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Firstly, apologies if I've added this post to the wrong thread. I'm relatively new at this caper.

I've just spotted a couple of "unmounted mint" high value roos listed by a seller called manumicheli on eBay today that have somewhat blurry images provided of the front of the stamps only.

When checking this seller's suspicious 99.1% feedback rating in Toolhaus, I see that the one negative and the associated response are in Italian. Can someone translate please?

All other reasoned comments on authenticity, legitimacy etc. will be welcomed.

Thanks.

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

Only on ebay could anyone be such a cretin as to load this pixellated piece of junk as a solo scan.

Only on ebay could anyone be stupid enough to buy it.

Both will occur of course.

Seeing 90% of ebay sellers refuse to SHIP to Italy, not sure if I'd be BUYING anything pricey from there.

Manumicheli's Ebay Negative says : using Google Translate

Alto valore rigommato. Promette rimborso e sparisce. Aperto Reclamo PayPal
High value rigommato. Promises reimbursement and disappears. Open PayPal Complaint

and Trader reply :

Non è sparito nessuno e l'importo è stato rimborsato dopo verifica della qualità
It is gone and no amount was paid after verification of the quality

I have no idea what 'rigommato' means !!

Dave

Thanks for your help DK.

I just realised that I know someone who is into stamps and speaks Italian.

I called him straight away and he told me that rigommato means regummed.

So that nails it for me! I wouldn't touch this manumicelli seller's "MUH" stuff with a barge pole.

This chat board is a great resource.

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

Non è sparito nessuno e l'importo è stato rimborsato dopo verifica della qualità

Translation:-

No one has gone and the amount was reimbursed after the quality was verified

Many thanks Brummie.

Your translation rings true from the point of view of the seller defending his position.

In any case, the fact that regumming has been mentioned in feedback is enough to scare me away from this seller, regardless of whether the buyer's outlay was reimbursed.

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

Wow, I'll have to be careful trusting Google translate (usually it gives me answers I understand), but what it says and what Brummie posts are totally different

Ahh, another seller of regums. Not one of the hydra heads of the 'usual suspects' identified on SB, as the seller is in eBay, but given all the hassles that seem associated with dealing with Italy, I wouldn't buy high-value items from there. Randomly choose an eBay listing, and chances are the seller will include a note "I will not ship to Italy or Russia". Dubious club to be in, yet both are G-8 members.

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Collecting Mongolia; Thailand; Indo-China; Mourning Covers; OHMS.
My online 'store': http://stampsfromaethelwulf.blogspot.com/

Would somebody be able to direct me to instructions on how to screen some sellers from eBay searches please?

I'm guessing that you may have covered this in one of the many threads available?

Apologies again if I'm adding this post in the wrong area but, from my limited perspective, this is a case in point.

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

In the advanced search options, scroll down to near the bottom of the page till you get to:



You can then save this search.

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Always on the lookout for Australian pre decimal First Day Covers.

If you use the advanced search option you can screen sellers in or out.

So far I haven't found a way to make this stick ... I need to set it up each search.

Maybe saved search will allow me to hold a screened search setting, but I haven't had a need to try that yet.

Edit: Thanks Pom, you snuck in while I was typing.

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Collecting Greater New Guinea & Macropods (Kangaroos & Wallabies).

Thanks The Pom and muruk.

You were both very quick off the mark!

I'll be setting aside some time to have a go at editing my saved searches to incorporate this refinement tonight. Seems I'll need to add quite a long list of suspect and dodgy sellers to each one of them.

I think I'll also keep an eye on the two "MUH" listings in question out of curiosity just to see how they pan out.

I figure that there may be a few others who now do likewise?

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

Well 'rigommato' - that is my new Italian word for today.

Would you have paid US $610 for this China - 1980 Year of the Monkey based on this excellent image????

Someone did.



It was item number 180640613509.

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180640613509

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At least he identified this one as (in his words): Spacefiller:fake,forgerie.Unmounted mint.

But he still got US $202,50.

Item number: 180641717380.

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0641717380



Let's face it you couldn't try to sell a real one on eBay. Could you?

Based on the feedback comment and his past sales I wouldn't buy a thing from him.

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We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

The real oen wouldn't sell and they fake would sell for $100's...

At least the re gummed roo is described as such.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &viewitem=

Manumicheli - got for this absurd cut down photocopy - US $1,035.00 - 24 bidders.

"The M/S has been damaged and lost some colour,see scan. Sold as it is."

Only on ebay can such brain dead morons walk the earth.

REAL sheets are this size and this colour.

Not sure what you mean by this as I can't see any references to re-gumming in the descriptions of the two current lots?

Or am I missing something here?

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

I was wondering if they were auction catalogue cutouts?

Italy is a difficult country to try and trace registered mail to and from. Get something mailed registered with a tracking number from say the US and you can ring Australia Post and they will tell you where it is on the spot. Italian registered and they can only put on a trace and it will take some two months for a response. Too late for paypal claims.

The poor buyer immersivee even gave glowing feedback to manumicheli for that Mei Lan Fang travesty.

Was not US$1035 well spent. Even the hideous mobile-phone photo in the desciption shows that the postmark doesn't even extend from the 'sheet' to the 'small paket' cut-out! The bidding record shows that about 4 different bidders fought for it over the $500 mark.

It is such an eye opener to see Glen's picture next to the horrible fake.

Henry Menken's famous quote 'No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public' can perhaps be extended to some Ebay bidders as well


Scott

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Collecting Greater New Guinea & Macropods (Kangaroos & Wallabies).

My guess is that it is a photocopy or auction cat cutout glued to a fragment of a genuine parcel piece, and this moron has used a drawing pin or similar to make a few rough perf holes.

Hopefully a few members will contact bunny of the CENTURY immersivee suggesting they read this thread. And they may still be able to get a refund.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27152

If they do, I hope they donate it all to Guide Dogs for The Blind.

With just over a day and a half to go, I see that six bidders have now pushed the price for the "10/ Kangaroo 1st wmk" described as "unmounted mint" up to $A812.

When the hammer falls and the winning bidder receives their stamp, is there any way that we can find out what they got?

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

It will of course sell for a lot more and it will of course be regummed.

Simple email the "Bargain Hunting" cretin buyer this link when feedback appears saying "GRATE STAMMP, AT BARGIN PRIC: I RILLY LUV UMNOUNTED ROOZ" - and suggest they send it back for an immediate refund is the wisest course.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27152&p=2016276#p2016276

99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the high value 1913 Roos are regummed you Bunny Buyer. You'd never know.

If you want to kiss a few $1000 bye bye ... well it is YOUR money!

Don't you collectors read ANYTHING??????????????????????!!!

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26320

Glen

It's described as this on the bidding page.

It was issued. On November 23th, 1968, the period of Culture Revolution, Ministry of Post and Telecommunications issued one stamp The Whole Country is Red. When the stamp started to be sold, in the same day, one editor of Sinomaps Press found they missed the Xisha Islands and the Nansha Islands on the stamps, he reported this to the Post and the issue was stopped. When it was stopped and how many are out there is anyone's guess.

Sam

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I asked if the 10/- was regummed and got this reply.

"Dear Sir, the stamp has full original gum and it is unmonyrd mint.I wish is?reaching more than A$ 1200 otherwise I am not going to sell it.
I enclose scan of the back.
Regards"

There was no scan of the back.

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Collecting predecimal Australian Used Blocks.

Thanks luke-coolhand.

At least you now know for sure that it is "unmonyrd mint". Can't find this word in my English or Italian dictionary.

I'm now going to ask for a scan of the back of the stamp as well to see what happens.

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

Ask him if it has an Expert Certificate re the gum.

And say you noted with interest his rare stamp was being discussed here -
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27152

He then might be interested to learn of other accounts of regummers being closed this month by ebay as we reported them -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17774&start=200

Thing is, all this is going to do is make collecting stamps a rip in the near future. Re-gummed, Little Grebe left in the sun. There must be a heap of people out there buying this excrement. And that 'heap' must be in the thousands, worldwide.

Sooner or later there is going to be a 'heap' of collectors find out, "ripped off", be it on their own heads or not, the feedback will be severly negative "to collect stamps".

On another note, this is all Ebay, what about Delcampe and Bidstart, is the sort of thing happening there.

Sam

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Rooboy,

Your £2 looks really similar to mine. Nice stamp.

Tim

I can only WISH it was my £2 stamp Didge!

This icon was provided by the administrators when I signed-up and volunteerd my Rooboy handle.

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

Rooboy,

No worries mate. Just being a bit cheeky. I am more than willing to share.

Tim

Well seeing Didge owns that very £2 roo, lets find Rooboy something equally striking!

Glen,

Now thats a screamer. Wish I owned that one.

Tim

It sold for $A90,000 Tim, so most of us would like that one.

And "MUH Lemmings" take note -- it had ZERO gum!

Thanks Global Administrator.

Shame about the short top left perf and tone spot!

And now back on topic methinks ................. before we get into strife.

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Rooboy
Always hunting Australian P-stamps

Interesting statement (highlighted). I wonder how eBay would feel about it?

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Hawthorn - AFL Premiers 1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 2008.

ebay will be delighted as there were 39 bids by brain dead "bargain hunters" pushing this undoubted re-gum up to $A1526 .. from an Italian seller "manumicheli" who has already beeen collared with selling regums via past feedback.

And recently selling a string of China fakes.

Don't these moron bidders ever READ past feedback?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&item=180655672431

Genius winner bidder d***d( 486) made first bid at $100, and final bid $A1526 with 2 seconds to go.

REAL DEALERS would sell this same stamp MLH for $100s less than that.

Lets hope when his glowing feedback appears to seller "manumicheli", he is emailed the link below to this thread - so he can hopefully get his money refunded ASAP -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27152




This was the sole scan this clown loaded.

Well I predicted correctly. Some genius paid $US810 for this. Guess what - "more money than sense buyer" - d***d (486) was again the Bunny Of The Month - making first and last bids.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... GGGNU%253D

Price for hinged this bad centred, from any REAL DEALER here - $400 or $450.

Glen, the statement I highlighted (which you must have accidentally left out of your quote of me ) was the one that said that he would not sell it if he didn't get a bid over $1,200. That implies he will withdraw it if he doesn't get such a bid. As far as I am aware, that is a breach of their policies.

Of course they will be happy if it sells, they won't care what the price is, since they will get their FVF and (probably) PayPal fees as well. If he pulls it they get nothing.

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Peter
Hawthorn - AFL Premiers 1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 2008.

There was also a bid on the item for $1,200 from a 1 feedback count bidder with a day to go.

Given his statement re a $1,200 minimum it has the smell of a shill bid about it.

Yep, that's what I assume has happened. Oh well, eBay will be happy as they will get their fees for the $800 odd 'successful' bid. If they were serious about not wanting shill biding, a simple forward of the email would/should see him in difficulty.

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Peter
Hawthorn - AFL Premiers 1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 2008.

Ha! What a detective. Our Italian has dug his own grave methinks by lifting the bid $400 in one move via his apparent shiller account. Please pass that onto ebay -

The buyer of these two likely regums was christoddd.

I remember thinking he was a shill bidder for marys-gems a couple of months ago, given his regular buys off them, but I take it all back - he's the real regum bunny deal. About a year ago I sent him an email about his marys-gems purchases but I never received a response.

He should have quite an impressive collection of high value Kangaroo regums by now.

A classic case of someone who should heed Glen's oft repeated warnings about early MNH roo's unfortunately.

If anyone with a monent simply passes on this link to christoddd

Hi - sorry to bother you - just thought you may be interested in this discussion that mentions you -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27152

He may be in time to ask for refunds via paypal?

This Italian crook "manumicheli" is now starting to get some bad feedback at last.

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=manumicheli&ftab=AllFeedback

He features in my next 'Stamp News' column -

http://www.glenstephens.com/snjune11.html

I hope some of the clueless buyers are sent this thread link to read up on.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27152

Glen

Mint Kangaroos are too sterile to interest me personally; sacrilege, I know. However, I feel compelled to make the following comments relating to "manumicheli".

In the 1980s and 1990s, my auction firm had a client situated in the Isle of Man. He would buy mounted mint or otherwise less than "perfect" (eg blunt or missing perfs.) key denomination Kangaroos. We, and other sharp-eyed auction catalogue devotees, including the late Simon Dunkerley, would await the rebirth of these same stamps, somewhat refreshed, sometimes with the letters "O" and "S" now present, in catalogues overseas, and sometimes within Australia. That buyer went under the name Dr Micheli, and was Italian (I met him once in Melbourne).

My only "fond" memory of the "Doctor" relates to an occasion on which he bought at auction a mint CofA wmk. £2, mounted of course. The stamp came back to us (no longer mounted, incidentally) with a note "badly creased", which wasn't mentioned in the catalogue description. I was fairly certain we wouldn't make such an obvious mistake, corroborated by four Trade members who our records indicated had inspected the stamp during pre-sale inspection. It appears the good Doctor had made an unfortunate slip of hand during the "refreshing" process. No, he didn't get a refund.

Historically, and I'm able to relate mainstream trading experience from the 1960s onwards, collections containing mint Kangaroos, in Australia and G.B. at least, where most of my experience has been gleaned, were presented on album leaves, the stamps hinged in place. On rare occasions, one might find an attached selvedge portion neatly folded under the stamp, which in turn would be mounted, rather than the stamp. The ratio of "unmounted" to mounted Kangaroos nowadays greatly exceeds the ratio of 50 years ago.

Rod, yes as you and others know my view on all the "MUH" high value roos on the market have been un-wavering for decades.

Most of them have gum added in the past 20 years or so.

The "MUH LEMMINGS" will only realise this when they sell. And then the dealers are all "mean" to tell them the truth.

Our "manumicheli" has had a bad run off feedback lately since my column!

The bargain hunting cretins who bought the "MUH" high value roos off him I hope get to see this thread one day.