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Hi Mobbor
I am the person who bought the stamp
However, the stamp is actually not BW 96(16)O - as the stamp shows a watermark line at right.





In fact I have another stamp also showing the lower frame missing, but again it is not 16R58 nor 16R59 , as this stamp (without OS puncture) has to be L60 or R60, which shows watermark line both at right and bottom....

The OS stamp is in a different position again as it doesn't show any watermark line at bottom.

Refer to ACSC, it does state that "an apparent example of variety is known showing line watermark at right, indicating it is not R58; this may be a third missing frame variety"

I am wondering if anyone would have any more information about this, especially regarding the footnote in ACSC... This will be much appreciated!

Thanks
Alex

I have not bought much commonwealth from Ebay recently as the things I want have been going for more than I can afford.

However, look what I received this morning it came with 3 other values the scan was unclear and I just wanted to add some bits to my poorly represented NW Pacific range for £2.00.

I believe I have a line through four pence flaw SG73c cat £375!!!

Had to show somebody.....



Also a couple of weeks ago I got these for £22, which is more than I would usually pay for a few individual stamps so there still are the odd bargains out there!

Yep, Line through Four Pence it is.

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Hawthorn - AFL Premiers 1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 2008.

A couple of good buys, there, Lundy

Hi alex_c_y1977

Thank you very much for your post. I did note the comment in BW & did consider it might be the unlocated one. And now it looks like there may actually be 2.

It's a shame most of the scans on Ebay are so poor. There's nothing in the 2007 edition of the BSAP checklist. However both 16L & R60 should be identifiable from other flaws:-
16L60- shading left of crown- left end of lines 15 & 16 (counting down) missing & line 17 broken one third of way from right. Also a 1mm line outside right frame near base.
16R60- 1st state in red & early brown- tiny downward notch on middle of foot of left limb of Á'of POSTAGE, Bottom frame- notch 3.25mm from left corner. Emu-circular flaw 1mm across at point where top of rear leg meets body (not always present).

Of course there is no reference to a missing frame on either cliche, but all these missing frames are somewhat mysterious.

Regards

It might be useful to have larger scans of both of stamps for the wiki if possible.

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mobbor

A lad in the local stampclub started collecting Aussie land - so I started scanning qxl.dk for good starting lots - stumpled upon this:

6 lots, AUD$5,48 per lot - total price with S/H: AUD$36,32








Kloster

I posted above about a lot that someone else won. It was valuable but I don't know what he paid for it. The successful bidder read my post & responded; which was quite a surprise.

I have just purchased a lot that included a $500 stamp for $5. Presumably this is the sort transaction that should be shown here. However I've decided this is probably a bad idea! The seller could be a member here &
a) I don't want to shove his loss in his face: &
b) I don't want to encourage him to check more carefully in the future.

What do you think?

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mobbor

Well if he doesn't memorise the image of every stamp he sells and you only show the single rarer stamp, how would he know?

Or don't show the rarer stamp, just the bit that makes it worth $500. I'm assuming its a KGV?


(Then again, if it was me, I'd remember my babies!)

Poor show Mobbor !!

I thought this board was about helping each other and looking after everyone's best interests. If someone on the board was selling some stamps that I saw was worth a LOT more than what they were asking I 'd probably tell them.

Hopefully other members would have this view as well.

Darrin.

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If we want to discuss the ethics of keeping quiet it can be discussed on this thread:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=16448&p

Let's just get back to whether a purchase was a bargain.

Perhaps mobbor could have made a separate post for his question.

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traralgon3844

You are quite right. I'd forgotten about the other thread. My apologies.

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mobbor

Got this GB postal stationery today. I paid 2€+ 1€ postage. Ok, card is overpaid for the destination to Germany, but still a rare postal stationery in used condition. Huggins& Baker 250£ or Michel 250€.

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Having done the wrong thing I suppose I'd better show the $5 stamp that I didn't want to.


The flaw between the emu's feet makes it the unlocated constant flaw 86(u)g.
BW says in a footnote it's believed to be a cracked cliche, but the new 1 1/2d checklist is not so ambivalent.

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mobbor

mobbor if you did not add the note as to WHY that stamp was allegedly worth $500 I'd have looked at your great scan above for 10 minutes and still not known.

You have that knowledge and most of us do not.

I have 100s of that same stamp on my Rarity Page now as a job lot - see scans below. I bought them off a member here who got them in an old stockbook with all kinds of notes pencilled on backs, and I will mail them unopened to the client who bought them on the weekend.

Do either of us know or CARE if the alleged $500 stamp is in there? Well I for one do not, as I made a buck on the deal, and IF there is a decent flaw in there, good luck to the new owner! I suspect the member here feels the same as they cost him near zero.

I learnt 30 years back not to waste 2 hours time peering at those kind of lots.

