Australian King George V 1½d Head Stamp Wiki - Electros 1-4

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:34:08 am

King George V 1½d
4R55
DESCRIPTION

Head: Small break diagonally downwards from left to right 1.25mm above the lower end of the 9th shading line (counting from back of head); in later printings the break widens slightly and becomes horizontal.

Owned by stampboard member kgVnut

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:34:31 am

King George V 1½d
4R56
DESCRIPTION
Right wattles: small rectangular flaw in leaf to left of 5th bloom

Owned by stampboard member mobbor

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:34:52 am

King George V 1½d
4R57
DESCRIPTION
Crown: flaw joining left & top parts of Maltese cross

Owned by stampboard member mobbor

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:35:15 am

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King George V 1½d
4R58
DESCRIPTION

Owned by stampboard member

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:36:44 am

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King George V 1½d
4R59
DESCRIPTION

Owned by stampboard member

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:37:04 am

King George V 1½d
4R60
DESCRIPTION
King George V 1½d
4R60 S2
Shading above feft wattles: break in two lines immediately below downward point of white margin (obsc.)
Shading in oval: spot at top of head

Owned by stampboard member mobbor

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:37:24 am

UNLOCATED

King George V 1½d
A09
DESCRIPTION
Right wattles: two shade breaks to left of corner leaf

Owned by stampboard member mobbor

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:37:43 am

Construction site

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:23:59 pm

Construction site

note fix 30 to 54

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Mon Aug 23, 2010 14:51:13 pm

Nothing today
Just putting it in order

bazza4338 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 21, 2010 06:02:45 am

GUTTERS wrote:

1R14
DESCRIPTION

No Flaw Recorded

Owned by stampboard member mobbor

Is there a line under the Roo's ear to the eyebrow?

mobbor · **Posted:** Tue Sep 21, 2010 06:41:00 am

bazza4338

Thanks for pointing that out. It's definitely 1R14 because it's in a pair. No flaw is recorded. It will take a while but I'll try & check it out further.

quicksingle · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 19:51:28 pm

Hi All,

SG 59

No Flaws listed

quicksingle · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 19:54:18 pm

4R2

Cross of Crown:Quite Dark with only small spots of white

Lower Frame:Thicker than normal from lower left corner for 3.5mm

quicksingle · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 19:56:24 pm

4R7

Left Wattle Spray:6th and 7th blooms joined by white flaw

quicksingle · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 19:58:03 pm

4R8

Upper Frame:Small rounded notch on inner side 5.5mm from right corner

quicksingle · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 19:59:24 pm

And just for gutters

Neill's got a new block of 4

clemo · **Posted:** Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:29:53 pm

3R30.

Could you please attach the description.

Thanks

:twisted:

KGVnut · **Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2011 21:19:04 pm

4L60
Large Multiple Watermark, Brown: Accent above T of POSTAGE, also missing lower serif on last E of HALFPENCE (constant?)

Moved into position

KGVnut · **Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2011 21:26:01 pm

Electro 4 Harrison Imprint
Large Multiple Watermark, Brown: for reference

Moved into position

manfaefife · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:32:42 am

This is 4L52 state 2

As State 1 Plus

(b) Left Wattle Spray; Diagonal gash, 1mm long, upwards from left to right in lowest leaf.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 22:28:58 pm

This is 3R15

Value Tablet; Small downward notch from oval border below O and S of POSTAGE into tablet

mobbor · **Posted:** Sun Jul 08, 2012 13:31:30 pm

This might be premature, but since I'm dealing with it at the moment I'll put this here now. It has to do with 4R13.

State 1 is just a colour protrusion into the left inner margin just below the level of the base of the left wattle stem.

State 2 is the problem. The checklist shows it as a wide break with another flaw attached just above & to the right. My copy above shows the adjacent flaw, but the break is not fully developed. I would suggest that should be regarded as state 2. (I have 2 other similar copies.)

BW illustrates 4R13 as the large break without the adjacent flaw, as the illustration below shows. I suggest that should be state 3. Of course, how the adjacent flaw disappeared is another problem.

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sun Jul 08, 2012 14:07:58 pm

mobbor is the small notch missing also from the bottom left corner on the other two you have.

mobbor · **Posted:** Sun Jul 08, 2012 17:51:23 pm

GUTTERS

Good question. No!

It also appears to be missing from the BW illustration, although it's so small............ So, another mystery.

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 02:05:14 am

Maybe we now have a State 1,2 & 3 for this position, your three stamps being the new state 2 and the present state 2 becoming state 3

manfaefife · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2012 17:41:54 pm

This is 3R42

(a) Shading at left of Right Wattle Spray : Wide break in 13th line(counting down) just before it joins left side of second bloom(not in earliest printings).

(b) Value Tablet : Diagonal scratch, 0.5mm long downwards from left to right at left end of tablet, ending level with top of T of THREE.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2012 21:22:57 pm

This is 2L25

Left Value Shield: Tiny flaw joining right lower serif of large figure 1 and point of figure 2

manfaefife · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2012 21:24:39 pm

This is 2L26

Upper Left Corner : Badly worn in late printings

mobbor · **Posted:** Sat Jul 14, 2012 13:13:00 pm

GUTTERS

Back to 4R13.

