturally I am very interested in Harold's latest action and I shall be glad to have some more particulars. Blink has given us a few surprises but this one is the best so far.
Fancy Mac coming to life again after all this time. You did not mention what he was doing but I expect you will hear more if he pays you a visit. As you know I have had no letters from him but if you see him you can let me have his address however don't go to any trouble about it. I find it hard to make up my mind about him.
Thanks for sending that parcel, I expect it will be some time before I see it.
I was up at 6 this morning as we had to leave at 7 on a seven mile hike. We were back by 10.30 however so it was not so bad although I feel very tired this evening.
They have just finished the news but there was nothing startling. The weather has been quite mild of late but the place is getting very dusty and we could do with some rain.
I received Alan's address and will drop him a line when I get the chance, we don't get much time to ourselves nowadays.
That is all for the present.
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The elections were held on 21st August 1943 and John Curtin got in.


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Yes it was an interesting time in Australian politics. Menzies, as leader of the United Australia party was Prime Minister at the beginning of the war and he encouraged a "business as usual" attitude. Most Australians ignored the war and the ones who joined up began to feel like "mugs". Menzies spent a long time in England where he was welcomed by the British war cabinet.

Then the impregnable fortress at Singapore fell and shortly afterwards Darwin was bombed and Australians were forced to wake up to the reality of the war in the Pacific.

Menzies still believed Australia's ties to Britain were the most important issue but he was out of step with the public mood. Most Australians did not see defending England as a priority with the Japanese at the doorstep and they looked to America for support.

Menzies as sacked as Prime Minister and the minority coalition leader, Fadden, leader of the Country Party, took over. He only lasted a month before Curtin won the election Brian is waiting for.

Menzies, of course came back to power after the war. He started a new party, the Liberals, and glued his backside to the seat of power for so long a generation grew up without knowing any other Prime Minister.

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Letter numbered 76
Dated 14 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
I have just noticed that it is three days since I wrote to you soit is time I took up my pen again.
Your letters appear to be a little "haywire" as no 114 of the 8th arrived this morning while the last one I received was No 110 of the 3rd, no doubt the missing ones will arrive in due course.
Since I last wrote I have had letters from both John and Bruce while the April Digest has also arrived.
Sorry that you have been having those headaches again and hope you are better now.
Lillian seems to be on a job equal to her ability and no doubt she is out for all she can get. I wrote to Alan this afternoon and passed on the news about Harold though I expect he has heard by now.
The weather has been cooler the last day or so and I took a blanket when I went to see "When tomorrow comes" at the pictures last night. The acting was good but I had seen the show before so I did not spend an enlightening evening.
At present I am reading "Deadline" written by a French journalist and dealing with the fall of France. The author knows his subject and the book makes very good reading, in fact, I suggests that Roy reads it. Have you heard any more from Mac lately?
Today's paper said that the Axis had started withdrawing in Sicily so I don't suppose it will be long before the mainland is attacked. It is nearly 7pm so I shall go and see if there is any fresh news on the wireless.
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Letter numbered 77
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Dear Gordon,
I have not had much time for writing lately but as today is Sunday I have a chance to drop you a few lines.
The news regarding N Coy's latest action in reducing their pref div has just reached here and I must say I am very surprised. Apparently they can deduct the pref shares proportion of war time company tax but it is hard to know where this sort of thing will end. Is there any chance of McN's doing the same thing? I also notice that pref share prices are now uncontrolled.
There has been no mail today so there should be a pile in any time now. Don't forget to let me know when my ration coupons arrive.
We are getting plenty of stuff in the canteen now but as food is still pretty good it is not often that I have to use the tin opener.
A lot of chaps are away at present doing another form of training and the camp is rather deserted. There is no-one here who can cut hair and I have a crop on me like Hank the Yank.
By the way has Heather gone to Brisbane yet or has Randie returned?
I have nothing more to pass on at present so will close.
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I find it very strange that Brian writes to each parent. They live in the same house as per the address on the covers so why wouldn't he write one letter to both?