I just used his scans, and did not open the packet. Those with good eyes like yours will always benefit - as my motto goes - "Knowledge Is Power"

Hi Glen

That's my type of lot.

The flaw, as I did say, lies between the emu's feet. Perhaps it doesn't look much like a crack, but they come in all shapes & sizes. The checklist has 3 illustrations- this is similar to 2nd state. It got even thicker, though apparently didn't extend further.

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mobbor

The next trick is getting someone to actually pay $500 for it....

I agree Woodster, a stamp is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

D.

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Hi Mobbor,

I have to say I found nearly all my better stamps in such junk lots, like cracked plates, single line 1/2ds or a rusted cliche and I think if the seller doesn`t recognize that, he can not really be angry or disappointed.

Greetings from Germany

I would have to agree with josto. My 3 rarest and most valuable stamps were part of a small lot which I picked up in Ebay for $US12. Those 3 stamps have catalogue value of $US300 each. (Of course, I would have to find a buyer for them. But with fewer than 3 or 4 copies known of each, it would not be too difficult to do.)

As Glen says, Knowledge is Power.

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Marty

Nice found mobbor!
To be honest I wouldn't care whether I can find another buyer for $500. If I find something worth $500 for $5, I keep it and wouldn't sell anyway! And at least I don't have to pay $500 for it in the first place.

Cheers
Alex

Good to see this thread is alive & well again. I don't think I disagree with any of those comments.

The stamp is not for sale. To me it's value lies in enhancing my collection. If the stamp was for sale I doubt whether I'd get $500, but it's hard to know. There is of course a small demand for this sort of stuff, but it only takes 2.

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mobbor

A auction just closed. I was the winner, the seller (9000+ deals sucessfull) wrote that the total CV was about 5500 Dkr (Stanley Gibbons) the hammer dropped at 50 dkr, Shipping + handeling was 25 dkr.

The description was - 5 booklets (usaly some 25ish pages per booklet)

He had only scanned the front page of the 4 booklets, so I'm looking forward to see the entire lot hehe

In anycase there's a 14 days no questions asked return policy



Kloster

Nice on Kloster

Well a postcard arrived today. I was very nervous about this one and took a big risk.
Paid $65 buy it now for it and if I were wrong, it would be bunny status for me.



Not the best image but I was 50% sure it was a die II
Ebay Image


My Scan Today
PHEW!!!



Now up to 2x Die II Postcards , rough and smooth and 2x Die II covers rough and smooth.

So far about even for bargain status.
Die II Smooth paper Postcard = $9.99
Die II Rough Paper Postcard = $65.00
Die II Smooth paper taxed cover = $145.00
Die II Rough paper Cover = .99 pence

This item wasn't exactly from an auction, but I still consider it an online bargain.

KGV Silver Jubilee complete to 249 stamps MLH for $675 US. Have found one variety that catalogues for £110, one for £200...I'd say with two stamps being worth the the rest is a bargain!

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I got these Canada KGVI pictorials VF MVLH from 1938 for $50 CAD (Unitrade 2011 $252.00 CAD).



It's also a real life auction, but since I can submit bids online, I think it counts.

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Lover of all things KGVI.

I saw this C of A W/M Roo on fleabay priced at £209.00 just before it finished. Questions had to be asked about the black mark at lower right. The seller didn't get back to me until after the auction had finished and it was unsold. He confirmed the mark was on the mount.



This arrived in the morning mail. The postman actually bought it to the door. Nice fresh looking stamp.



P.S. The good news was that he sold it to me off his web site for £195.00

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Just snagged another one IMHO.

The seller correctly listed this lot as Plate Blocks of the 3d Opening of the Tasmanian Submarine Cable. The old ACSC value of a hinged plate block is $20 each. So picking these up for $24.95 was IMHO a bargain.

But reading the ACSC it states the lower right plate block only comes with a variety (weak entry below PO of POSTAGE) or the re-touch. Value $100 for either the variety or re-touch.

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I considere this a bargain, nice lot of Bavaria (160 pieces) for 11$ (including postage) of the Ebay. To much or bargain?

pitronix,

At under 7 cents each, you can't go far wrong with these - mostly clean looking stamps, and a decent "starter" lot for an interesting area.

But at the same time, don't expect to make a massive profit on them.

Hi Gavin-h,

I'm not interested in profit here just fun and adding some missing pieces, finding some nice cancellations or shades, that kind of things and really nice mix at 7 cents per stamp

I think this is a bit of a bargain - I paid US99c + $3 postage off ebay

Included in the lot were 2 other ordinary but possibly saleable covers



As well as being a fairly decent taxed cover the Taxe mark is from the more difficult last series of Johannesburg handstamps

I'm happy

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Nice postcard to France in Feb. 1914

Only £5 via ebay,pity the postmark is unreadable but nice french one on the back.

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Neill

Hi Quicksingle,

I think KALAMUNDA WA might be your best bet for the cancel.

If you ever want to get rid of it, please yell in my direction!

Paul

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Thanks for the offer/info Paul but it's staying with me for the moment.

Your Kalamunda is probably right i can make out "amunda"

The postcard is part of The Austral Series.

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Neill

Having a run of luck this arrived this morning.



1934 flight cover with Kingsford Smith OS stamp

Only £12 including p+p

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Neill

Hi!

Here is one of my lates bargains. Got this lot of all 1st wmk stamps for AU 18$! I like the tpo postmarks, there are two paquebot colombo postmarks, a foreign postmark I don`t know and the 2d is inverted wmk! I think all in all, although the 9d is for the bin, a good bargain!



Greetings

Here's a couple of good finds on Trade Me last week, I won them both





Listed by a well known NZ dealer, as a 2/- Cook. lightly hinged $10.00,
But that flaw, being plate 1 R1/6 brings the Cat price to $225.00, I got it for 10.

Then the following day, I won for $5.00 a unhinged 2/-....






Plate 1 R8/5, price $100 +

thank goodness for high resolution images and the internet !

Mark

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Now this one was really a bargain, just arrived today. Great stamps, very fine used (few CTO and one with rare postmark for that particular stamp). I was delighted when it arrived! More then a good catalog value, and all for mere 7.70 (around 100 $AU Scot catalog, more in Michel) $AU from a ebay.com.au.

Picked these up 2 weeks ago from a USA dealer that sells online, obviously they only know about watermarks and not listed faults. As the picture will show it is BNG SG5a deformed D on 4d.

I was very happy to part with $125 AUD for the set and he happily wore the postage cost as well.



Cheers Robbo

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I am a Collector of all British New Guinea, Papua and TP&NG. Would love to talk to fellow collectors of same. Robbo

Picked these up off ebay earlier.

Germany - Soviet Zone - Mecklenberg-Vorpommern

All listed plate varieties in Michel - and someone's done all the "hard work" for me.

Exception being the "20.12.1945" overprints, which were "private" overprints.

I was happy to pay US $60 inlcuding P&P to England.

Total cv >> €1,500 if all the mint are unmounted, and counting all as cheapest shades/paper types, but even if all are mounted, still a v good deal.

Hi Team

Picked this up on E-Bay yesterday, blunt perf top right corner yet in my book its a bargin at less than $300 Aussie.

SG48a



Cheers Robbo

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Perf top right is fine - it's a line perf stamp, so it's exactly as it was produced, nothing missing.

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Picked this up off ebay

2d and 1/4KGV Head on commerical cover.

Snip at only £15.

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Neill

Quicksingle I would suggest it might be missing a stamp to the left of the upper postmark.

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You might be right, but 1/6d is the correct rate for an airmail letter to England in 1936. Most of teh time the 1/6d Hermes definitive (specifically issued for this service) would have been used.

I suspect that the envelope may had something covering it, and the cancel started on that other object. I would have expected to see another Ship Mail Room hand cancel if there had been another stamp on it (which could only have been a Late Fee 1d I would think). To have both the roller and CDS indicates the letter was posted in a pillar (letter box) and canceled prior to being sorted for air mail and recanceled.

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Peter
Hawthorn - AFL Premiers 1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 2008.

Hi All,

I think PeterS is right no sign of another stamp on the cover,possibly got stuck in the sorting machine.

And why did Melbourne use Ship Mail Cancels on Airmails?

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Neill

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Collecting Greater New Guinea & Macropods (Kangaroos & Wallabies).

Do you know when the Air Mail section was first set-up?

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Neill

Neill, That is a very good question!

Quoting from the Australian Air Mail Catalogue...

1926 (MARCH) - A PMG memorandum on 16 January 1926 advised that rubber stamps were being manufactured for use on air mail correspondence. Twenty seven identical cachets were distributed and brought into use from March 1926 at the following post offices which were stopping places on air mail routes:

For the Adelaide - Cootamundra route: Adelaide, Mildura, Echuca, Deniliquin, Narrandera, Hay, Cootamundra, Broken Hill, Melbourne - 9 stopping - place post offices.

For the Charleville - Camooweal route: Charleville, Tambo, Blackall, Longreach, Winton, McKinlay, Cloncurry, Mt Isa, Camooweal - 9 stopping - place post offices plus a cachet for Normanton added later.

For the Perth - Derby route: Perth, Geraldton, Carnarvon, Onslow, Roebourne, Whim Creek, Port Headland, Broome, Derby - 9 stopping - place post offices.

The cachets were impressed on air mail posted at the above 28 post offices and on air mail posted elsewhere that joined the air mail system at these points. Different post offices used various coloured inks.

The earliest use of Melbourne SHIP MAIL ROOM is 13.3.26 and the earliest use of Perth SHIP ROOM is 23.6.26

I hope that this is a start!

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