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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 13:57:09 pm 
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muruk,

It's not a strictly Australian phenomena. This also occurs in Canada.
Prices fluctuate during the weekdays and they tend to increase right before a weekend and especially before a long weekend.
The excuse that I have heard for this is that an increase in price is a result of an increase in volume.


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The excuse that I have heard for this is that an increase in price is a result of an increase in volume.

That would make petrol unique ... anything else gets cheaper when quantity sold increases (possible exception of Coca Cola). :?

Excuse is right.

Imagine the petrol companies telling us that prices are put up at times of maximum sales in order to increase profitability.

I'm making an assumption here that it is the petrol companies or service station operators that are manipulating the prices. I can't see the government changing the excise on a daily basis.

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I'm making an assumption here that it is the petrol companies or service station operators that are manipulating the prices.


No kidding!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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muruk, you are confusing the levels of government. The excise is a Federal tax and the roads are a State matter. The excise on Petrol used to be indexed, going up automatically (based on CPI). That stopped in 2000/1.

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No, not confusing them, just didn't explain enough.

Roads are funded by a mixture of local government (rates), state, and federal funds.

Most of the state money we see at local government level is in fact "federal funds administered by the state". That way both the federal and state members of parliament can bignote themselves over any road project.

I haven't seen a recent analysis, but I believe it is still true that the money collected in fuel excise exceeds the money allocated to roads. That's what upsets me as a motorist.

PS: I also believe we have too many levels of government.

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I keep track of my fill-ups on a website. It keeps track of all the info for me. Here is the link to my page showing the price I paid for my last tank of gas, and the average price of fuel since I bought this car:

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/blackv/veloster

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$3.85 per Gallon for 92 Octane. it will continue to rise here through Independence day (July 4th) as many people vacation and hit the roads for the holiday.

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In Chennai, its 76.50 Rupees (1.35US$) per litre petrol

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Todays price is $1.18/L.


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$3.85 per Gallon for 92 Octane. it will continue to rise here through Independence day (July 4th) as many people vacation and hit the roads for the holiday.


Is that plus state and/or federal taxes?

Otherwise that works out to $1.01 cent per litre. But bear in mind, a US gallon is 3.8 litres whereas an Imperial gallon is 4.54 litres.


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I filled today where the sign said '$1.17' in huge lit up letters. Lowest I have seen it for ages.

Sadly when I got to pump it was about $1.35 as my car insists on a higher octane than whatever the cheapie E-10 billboard price is. I do not know what 'E-10' is but I am not risking it in my engine.

That USED to be about 10% extra, but not these days. :twisted:


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E10 is a 10% blend of ethanol with petrol. It is cheaper because ethanol is not taxed in the same manner (yet!).

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I checked all around today, but no one had any "petrol" or anyone that sold "liters". I had to settle for "gas" at US$ 3.18 per US gallon. :mrgreen: .


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This is the article in last Wednesday's Herald Sun about fuel prices. We're still paying $1.51.9/litre here in Lockington.

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Saw it for , I think, $1.219 this afternoon here in Melbourne.

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That really sucks!!

Hubby does nearly 1,000 klms per week to get to work and back. These prices are killing us!!

Who is making the profit? Certainly not the local service station! The price here in Lockington is dictated by the monopoly supplier in Echuca. The Lockington supplier has no say in the matter.

I remember some time ago, someone trying to get a "don't buy fuel today" protest going. The only trouble is, that the only person it ended up hurting was the local service station!

And the government doesn't really care what the "rest" of the people are paying because

A: they are making so much money from the GST
B: they don't have to pay for fuel themselves anyway. Read..I have a Government funded fuel card and I can go anywhere I like...so there!

Hey, I'm not saying that every politician abuses his fuel card like that, but enough do, that adds on thousands to the annual bill.

Oh well, I will just keep paying whatever price because we have NO choice!

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Saw the price yesterday in Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA was US$3.69/gal (roughly $0.97/L) which in a global perspective is quite reasonable. :evil:

Paid the same price on the coast of Oregon last week.

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I remember some time ago, someone trying to get a "don't buy fuel today" protest going. The only trouble is, that the only person it ended up hurting was the local service station!


The way to do this is not to pick one single day, but one oil company, and boycott their products. Maybe pick the one where the price is always a penny higher than the competitors.

And carry on not buying their fuel for a period of months until it has an effect.

Of course, with anything like this, everyone says it's a great idea but then nothing happens....


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I usually buy petrol by the firkin at the local Kroger (supermarket) station where one earns discount points with grocery purchases. Every dollar spent earns one point. Every hundred points gets a dime off the gallon price. This month I earned 300 points. The next step is to show up with an empty tank. So, the nominal price was $3.169 the gallon. Take off 30 cents and it was down to $2.869, making the firkin just a bit over $31.00. I present the firkin price in cash to the attendant (I bought 2 firkins this time) and ask him to set the pump for 2 firkins. It's a lot of fun. Another game is to plunk down some amount, say $40.00, and ask for, say, a third of a tank. All this frequently leads to confusion for the astute and imaginative attendant. Meanwhile, you can also go in and ask for a certain number of gallons, say 10 gallons. More often than not, the attendant will reach for a calculator to figure the cost of 10 gallons. It's a fun world. I like the firkin game the best.

Meanwhile, the continued use of mils is something no one understands. It may have made some difference when gas was a dime a gallon, but not any more. Buy exactly one gallon at $3.999, tender $4.00 and demand change. In our litigious society, I'm surprised someone hasn't filed suit for the odd mil.


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The duopoly Supermarket chains both have large numbers of petrol stations here. Each gives 4c a litre discounts for (I think) $40 or more spent in the supermarket. So, $1.219 equates to $1.179 with the discount.

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The duopoly Supermarket chains both have large numbers of petrol stations here.


So, an organised boycott of one or other of those chains would have a SIGNIFICANT effect. And not just on petrol prices :wink:


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Won't work and it is not the retailers making the profits. The discounting of fuel is, as much as anything, a loss leader for the supermarkets.

There have been repeated Federal inquiries into fuel pricing over the years. No-one has ever been able to prove any sort of price manipulation or price gouging.

The simple fact is that nobody likes paying too much for petrol. I remember when it was worthwhile to put $2 worth of petrol in my car (back in the 1970s, admittedly). Now it takes $70 plus to fill the tank. I can probably afford the $70 today better than teh $2 of 1977. :D

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Won't work and it is not the retailers making the profits.


Certainly won't work if nobody tries it - and it's largely a "publicity" issue anyway - get the media involved and who knows what's possible :idea:

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I remember when it was worthwhile to put $2 worth of petrol in my car (back in the 1970s, admittedly).

My dad used to put 4 gallons in his Ford Anglia, give them a £1 note and let me have the few coppers change - that was probably late 1960s. Happy days!!!


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This year in Canada there was an attempt to boycott purchasing gas for a day.
Did it work? Well, the prices are a reflection of that.

Anyway, here is a link to a news story about the boycott.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-C1yNXFNA8


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The School holidays commence in this State tomorrow. Yesterday, the price of petrol went up 17c. Unleaded was $1.389 a litre yesterday morning

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Well PeterS hope you're not planning on going "North Victoria" for the school holidays!
Petrol dropped to $1.48.9 / Litre here today...WOW...3c a litre off! And it's school holidays.

That's the cheapest we've had here for months.

We are also between a rock and a hard place here! Our Servo is the only one in town. We could boycott other towns around here (like Echuca or Rochester) but to boycott the servo here would nearly be the end of the town!

If people went to another town to get fuel...well, they also do their shopping there.

A catch 22 situation..damned if I do and damned if I don't!

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Still US$3.18 per US Gallon

One of the supermarket chains - Kroger - has their own gas stations at some locations.

Members get 3c off/gallon. The loyalty card is free.
For every $100 spent in the store in one month, you get 10c off/gallon.
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I am sure that when I bought fuel in Los Angeles a few years ago the price advertised was $2.28 per gallon. But when I filled up and went to pay, my receipt showed 15% state tax and 15% Federal tax added on. Is this still the case or do gas stations advertise the price including state and fed taxes?

Is the English price inclusive of VAT or plus VAT?


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Can't say I ever bought gas in the US, Canada or Mexico where the taxes were not already added to the price advertised. That's strange that you had the taxes added after you pumped the gas. Glad I don't live in LA. :lol:

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All the places at which I have purchased in the USA have all taxes included in the price. Unless my memory is going, the same applied to France, Switzerland, Belgium, Italy when I lived in Europe years ago.

BTW, the prices I have quoted are for 87 octane fuel.


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All taxes (Excise and GST) are already included in the price per litre paid in Australia. There are no State taxes on fuel any more, they went with the introduction of the GST (Goods and Services Tax of 10%) in 2001.

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Is the English price inclusive of VAT or plus VAT?


Our prices include 20% VAT - and about another 50% of various "duties", taxes, a levy for the huge "global warming lie" and a little bit more because the Prime Minister chose to wear blue socks today. :twisted:

Without the various "Government Gouges", we'd be paying about 50p per litre.


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All the places at which I have purchased in the USA have all taxes included in the price. Unless my memory is going, the same applied to France, Switzerland, Belgium, Italy when I lived in Europe years ago.

BTW, the prices I have quoted are for 87 octane fuel.


Here in Perth, Western Australia, the pump price tomorrow will be $1.17 per litre of 91 Octane unleaded petrol. We can't get anything lower in Octane level. Wednesday is the end of the weekly price cycle here so it's also the cheapest.


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$1.16.9 today as I passed didn't fill, still had 3/4 of a tank from last week cheap days

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PeterS wrote:

All taxes (Excise and GST) are already included in the price per litre paid in Australia. There are no State taxes on fuel any more, they went with the introduction of the GST (Goods and Services Tax of 10%) in 2001.


Indeed part reason for the massive recent landslide vote against the sitting state Government in QLD was that they REMOVED a long standing state SUBSIDY on petrol?

Oddy, rather unpopular and pretty dumb, leading up to an Election!

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£1-53 pence per litre in Dumfries and Galloway.


Wow, that's expensive.

Here in Hamilton I'm "only" paying £1.309 for diesel with petrol (gas to our friends on the other side of the "pond") 3, or 4, pence cheaper.

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Today the price is $1.17/L.

In Canada, the federal tax on fuel is constant while provincial taxes vary between provinces. In addition to this, some municipalities add their own fuel tax.

Here is a link to Wikipedia's, Fuel Taxes in Canada.

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In Canada, the federal tax on fuel is constant while provincial taxes vary between provinces. In addition to this, some municipalities add their own fuel tax.


We introduced a 10% Goods and Services Tax (GST) in Australia, in 2001, with the intent of doing away just these sorts of inefficient, variable, State imposts. The revenue is split amongst the States, on a formula that means nobody is happy (so it is probably close to right).

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Hi there,

I fill up with diesel which has been selling here in Stawell country Victoria for over $1.50 for the past few months. Well to my surprise Sunday I noticed that it had dropped 10 cents to $140.9, unleaded also dropped and is 2 cents cheaper than diesel. I was amazed as with all the hoo haa regarding the carbon tax I was expecting fuel prices to go up not down. No doubt I filled up immediately as I can't see this lasting long and prices here in Stawell very rarely fluctuate and have only been rising steadily for ages. I am heading to Melbourne today so it will be interesting to see what the prices are there.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:39:23 am 
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Just got back from two weeks' vacation in the eastern US, we paid under $3.50/gallon most places. I live in Omaha and paid $3.15 yesterday.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 05:47:44 am 
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Today the price is $1.22/L for regular 87 octane level.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 00:36:51 am 
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Has been $1.13.9 for the last 3 days, that is with the 4c discount.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 09:43:53 am 
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Gas(oline) is still $3.15 - $3.19 per US gallon for 87 octane fuel.

I've been looking diligently for "petrol" but I don't think we sell it here as it is pretty expensive from what you have been saying :mrgreen:


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In Romania unleaded 95 is 1,57 USD/liter or 1,27 Euro/liter


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 05:46:51 am 
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Britcollector wrote:
...the prices I have quoted are for 87 octane fuel.


Jeez, I can pee stronger than that :shock:

95 and 98/99 are the standard octane ratings for petrol/gasoline here in the UK...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:25:19 am 
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Gavin, so can I. But, against all odds, the US congress passed a measure years ago that mandated that by (some time ago) all standard cars have to run run well on 87 octane.

I have a Crown Victoria with:
- 4,606 cc 4.6 liters V 8 engine
- Unleaded fuel 87
- Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 25 and EPA city (mpg): 18
- Power:240 HP SAE. That is the optional engine.

It has the digital dash readout option so I can say that it gets 18 mpg in daily driving but about 27 mpg on the Interstate Highways running at 70-75 mph.


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