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I wonder about that too Brummie
I can only guess that he's doubling up in case some get lost or too much is censored out of them ??

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I never thought of that, sound logical now that you said it :D


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I think it is more about the content. He writes to his father about his business interests which Gordon is looking after for him. He writes regularly to Em just to let her know he's OK and thinking of her. In those days women were not expected to take an interest in business affairs although Phil told me that Em was independently well off as she and Roy had inherited from the biscuit business in Adelaide. It is strange though as sometimes he writes the same things to both on the same day so perhaps you are right and it is insurance against loss.

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Letter numbered 78
Dated 16 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
There is only time for a short note as I go on shift this evening. Letters 111 and 112 arrived this morning, rather overdue but all the more welcome for that. Three parcels of newspapers also turned up but I have not yet had time to look at them.
From your letters, I gather that J. is living at home again and I wonder how Roy likes it, or has all been forgiven.
Went for a march this morning which was OK as it has not been very hot. We have travelled a few miles lately on foot and it is becoming quite a habit.
You have not mentioned Peter in your letters for some time and I have been wondering whether he has fully recovered. Has he returned to school yet?
The NSW mail has been particularly rotten during the last week although letters arrive in a few days from the other states, even the west.
By the way, I have not heard any more about the business I mentioned in my letter of the 30th March so I don't think there is much chance of the deal coming off.
Please excuse the scribble but I am in a hurry and must close now
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Hi John,

Just a quick note to say that the package of letters arrived safely. Thank you once again.

I can see why Brian was always asking for a pen and nibs - the pencil letters are much harder to read.

On a very minor point, I think I can explain Nancy, who is referred to in a few of the early letters. I think Brian used her as a code to tell his parents where he was. Nancy Williamson was his second cousin, born in Adelaide in 1925. The only reference I have ever been able to trace of her is that she married a Douglas Miles Goebel, and they had a son in 1952 in Lae, New Guinea. It was possible that she (and her family ?) lived in Port Moresby before the war - a house you could see from the quay - and this would have been the clue. By the time his parents had guessed, he was able to tell them anyway.

JX1551 was probably Roy's Sydney telephone number.

In his letter 54 (4-1-1943) the "youth band" should be the "yank band", which makes more sense.

His reference to ABW in letter 68 is to my grandfather, Arthur Burton Williamson, who had a good collection of books, most of which I have, and used to read the Rationalist Press offerings for enjoyment. He was a confirmed atheist in later life, so much for the Methodist upbringing.

As far as I can find out, Joan and Bill got married on 30th June 1943 in Sydney, so Brian's reference in letter 72 of Joan "returning home early in the piece" might refer to her moving back home soon after her marriage if Bill got shipped overseas again. Roy may have expected her to move into her own place after marriage, and stay there. BTW I cannot find an entry for Bill's war service in the AWM or NLA records.

References to Lil(l)ian in letters 59 and 7 sounds like she was Em's housemaid - those were the days.

Hope you don't mind all these trivial snippets - I don't know what you might be interested in, so I'll give you as much as I can. I can make nothing of the other cryptic initials and abbreviations in the letters at this stage.

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Letter numbered 79
Dated 18 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
I received your letters Nos 115, 117 and 118 this morning but 116 is missing. The papers which arrived the other day were dated 17 June - 6 July and there was a "Bulletin" among them which I was glad to receive.
So you had a visit from Lorna Mottram, I have an idea I met her when we were at Glenelg on one occasion.
Glad to hear that one of my letters arrived in three days and I hope the service continues. Thanks for sending the parcel I asked for, it should be here shortly if you sent it packet post.
You must have had an interesting time at the S.A. meeting the other day and I would have liked to have heard the speaker.
It is breadless day today and we are on dog biscuits however we are probably better off than you especially if bacon is rationed, not that the bacon we get is up to much. We have been getting some fresh fruit lately so I am O.K. in that respect.
The pictures are on tonight, Bette Davis in "The Old Maid" which should be a good show.
We vote next Saturday and I believe the ballot papers have to be written by hand so someone will have a big job. Well there is just time for a pint before tea so I must close.
All the best
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Letter numbered 80
Dated 19 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
There is not much to write about tonight but I will try to fill a page or two. The pictures last night were very good and both Bette Davis and Miriam Hopkins acted well. I don't think you have seen "The Old Maid" but I think you would enjoy it if you get the chance to go.
I managed to waste a few rounds with a Bren gun this morning however my score was a little better than last time.
According to the papers, the Allies have now occupied all of Sicily. I wonder where Mussolini is these days.
I have just been looking at a list of N.S.W candidates for the Senate. There is certainly a crowd to choose from and it is the first time I have heard of most of them. Did you know that Grenfel Price is standing for Boothby?
They are charging 6d for pencils at one of the local towns so I shall be glad when the ones you sent arrive. I shall be on shift tomorrow night so will have a chance to answer a few letters. No mail has arrived from you since I last wrote.
That seems all the news for the present so cheerio and all the best.
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Apologies everyone for not posting for a while. The Christmas mail has me pretty well tied up.
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Letter numbered 81
Dated 22 Aug 1943

Dear Em,
Well the elections are over and I don't suppose it will be long now before we know the result. We voted yesterday so it will be some time before our votes are counted, not that they will make much difference.
Your delayed letter no 116 of the 10th arrived yesterday and I was glad to receive it.
Sorry to hear the news about Polly Bridgland, it is a wonder one of the others did not let you know.
Went to the concert last night but it was bitterly cold and today is no better. There is a strong wind blowing and the sky is overcast, not a very good outlook for the pictures tonight.
I wrote to John Brown yesterday although there was not much news to pass on and I intend writing to Bruce today.
One of our chaps has just arrived back from the leave we had last February. Not bad eh!
I have just heard that Street looks like getting in for Wentworth. It seems rather sudden and I guess E.J is having an anxious time.
I understand that the pictures are not on tonight so I shall be going to bed early. That is all for the present.
All the best,
Brian

Note: Street is Jessie Street. She was a tireless fighter for women's rights and social justice and she almost won the seat. Both her husband and son were Chief Justices of the Supreme Court of NSW so she moved in powerful circles. Curtin appointed her to the peace conference in 1945
http://vrroom.naa.gov.au/print/?ID=19512
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Dear Em,
Just a short note this evening as there is not much news. There have been no letters from you for a few days now so I can't comment on your news.
The elections proved quite a surprise, I did not expect such a swing towards labour and no doubt there are a lot of sorry people, especially in the safe seats.
Spent this morning at the dentist having three teeth filled and have to go back in a few days as one is only a temporary dressing. Fortunately none had to come out.
The cold weather has returned the last couple of days and we notice it, particularly at night now that we only have four blankets. However I don't think the cold spell will last long.
I shall not have a chance to write tomorrow as I am on shift in the evening and the pictures are on the following night.
You have not mentioned P.H.C. for some time and I am wondering what has become of him. No doubt it is a pretty safe job not far from Sydney.
I see Katanga had a good win on Saturday which should help pay for its keep for some time to come. Did Mabs have an interest?
Well I'm going to turn in now as bed is a warm place these nights.
All the best
Brian

Note: As far as I can tell Katanga won the Warwick Stakes in 1943 and the AJC Queen Elizabeth Randwick Stakes in 1944. More here: http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricDams/ColonMares/C24.html
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Darn I just lost all my posting :twisted: here it is in short.

Jessie Street sure was a busy bee and I'm sure she would be accepted into todays Labor Party with open arms.

She was referred to as "Red Jessie" in the press and I thought that it was because she was a redhead but she had brown hair and it was because she was friendly towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War :shock:

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I tried searching for Polly Bridgland with no success. It sounds like she may have died. Possibly a friend of Em.

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Because of the different names of candidates for the different States, it was easier to handwrite them in for each soldier depending on where he was from (? )
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Wanted: Illustrated Tourist cover of "Waratah Park", Sydney, NSW. Australia


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