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This is VIII/32 small multiple watermark perf 13½ x 12½.
White scratch behind Kangaroo.

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Hi, I hope I am in the right thread for this subject. Having recently acquired a number of Australian and States stamps from a relative I have started to take on the task of identifying any possible stamps which may hold a premium above the rest and could do with some advice/comments. I have a few with questions against them, but I will post them one by one so as not to go into overload, by the way I am new at this so bear with me if the information I give you on the stamps is not sufficient enough, just let me know and I will try to provide some more. I think the first stamp is a 1d C of A watermark 1931-36 Die 1 and is showing the kings eyebrow broken is this constant
has anyone else got one, I know some of the questions I ask may seem trivial and some of the blemishes/faults will be small, but I have heard that some of the listed flaws are as well, so bear with me please i'm a newby.

Many thanks
Ian

Donald where's yer troosers

Hair on photo Damm Dogs

Ian you'll get a quicker reply on this thread
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2236&p=2147517#p2147517

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Cheers for that Donald

Position unknown
Red, Single Watermark, Single Line Perforation - "POSTAGED": white flaw after E of POSTAGE.
Although thought to be a one-off inking variety, it is interesting to note that this same variety has appeared in two different auction catalogues in the last twelve months. Both offerings were single line perforation printings.

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Position unknown
Red, Single Watermark - "ONE PENNY UNDERLINED": Casual inking flaw affecting the bottom frame under the value.

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This is VIII/15 State 2



2a. Top frame section 1¼-1¾mm left of cross thinned and raised slightly, often with a break through frame at its right end. variable.

2b. Shading left of crown. Break or downward notch in top line directly below the raised section of 2a

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This is III/46 2nd State



2a Top Frame - Three small v-notches at ¼, ¾ and 1¼mm from TLC

2b Top Frame - A right to left sloping v-notch 6mm from TLC

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This is VII/43




Top right corner ¼mm notch in RF at corner usually with a lip on lower side. variable

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This is VII/15 state 2





2nd State October 1914-February 1916

1a Notch 6¼mm below TRC, with slight overhang of RF for ½mm above and 1mm below. The notch is very variable in shape and depth. Ink tends to build up across the lips of the notch leaving a thin vertical white line within the frame

2a Top right corner. Pointed. variable

2b Cross. Slopes down from right to left.

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This is II/1 state 2





2nd State
as 1a Left Value Tablet. The white border, below and to the right of numeral, widened by encroaching into the ground of the tablet. Merged "Die 2" flaw.

2a Top Frame. Slight diagonal notch, 5¾mm from left. Variable

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This is II/8 state 2




2a Left Value Tablet white border below right heel of numeral very slightly thinner than normal (Die 2 flaw retouched)

2b OVAL Diagonal scratch 3½mm long commencing between Roo's ear and first A of Australia and continuing down towards the King's nose

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This is VI/13 state 2





2a Shading and Oval over 'LIA'. NNW-SSE 1mm flaw cutting four shading lines and extending into the solid colour band over the L of Australia, 6¼mm from RF.

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I/3

1a TOP LEFT SHADING. Break in top left line of shading between the sprays of wattle leaves for about 1mm. There is often a dot or dash of colour at the right of the break. Shading around the central spray is irregular.

Ib BOTTOM FRAME. Ragged, mainly under LVT.

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I/19

1st State.

1a CROSS. Dash or dot of colour just off the TLC and very close. Inconstant.

1b LEFT COMPARTMENT LINE. Fairly constant.

1c JUBILEE PANEL. Upper part cut away and removed.

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I/21 (Red)

3rd State

2a TOP FRAME. Ragged and indented 1 - 6mm from TLC, usually a small nick 6.25mm from TLC. From there the frame appears to rise slightly and then to curve down to join the cross. It is generally weak at this junction.

2b BLC. Tapers out to a point.

3a BOTTOM FRAME. Slight notch under first leg on N of ONE. Inconstant.

I/28

1st State 1914 - 1934

1a TOP FRAME. Rough and notched between 1 - 3mm from TRC.

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I/44

1st State Reds to June 1929

1a TOP LEFT SHADING. Very small break or thinning of the third line down of the shading over the left wattles. Occasionally there is a slight indentation in the inside edge of the top frame a little to the left of it. Variable.

1b CROSS. Slopes down slightly from left to right.

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I/55 1914 - Final

1a LEFT WATTLES. White spot in top right quarter of fifth bloom.

1b LEFT SHADING. Break in shading behind Roo, 14th line down from wattle stem, and 0.5mm behind Roo. (occasionally inked in, especially in reds).

I/56 LIGHT SHADING VARIETY. 1914 - Final

1a TOP LEFT SHADING. Lines of shading over left wattles weak and uneven. 1st line is faint; 2nd line appears curved; 3rd line curves downward; and 4th line faint.

1b TOP RIGHT SHADING. Top line over wattles weak.

1c BOTTOM LEFT SHADING. The bottom and second line of shading below LVT are thin. There are faint signs of duplication between these lines and the second and third at the right hand side.

1d BOTTOM RIGHT SHADING. Bottom and second lines below RVT are thin.

I-57

1st State. Normal.

2nd State. 1918 - Final

2a CROSS. Coloured dot or dash about 0.4mm to left of cross.

Clemo any chance of a scan of the strip

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Post your KGV faults on the stampboard wiki.

Happy to oblige...and note the compartment lines on each stamp. No mention in BSAP or MONK.

GUTTERS,

Attached is the strip of three below the I/55-57 strip. Cannot see any marginal watermark lines on either of the strips, and am contemplating soaking them off to see if they line up as a strip of six, or whatever..

Can you identify them (hopefully)...

II/4

1st State 1914-1928

1a Right compartment. Series of dashes outside the frame, with principal points at 7 - 7.12, 7.25 - 8.25, 8.5 - 9, 12.75 - 13mm from top. Fairly constant, but variable.

Cross. Slope right to left (Monk Sec 4, P3)

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II/6

1st State Normal

2nd State September 1914 - 1918

2a Right compartment. Very constant and well defined series of dashes in right compartment, extending from TRC to almost halfway down outside of frame. The lower series of dashes being most persistent. Variable.

2b Bottom frame. Minute notch 0,5mm from BRC. Inconstant.

3rd State June 1928 - Final

2a Only one or two small colour dashes about 8mm from TRC remain. Inconstant.

2b As before.

3a Jubilee panel. Slight vertical scratch about 0.12mm from left edge.

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II/12

1st State 1914 - Final.

1a Right Value Tablet. Scratch between lines of shading and lower portion of right side of RVT, commencing at 14th line up, and running through nine lines of shading. Variable.

1b Emu. Scratch to right of right leg of Emu, commencing at body and running down through thirteen lines of shading. Variable.

1c Bottom Frame. Thin under ONE, and sometimes uneven at this part.

1d Top Left Corner. Very slightly blunted.

Notes: Right marginal unit. During August/September 1914 it appeared with a strong right compartment line about 0.75mm to the right of frame.
Both 1a and 1b vary in length according to the printing. Maximum dimensions are given.

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II/16

1st State

1a Bottom Frame. Uneven under LVT, with a leftward pointing notch 2.5mm from BLC. It is often jagged between 0.5 - 2.5mm from BLC. Variable.

1b Bottom Frame. Slight break 9.5mm from BLC, under the right edge of E of ONE. Variable.

1c Bottom Frame. Slight notch in outer edge 18.25mm from BLC. Inconstant.

Moved into position......Tkanks clemo

I/4
1st State 1914-1928

1a Left Frame. Slight notch and thinning between 8.25 - 9mm from TLC. The notch tends to disappear after 1918 leaving the thinned frame.

1b Bottom Left Corner. Left frame shaved in for 1mm.

1c Bottom Frame. Ragged and uneven.

2nd State 1928-Final

1a,1b,1c As before.

2a Jubilee panel. White sickle flaw 17mm from BLC. Variable

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I/13

1st State 1914 - June 1928

1a Top Left Corner. Dot of colour about 0.75mm away. Inconstant.

1b Left Compartment. Dash of colour about 5.5mm above BLC. Inconstant.

1c Jubilee panel. Lower half removed.

2nd State June 1928 - Final

1a,1b,1c. As before.

2a Right Wattles and Shading. A scratch starting as a minute nick in TF, 0.5mm from TRC, running diagonally down the right side of the 4th wattle bloom, to halfway down the right side of the bottom bloom, where it changes in direction and runs out into the white border 10 shading lines above the Emu's tail. the 8th,9th,10th shading lines are shortened at the right. The scratch is often invisible below the wattle stem, but is evident as a waviness of the lines of shading.

2b Bottom Frame. Slight dent or thinning under NE of ONE. Variable.

2c Cross. Top slopes gently down from left to right. Inconstant.

2d Jubilee Panel. A 5mm scratch running down the centre of the panel from the top edge.

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I/29

1st State. 1914 - 1918

1a Bottom Left Corner. Horizontal projection to left.

1b Right Compartment. Line of colour running parallel with frame about 0.75mm to right. Inconstant.

2nd State 1918 - 1928

1a,1b As before.

2a Bottom Frame. Thin especially under CVT.

3a Has been reported in red.

3rd State 1928 - C of A

1a,1b,2a As before.

3a Top Frame. Small colour flaw 0.25mm from TLC, projecting upwards and curving slightly to the left. In early printings it is frequently accompanied by a minute white flaw or break in the frame immediately the projection.

3b Right Frame. Shallow notch between 19.5 - 20.25mm from TRC.

4th State C of A - Final

2a,3b As before.

4a Top Left Corner. Blunted and a slight bump where 3a was situated.

Notes: 1a Following the disappearance of this flaw the BLC, at times, appears to be slightly rounded.
1b Is fairly constant in early greens.
3a This flaw may be found in other unrecorded states. It is an extremely interesting variety.
3b Similar to V/30 2a.
4a This might be a retouch of 3a. It is impossible to be dogmatic about it.

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I/49

1st State 1914? - Final

1a Top Left Shading. The top line is broken for about 0.5mm, immediately to the right of the top left spray of wattle leaves. There is, sometimes, a dot of colour within the break. On rare occasions this break is not present, but the shading is then very weak at that point.

1b Cross. A colour dot, two dots, a dash, or a plume at TLC.

1c Cross. Top sags in the middle.

1d Top Left Corner. