Are these the New Zealand stamp "Chambon Perforations"?

sherro · Post by **sherro** » 05 Apr 2009 11:23

Incredibly, I find myself missing this very common stamp from the set. Can anyone help?

iomoon · Post by **iomoon** » 05 Apr 2009 12:18

OK, an 8d Rata, but rather mint not VFU.

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Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 05 Apr 2009 12:49

Here are both types.

If you haven't found one yet, you can have the one on the left for free -- just email me your mailing address. The one on the right is the rare Chambon perf (note the tiny perf halfway down each side). That guy is $10 Australian if you want it as well.

Greg

sherro · Post by **sherro** » 05 Apr 2009 13:34

Thanks Greg, email on the way!

I wasn't aware of the Chambon perf variety until you pointed it out. I have the 1d value with that perf. Which catalogue lists these? My SG doesn't.

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 05 Apr 2009 13:52

Campbell Patterson lists it.

The ½d ($32), 1d ($19), 2d ($19), 3d ($19), 4d ($19), 6d ($28), and 8d ($32), come with that CHAMBON perforation.

Catalogue values are for mint copies, in NZ dollars.

Greg

sherro · Post by **sherro** » 05 Apr 2009 14:17

Cheers Greg. Having now learned something today, I can go back to bed!

RolyRJ · Post by **RolyRJ** » 06 Apr 2009 14:21

Got a mint one for you if you like
Best email me

Cheers

Roly

sherro · Post by **sherro** » 06 Apr 2009 15:13

All done and dusted thanks Roly. Greg helped me out.

RolyRJ · Post by **RolyRJ** » 06 Apr 2009 16:14

Great, and assume you have the 7c decimal equivalent?

sherro · Post by **sherro** » 06 Apr 2009 17:42

Yep, no problem with that one. Thanks anyway 8)

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 02 Jun 2009 21:33

Roly and or Greg.
Are there any different perforations in those stamps in question other than the one in question??
Very interested,
Frank.

Post by **admin** » 02 Jun 2009 22:07

Greg Ioannou wrote:
Campbell Patterson lists it. The ½d ($32), 1d ($19), 2d ($19), 3d ($19), 4d ($19), 6d ($28), and 8d ($32), come with that perf. Catalogue values are for mint copies, in NZ dollars.

Greg

Great info - I too have never heard of these!

Glen

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 02 Jun 2009 23:07

lafaronau wrote:Roly and or Greg.
Are there any different perforations in those stamps in question other than the one in question??
Very interested,
Frank.

Just the Chambon -- the scan above shows the difference really clearly. Apparently some Chambons have the odd perf in the middle too thick rather than too thin, but all the ones I've seen have it too thin.

It's an easy variation to spot once you know to look for it. No gauge necessary at all.

Greg

sherro · Post by **sherro** » 03 Jun 2009 02:40

Agreed, very simple to spot when you know what you're looking for!

How did this perf come about? I haven't seen anything else similar. Did the perforator do horizontal and half vertical with an overlap?

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 03 Jun 2009 02:52

sherro wrote:Agreed, very simple to spot when you know what you're looking for!

How did this perf come about? I haven't seen anything else similar. Did the perforator do horizontal and half vertical with an overlap?

There was no overlap, which was the problem. The holes were supposed to line up exactly, and they didn't, resulting in the one narrow (or occasionally wide) perf. Presumably the perforator got it right some of the time -- it wouldn't be possible to spot those ones.

They are really rare in blocks.

Greg

COLIN · Post by **COLIN** » 03 Jun 2009 04:46

Bugger

Here i go again, back to the scratch box

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 03 Jun 2009 05:01

COLIN wrote:Bugger

Here i go again, back to the scratch box

They turn up often enough to make it worth looking for them. I found all but one value just looking through my "duplicates." It is obscure enough that you can be pretty sure no-one has been through any stock you may have to look for them.

Greg

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 03 Jun 2009 09:02

Hi Greg

On going through my spares I found some holes only matched half way the other half points were in holes,others had holes slopeing different ways from middle of stamp.

Frank

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 03 Jun 2009 10:03

Can you show us?

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 03 Jun 2009 11:35

Greg
Am in process of putting a scan together if all goes well should be there by evening.still have a pile to look at.
Frank

crosscrescent · Post by **crosscrescent** » 03 Jun 2009 14:47

Interesting to know. Never seen any of these stamps but now I know where to look if I spot one.
Thanks for sharing the information.

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 03 Jun 2009 15:31

Hope this works.
Frank.

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 03 Jun 2009 15:37

I found in the 3pence there are two different shades and two different sizes.
Frank.

RolyRJ · Post by **RolyRJ** » 03 Jun 2009 17:13

Ahhh weelll Bang goes one of New Zealand's best kept secrets

Here is the full story courtesy of Campbell Paterson Handbook of New Zealand Stamps.
EVERY NZ collector should have one !!!!!

Cheers

Roly

COLIN · Post by **COLIN** » 05 Jun 2009 04:46

Well thanks to this I am the proud owner of examples of Chambon perfs of the ½d, 3d and 8d.

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 05 Jun 2009 04:58

Colin, very nice. Three down four to go, eh?

Greg

COLIN · Post by **COLIN** » 05 Jun 2009 05:05

Greg Ioannou wrote:Colin, very nice. Three down four to go, eh?

Greg

Digging and sorting as we speak.