I agree, there has to be 3 states & apparently both 2 & 3 occurred in brown since there is no reference to the flaw in black-brown in BW.

Given that the break in the left frame was still developing in 2 of my copies with the adjacent flaw, it would appear that the adjacent flaw came first. The mysteries are:-

how could the adjacent flaw disappear without also repairing the very large break?

what happened to the small notch at the base of the left frame?

Perhaps, when I've finished my current task, I should put this on the other thread & see if we can get more examples. I obviously shouldn't have raised this question here in the 1st instance.

Manfaelife

It's great to see you contributing to the wiki, but 2L26 can't be right. The illustration in the checklist shows the whole corner missing.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Sat Jul 14, 2012 17:14:55 pm

mobbor wrote:

Manfaelife

It's great to see you contributing to the wiki, but 2L26 can't be right. The illustration in the checklist shows the whole corner missing.

Sorry I just assumed that this strip with 2L27 on the right meant the other 2 had to be 2L25 & 2L26, as I say above the 2L26 the corner is badly worn on the later printing, the one I showed must be an early printing, or even a state 1, but I felt I had to put it on wiki anyway.

mobbor · **Posted:** Sat Jul 14, 2012 18:24:10 pm

Manfaelife

Can't argue with that. It's good to have an early state (not that it would be identifiable as a single) & it does say "badly worn in late printings".

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the late state to add.

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 02:01:56 am

mobbor wrote:

GUTTERS

Back to 4R13.

I agree, there has to be 3 states & apparently both 2 & 3 occurred in brown since there is no reference to the flaw in black-brown in BW.

Given that the break in the left frame was still developing in 2 of my copies with the adjacent flaw, it would appear that the adjacent flaw came first. The mysteries are:-

how could the adjacent flaw disappear without also repairing the very large break?

What are you calling the adjacent flaw?

1. The notch on the inside of the frame above the large break.
or
2. The couple of the shading lines that are damaged.

what happened to the small notch at the base of the left frame?

Leave this for the moment

Perhaps, when I've finished my current task, I should put this on the other thread & see if we can get more examples. I obviously shouldn't have raised this question here in the 1st instance.

mobbor · **Posted:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 05:27:53 am

GUTTERS

2, I think.

Here's another copy with the break not fully developed & the 'adjacent' flaw.

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 13:24:36 pm

Mobbor on your first image (right image)
The state 1 flaws look different. Maybe /Maybe not

Bottom blue line is close to be being below top frame break.
Green line above the break in the frame.

No notch in the bottom frame

On your second image (left image)
The state 1 flaws looks more like the image in the 1-14 book

Bottom blue line is below the inside break of the frame, so is the hanging part went the blue line would be below the break.

Green line the frame is above the line.

It has the notch in the bottom frame.

Possibility's, Image 1 is another position

mobbor · **Posted:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 16:54:36 pm

GUTTERS

I would agree it's possibly a different position except for the illustration in the checklist which shows a very similar adjacent flaw. The difference is that the break in the right frame is much larger.

I think the ink flaw in the inner margin is a bit larger, but in the same place.

Looking at the way you've compared the 2 cliches I'm now thinking that maybe the 'adjacent flaw' didn't disappear: it just co-alesced with the frame break.(????)

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 01:03:32 am

What do we have for watermarks ?

mobbor · **Posted:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 05:44:06 am

Something else I didn't check & I'm not sure it's significant, but the 4 copies where there is a separate 'adjacent' flaw are single watermark. The one without is large multiple.

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Mon Jul 16, 2012 20:45:38 pm

mobbor wrote:

Something else I didn't check & I'm not sure it's significant, but the 4 copies where there is a separate 'adjacent' flaw are single watermark. The one without is large multiple.

C111 was a thought but to low

mobbor · **Posted:** Tue Jul 17, 2012 06:11:00 am

GUTTERS

From the illustrations in BW & the checklist I have no doubt that both versions are 4R13.

None of my copies are exactly the same as that shown in the checklist- the break is never fully developed- but there is no mistaking the additional flaw. It's just tying the 2 together that's difficult. On 2nd thoughts I don't think they co-alesced- the resulting break would have been even larger.

Regards

Barry_E · **Posted:** Sat Aug 25, 2012 09:37:01 am

1R50 st2 cracked electro

Greg Ioannou · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 03:25:15 am

Here's one you don't have: 1R25.

Shading on King's neck: breaks in 2nd and 3rd lines (counting forward from back of the neck) 2.0 mm from lower ends. The upper part of the break on the 3rd line is bent sideways and joins the 4th line.

This copy is large multiple wmk.

Greg

Greg Ioannou · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 03:44:07 am

This 1R29 shows the flaw on the R in Australia a bit more clearly than the copy you already have:

Greg

JohnBenn · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 00:42:09 am

Hi Gutters this is a 2L3.Please let me know if you need a better image.

"This has on the top frame "a small upward protrusion for 0.5mm beginning 1.25mm to the right of the crown"." - Mobbor.

mobbor · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2012 16:34:25 pm

1L1 State 1

mobbor · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2012 16:37:12 pm

mobbor · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2012 16:40:17 pm

mobbor · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2012 16:42:42 pm

mobbor · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2012 16:44:57 pm

mobbor · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2012 16:47:34 pm


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