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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 14:44:23 pm 
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Having just received a new addition to my library, I thought I should list the Uglies reference works I have, in case anyone needs to refer to them. (Sorry, I'd rather not lend the entire volumes, but I'll copy/scan smaller relevant sections for anyone who needs them.)

Alwar
Alwar Handbook, Benns, India Study Circle, 1972
Bahawalpur
The Amirate of Bahawalpur, Postal History & Stamps (1932-1949), Isani, 2006
Bamra
Bamra Handbook, Benns, India Study Circle, 1982
Bhopal
Bhopal Handbook, Davies, India Study Circle, 1975
Bundi
- The Sacred Cows Issues of Bundi, Benns, India Study Circle, 1986
- Bundi, The "Sacred Cows" 1915-1941, Burgess and Sturton, (circa 1960)
Bussahir
Bussahir, Bateman (date?)
Cochin
- Stamps of Cochin, Luiz, 1972
- Cochin Postmarks and Cancellations, Pai, 1974
Gwalior
A Handbook on Gwalior Postal History and Stamps (1837-1950), Gupta, 1980
Hyderabad
- History of Postal Administration in Hyderabad, Nayeem, 1970
- Hyderabad Philatelic History, Nayeem, 1980
Jammu & Kashmir
The Stamps of Jammu and Kashmir, Staal, 1983
Soruth
Soruth Handbook, Wood and Meher, India Study Circle 1999
Wadhwan
Wadhwan Handbook, Benns, India Study Circle, 1990

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- Gibbons Part I 1941 (lists and prices the Bhopal reprints/imitations, Dhar missing frame line varieties, Jhalawar 'wove paper' varieties etc)
- The I.N.S. Illustrated Priced Catalogue of the Indian Native States, Burgess, (undated - circa 1960) (fairly simplified by today's standards, but has occasional useful snippets, like separate pricing of stamps showing watermarks for Jaipur SG 22-39)

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Tony, thanks for the list.
Are in the Benns series any mention about revenues?

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Hardly any, Jiri. I think there were a few passing references to revenue usages in the Sacred Cows book, but I can't find them after a quick search. (I've picked up a few revenue usages of the Sacred Cows over the years, more for the interest in the stamps themselves.)

The problem is that the revenues are such a huge field in themselves - as you know better than any of us :D

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Tony,
Know of any articles on kishangarh other than those on India Post?

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Zarif, I'm fairly sure that somewhere I have one or two old articles that refer briefly to aspects of Kishangarh, but I'm also fairly sure I don't have any significant resources. Sorry!

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Bibliography published by philatelic Congress of India some times back contains a list of Articles published in various Philatelic Journals. I have a copy of the book. I can give references on any particular state if required. And I will try to post the article also if in my collection.

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The India Study Circle library also has a huge collection of articles on the States - available to members, of course

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Any idea how I can go about getting at least a photocopy of the one on Amirate of Bahawalpur?

If it's not too much to ask, does it mention/have references to:

the 1949 UPU imperf pairs
The court fee waterlow specimen

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Safi, the Bahawalpur book is 422 A4 pages long. A photocopy ...

It does mention the imperf copies of the UPU set. The author says quantities printed are unknown, but in his experience the relative scarcity ratio for the Ordinary set is Perf 13 50 - Perf 17½x17 3 - Imperf 1. He also shows photos of the imperfs on cover, but some of his covers (elsewhere in the book, particularly) look dubious to me.

The book doesn't deal with Court Fees, although it does deal exhaustively with the 1933 1 Anna.

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Tony,

Is there anything about newspaper wrappers in "A Handbook on Gwalior Postal History and Stamps"? - two wrappers were produced in 1896 by overprinting the ½a and 1a Indian wrappers.

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Jan, I'm afraid the book only gives 5 lines to the wrappers. It basically repeats the information in H&G, with the comment 'These wrappers are very rare, particularly in mint condition.' I assume you've seen Ed Deschl's catalogue.

The India Study Circle (http://www.indiastudycircle.org/index.html) does have a very active group of collectors of Indian and Convention States postal stationery, and they've written extensively on the subject in the Circle journal India Post.

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Safi, the Bahawalpur book is 422 A4 pages long. A photocopy ...

It does mention the imperf copies of the UPU set. The author says quantities printed are unknown, but in his experience the relative scarcity ratio for the Ordinary set is Perf 13 50 - Perf 17½x17 3 - Imperf 1. He also shows photos of the imperfs on cover, but some of his covers (elsewhere in the book, particularly) look dubious to me.