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 05 Jun 2009 05:09

Interesting that all three of yours are also too thin. The thick one seems to be quite a bit harder to find, for no obvious reason.

Greg

crosscrescent · Post by **crosscrescent** » 08 Jun 2009 13:43

I went searching and found a couple of the 3d and found a 8d in a bunch of stamps that was going for RM6 from a local dealer. A really lucky find. Will scan them later for confirmation here. Thanks for the information and happy hunting to those out there looking at their old N.Z. stamps.

Cheers
Andrew

Lakatoi 4 · Post by **Lakatoi 4** » 08 Jun 2009 15:00

I knew I'd seen something on the Chambon perf.

This is some detailed info. from "The New Zealand Stamp Collector", Vol. 43, No.1, February 1963:

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 08 Jun 2009 16:24

Well they are now in 8p
Frank

sherro · Post by **sherro** » 08 Jun 2009 21:11

Fascinating. Nice detective work Tony. Of course, as the article says, "in use for about six to eight weeks", meaning these things should be very scarce. Yet, a quick search by a number of boarders has turned up quite a number. I haven't checked mine yet!

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 17 Jul 2009 16:41

Is this what we were looking for??

Greg Ioannou · Post by **Greg Ioannou** » 17 Jul 2009 23:08

That's quite a haul, lafarounou.

The one thing I don't understand about these is why there seem to be so many more with a thin perf than there are with a thick perf. Logic would suggest that there would be equal numbers of each.

Maybe the thin perf ones are just easier to spot?

Greg

RolyRJ · Post by **RolyRJ** » 17 Jul 2009 23:46

SNAP Greg

The narrow ones are very much easier to spot. I have seen them so narrow it looks at first glance like a pulled perf except for the minutest wee pip of a perf in the middle.

Incidently, the most extreme examples command about 10% over the "normal" (what ever that may be ) ones.

Cheers

Roly

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 18 Jul 2009 09:52

Hi Greg
Will admit was easier spotting the small perf.
I only picked the bigger ones that stood out,others were iffy,I wasn't going to split hairs over them.
Frank

CHzug1291 · Post by **CHzug1291** » 29 Jan 2010 17:01

Hi Roly.....am I on the right track...?

Cheers

Peter

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 29 Jan 2010 17:51

Hi CHzug1921
You are on the right track,all are small perf verity.
Frank.

CHzug1291 · Post by **CHzug1291** » 29 Jan 2010 18:13

Many thanks Frank!

Now I keep on searching!

Cheers

Peter

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 29 Jan 2010 18:48

Peter
Keep an eye out for the big perf,you soon learn what to look for while you are searching.
May i ask how you are conducting your search?
Frank.

RolyRJ · Post by **RolyRJ** » 29 Jan 2010 19:27

Yes 100% Peter,

Coincidentally I have a few of theses Chambons in the For Sale forum at the moment

And.... I was about to email you on another topic also to do with this series !

Great minds think alike me thinks.

Give me a day or two and I will email with what I have.

Cheers

Roly

CHzug1291 · Post by **CHzug1291** » 29 Jan 2010 19:31

I know Roly, that's why I checked mine !!!!! I am looking forward to your mail!

Cheers

Peter

CHzug1291 · Post by **CHzug1291** » 29 Jan 2010 19:40

May i ask how you are conducting your search?
Frank.

...with the magnifying glass off course!

Have you got any other suggestion?

Peter

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 29 Jan 2010 20:15

Peter
You must be doing one stamp at a time ,what do you compair it to.
Look at my 1st post,put curser on stamps ,hold down CTRL and hit plus key at same time
, hit plus 3 or4 times then look at my scan and you might be surprised at the results..
Frank.

CHzug1291 · Post by **CHzug1291** » 29 Jan 2010 20:26

You must be doing one stamp at a time ,what do you compair it to.
Look at my 1st post,put curser on stamps ,hold down CTRL and hit plus key at same time
, hit plus 3 or4 times then look at my scan and you might be surprised at the results..
Frank.

Frank: Magic man

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 30 Jan 2010 08:03

Peter
As quote., Paulene Hanson would say please explain. unquote
Frank.

Allanswood · Post by **Allanswood** » 30 Jan 2010 22:32

I've worked with windows for years and no one has ever told me that!

8)
"Minus"" works as well. I'll be!

Is there a limit? Might go find out.

edit yes 13 steps. Great!

PS Now I have to go look at every one of these NZ stamps. I could be weeks!

lafaronau · Post by **lafaronau** » 31 Jan 2010 08:19

Stamps will be around for a very long time .
Take your time you might miss something.
Never be adverse to takeing advice,try it if it works take notice next time.
I am still learning and will be till i die.
Frank.
PS; And that goes for every one on stampboard as well.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 01 Feb 2010 12:48

Thanks guys! Good grief - I've got some of these flowers. To think I thought them somewhat "boring-looking" stamps! I'm gonna go have a looksie with the magnifying glass....

RolyRJ · Post by **RolyRJ** » 01 Feb 2010 13:10

Damn...........................

Like I said in a previous post Bang goes one of New Zealand's best kept secrets !!

Next you will be dragging them out again to look for:

* Perf 14½ x 13 Slot machine examples with sideways watermark
* Chalk surface paper Chambons (twice the CV of the original issue)
* Various omitted colours (CV's up to $1,500 !!)

And this is just for the 3d dull boring Kowhai flower

I will stop before too many secrets are revealed.................

Cheers

Roly