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Hi. my wifes uncle left his stamp collection to her. There are very old stamps from all over the world in there.

Countries that don't exist by that name anymore. a lot of these stamps are over a 100 yrs old. they're hinged in a book... but he did a fine job. he has 3 different william hardings in there(perf., imperf.).

My question is where to begin? It's overwelming. he has a postcard from the hindenburg, postmarked from it's next to last trip.

Anyway. we are overwhelmed. any insights on where to begin would be greatly appreciated.

Also. how do you guys take such up close pics? I was unable to do that with my digital cam.

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Hello utopia, and welcome to Stampboards. For people new to the hobby, it is an overwhelming subject. Even to we oldtimers it is, because there is so much involved - some people will devote 20 years or more just studying a single stamp issue, and it's possible varieties.

You have several options in evaluating and learning about what you have, but up front, if it is the potential value of the collection interests you, you need to know that between 90-95% of all stamps even early 20th Century ones and a lot of 19th Century ones still sell for pennies or less each.

1. Most libraries carry very recent catalogues, and you can research the subject yourself. Even 10 year old catalogues are still pretty accurate as to price for more common material, as prices have barely moved in that time. In your case it would be the Scott catalogue series.

Countries are listed alphabetically, in date issue order, and some detail and specific pricing information is given for pretty well every stamp ever issued.

If you take this option, and are primarily interested in a value for the collection, please be aware that the minimum catalogue value of $US0.20 is a "handling" fee, and not the value of the stamp. Most 20 cent stamps are virtually worthless.

2. You can check your phone book for stamp dealers, and take your album to one or more for evaluation - virtually every dealer who still has a shop front will give you a legitimate opinion as to the collection, and an appraisal for a small fee.

3. You can post some pictures here on Stampboards of some of your material and people will give you legitimate advice as to roughly what you have, and (subject to condition which cannot be confirmed without physical inspection of the stamps) a reasonable approximation of how interesting the items are and what they may be worth.

Most of the close up photos here are scanned rather than photographed, and most members here use photobucket to transfer the pictures from PC to the Board. I would recommend at this point however that you do not remove anything from the album for scanning. You needs to be very careful and know exactly what you are doing to avoid potential damage to the stamps.

4. Hindenburg covers are pretty popular, but not all that rare, but what you have sounds like a very attractive piece.

5. If you intend to keep and expand on the collection, you can make collecting as simple or as complicated as you like, as your interests grow and diversify.

Some people just accumulate different stamps (me for example), some people study them intensely. Others collect on a theme (animals, insects, boy scouts - whatever grabs their interest). Others still look at the history behind the stamp, or the events behind the reason for issuing it. It is a very individual hobby, and what you make of it is up to you as an individual.

It's fun, so enjoy.

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hi. my wifes uncle left his stamp collection to her. there are very old stamps from all over the world in there. countries that don't exist by that name anymore. a lot of these stamps are over a 100 yrs old. they're hinged in a book... but he did a fine job. he has 3 different william hardings in there(perf., imperf.). my question is where to begin. it's overwelming. he has a postcard from the hindenburg, postmarked from it's next to last trip.
anyway. we are overwhelmed. any insights on where to begin would be greatly appreciated. also. how do you guys take such up close pics? i was unable to do that with my digital cam.

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Welcome to Stampboards!

One of the first things you should do is visit your local library branch and see what is available for stamp collectors. Almost all branches in the US have (or have access to) SCOTT catalogues, which are the stamp catalogues that most North American collectors use as a basic reference. The SCOTT catalogues have a lot of information in them, including prices for stamps. Be advised, however, that it is VERY IMPORTANT that you read the introductory notes BEFORE you look at any of the prices. Also, if there are any other books available on stamp collecting that are not price catalogues, you may want to get a couple of them out as well. The more information you have available to you to start with, the easier it is to step into the hobby and understand a bit of what you are looking at. I also highly recommend you look around for a local stamp club. Members there will be able to answer questions you have and also be able to look at individual items you may need help identifying.

Once you have read a bit and then sorted through the collection, if you have any questions and if you can get the item scanned, you can post the image here and ask away. Members here are very generous with their assistance for new collectors.

Most of the high end images posted here are done with a flat-bed scanner, rather than a digital camera. Using the camera for your images requires a lot more skill to get distance and focus just right. Many members here also use www.photobucket.com to host their images for posting on this site. Photobucket will give you the appropriate image size for a forum post automatically (so your image is not so big that it makes everyone scroll left and right to see the full image). It is a free service and very useful. Check it out.

I know others will have more to add to this. Good luck and don't hesitate to ask your questions when you're ready.

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guys. thank you so much for your help and insights. i've walked into a stamp shop around here and always end up walking out... a little intimidated. i've done some research online and purchased a Scott's catalogue that only being U.S. like i said, he has lots of international pieces. maybe joining a local stamp club, like you mentioned, is a way to ease into understanding the language more. sincerely, ritchie

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Ritchie, you have made a good start. I still suggest that for the international material, try your library (don't buy the whole series of Scott - they are not cheap and do not have a great resale value) which will give you a really good feel for the international material in the collection.

Plus, AFIK, stamp dealers do not bite, and they love looking at newly discovered material, and talking about stamps. So, try again with the shop as well. :) :)

And feel free to ask questions here about anything. That's what we are here for.

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hi norm.one more question for now. i saw on glen's site that he had an australian orange/brown 2 pence stamp. i think it sold for $12,000 or something. is there something extra special about that one? like an error or something. the reason i ask... i have that stamp. sorry if this is a silly question. thank you

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sorry. i see now. he talks about it having the inverted watermark.

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I will be guessing here unless you have a link, but if memory serves me correctly it could be the King George V 2d Single inverted single watermark for which there are only about a dozen copies known.

Normally the watermmark is upright, but at least one sheet must have been inserted into the printer upside down so the watermark came out the wrong way up.

The normal 2d Orange is only worth a few cents.

See this thread for a view of the various Australian watermarks:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.ph ... ons#140708

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hi norm.one more question for now. i saw on glen's site that he had an australian orange/brown 2 pence stamp. i think it sold for $12,000 or something.

Is there something extra special about that one? like an error or something. the reason i ask... i have that stamp. sorry if this is a silly question. thank you

ritchie


Hi Ritchie ... Norm got it in one .. you might have seen one illustrated which had the watermark INVERTED ... that is why those get the big buckks!

Check yours . .you NEVER know!

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G-Day Ritchie.
Ron here. or Mr Boggler which ever,

Try getting the shops Phone Number and giving him a ring,explain what you have in brief,and say you would like to drop in with it for an expert evaluation,
This way making an appointment instead of wandering in off the street may make you feel more comfortable.

If you know the shops web site,? look it up. i.e.www.mindbogglers.com.au (Mine :roll: )
many ways to find the Holy Grail.but first step is to START.

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thank you everyone for your support. even though you guys are well versed in all of this, you still are taking the time to respond. lets here it for the philatelist!!!!

peace, ritchie
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Here is a page from the American Philatelic Society website where you can find all the stamp clubs (that are APS affiliates) in your state:

http://www.stamps.org/directories/dir_localclubs.htm

There is a LOT of excellent basic reading on this site, spend an hour with the largest collectors' group in the U.S.

If you visit a club, I suggest you do NOT tell the members you have just inherited a collection. Keep that under your hat for at least six months. Join the club, get acquainted, see how the hobby and the business works, attend their annual show, etc. If the highly enthusiastic collectors know you have a collection you might sell, they will pester you to death.

Just say you are thinking about starting to collect, and that is sufficiently true, more or less. Plus it protects your privacy and home security...


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If you visit a club, I suggest you do NOT tell the members you have just inherited a collection. Keep that under your hat for at least six months. Join the club, get acquainted, see how the hobby and the business works, attend their annual show, etc. If the highly enthusiastic collectors know you have a collection you might sell, they will pester you to death.


That's a very wise suggestion. When I joined the club just recently I should've done the same. However, I decided to risk and did the opposite, I had my own reasons. The pestering part is quite precise :lol: Now I'm thinking if I risked too much, but atleast I did not show any rare pieces to verify my story so...

Being pretty much in the same position as Utopia, I'm glad to hear all the advice here!

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Hi all,

Here's a website from the Virtual Stamp Club site about inheriting a stamp collection. Maybe it will be useful to those not aware of it already.
http://www.virtualstampclub.com/inherit.html

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Not withstanding, the posts of the above members, Step1 - decision to keep or sell. (From what you have indicated so far- you are willing to keep them, at least for the present.)

1. Work from the easiest to obtain information on. Probably the US stamps and forget about the rest. They will still be there next month, next year.

2. Start with oldest first, they have the best chance of being valuable. Many after about 1930 are still only worth pennies but some are quite valuable.

3. Learn about the various aspects of stamps of the period- watermarks, grills, etc. A 20c stamp may be $1000's if it has a different w/mk or grill.( similar to Glen's 2d KGV with inverted w/mk.)

IF YOU ARE NOT SURE- ask questions ( this board prefers with a scan and description).

4. When you are happy about your US?, move on to one other country, of which you have lots of stamps and work through the same procedure. With each additional country your knowledge of stamps in general will grow and you may wish to add to the collection and become a collector yourself.

5. To break the boredom of one country, take a break and do a country you only have a few of and get it out of the way. Research and find out before committing to a course of action.
Remembering that they are not going to do anything until you decide. In the meantime, look a the storage and care of stamps in this forum and provide them with a good home.

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Bill,

Very sage advice there. :!:

Thanks for taking the time to post this thoughtful response. :idea:

I'm sure many of our new and old collectors will benefit from that 8)


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Thanks for the pat on the back Gavin_H, my head has swollen to 2x its size with being called a sage. Although at first thought, I thought, you were calling me a herb. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Waroff ..... as you have now been officially recognised as a SAGE.perhaps you can join us on our Quest for the Holy Grail, :roll:

We are badly in need of spiritual advice,and looks as if you may be the best we have,,,,,so far, :?:


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Unfortunately I don't collect Monty pythons or Grail stamps, so would be of little use.
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You are definatly showing potential :wink:


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Waroffs not the Mesiah, he's just a very naughty boy...

also my sage is near dead from the drought - any more sage advice?


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I can put you in contact with Roger The Shrubber.perhaps he can save your Sage. :roll:


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Are these vixens related to Zoot. :?: :?:
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These are from Simon & Garfunkle's "Scarborough Fair"
...Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme
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Thanks for the light-hearted intermission there, guys!

Now, back to the plot...

...remembering that this is a Beginners' Forum, I think we should try not to derail the threads here too much - thanks.

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I think it is important for an inexperienced collector who has just been left a large collection to take a deep breath before diving in.

Remember that there is no hurry to do anything. Stamps may deteriorate over time with humidity etc, BUT they certainly don't have a "best before" date. So - don't let yourself be panicked into doing anything hasty.

If you have the space to store the collection safely (low humidity, cool, out of direct sunlight), then you can take as long as you want to examine different parts of the collection. Remember this piece of philosophy: "How do you eat an elephant? Cut it into small pieces".


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Too true... Gav-H. Party pooper.

Often with deceased estates, we feel we need to race off and clear things up. Often acting in a state of bereavement and not thinking all that straight.
Dealers love this sort of reaction, especially when the collection is moderate to very good. They offer a price which is fair to them and not necessarily the best for you.

By holding off a little and going through the process of sorting and assessing the collection, it may bring greater rewards in the long run.

The RAAMC (Royal Aust Army Medical Corps) motto comes to mind. PAULATIM = little by little. Take small steps at a time.

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