The book doesn't deal with Court Fees, although it does deal exhaustively with the 1933 1 Anna.


422 pages long :o that's extensive! there must be quite a lot of insights in there then...

Thank you for taking the time to check on the UPU imperfs, good to have an idea about it's relative scarcity in comparison to the basic set as well as the perf variety.

Imperfs on postally used covers you mean? I also doubt that these imperfs did postal duty... but with the internal usage of postage in Bahawalpur, you never know...

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Some of the covers Insani shows have crazy frankings. They have very large amounts of postage that make no sense: several rupees worth of stamps on covers that appear to be straightforward single, or perhaps double, rate covers, without registration or insurance etc to account for the high values used. Some of the covers have typed addresses in fonts that I very much doubt were available in the late 1940s. I haven't been able to prove conclusively that the covers aren't genuine, but I wouldn't buy one.

On the other hand, Gibbons prices some of the simple basic letter rate 1½ Anna Service stamps (SG O13 and O18 for example) used at a fraction of mint prices. This suggests to me that these stamps were regularly used for postage, unlike the values on the covers in the Insani book.

A lot of the information in the book is probably perfectly OK, and very useful. However, I don't trust him when he gets onto used copies and copies on cover.

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Some of the covers Insani shows have crazy frankings. They have very large amounts of postage that make no sense: several rupees worth of stamps on covers that appear to be straightforward single, or perhaps double, rate covers, without registration or insurance etc to account for the high values used. Some of the covers have typed addresses in fonts that I very much doubt were available in the late 1940s.


Sounds more like covers prepared at a somewhat later period for philatelic purposes...

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And quite possibly a much later date ...

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Tony

Could you tell me the difference between the two books:

- History of Postal Administration in Hyderabad, Nayeem, 1970
- Hyderabad Philatelic History, Nayeem, 1980

Does the 1980 book cover pretty much all the material of the 1970 one as this link seems to imply?

http://www.stampsofindia.com/newssite/v ... ns-016.htm

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Meanwhile I would to add my two bits to the listing:

Deschl, E. THE COMPREHENSIVE INDIA STATES POSTAL STATIONERY LISTING. Published 1995

Meadows, A. J. M. THE INDIAN CONVENTION STATES POSTAL STATIONERY. Published 1982

Haverbeck, H. NEUES HANDBUCH DER BRIEFMARKENKUNDE HEFT 20: BAHAWALPUR. Published 1964

Mooss, N. S. THE TRAVANCORE ANCHAL. Published 1973

Nayeem, M. A. PHILATELIC AND POSTAL HISTORY OF HYDERABAD VOL II: POSTAL MARKINGS. Published 1967

Stewart-Wilson, C. BRITISH INDIAN ADHESIVE STAMPS SURCHARGED FOR NATIVE STATES PART II: JHIND, NABHA, PATIALA. Published 1898
(meanwhile there was a Part I too published in 1897 and also a revised edition in 1904 along with B.G. Jones).

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Tony

Could you tell me the difference between the two books:

- History of Postal Administration in Hyderabad, Nayeem, 1970
- Hyderabad Philatelic History, Nayeem, 1980

Does the 1980 book cover pretty much all the material of the 1970 one as this link seems to imply?

http://www.stampsofindia.com/newssite/v ... ns-016.htm

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The 1970 book is a fairly dry academic history, without any discussion of the purely philatelic aspects. There isn't any discussion of the actual stamps or postal markings, although it does provide some interesting background. Really only for the serious Hyderabad specialist.

You have some good books there. I don't take a very serious interest in postal stationery, but I've been looking, half-heartedly, for a copy of Deschl for ages.

I can add one more item to my list of references:
Statistical Account of Junagadh 1884, Being the Junagadh Contribution to the Kathiawar Portion of the Bombay Gazetteer, by Col. J.W. Watson, Bombay, 1884

It's very tatty, but it does contain a nice large map of the State. I haven't yet had a proper chance to read through it. When I finally get around to it, I'll report anything of interest that emerges.

The other volumes in the Kathiawar Portion of the Bombay Gazetteer, and other Portions as well, would be of interest, if they ever came to light!

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Tony,

Unfortunately I am not much interested in Indian states and I do not have many of these states-related books. However they are all available on second-hand book shops on the net.

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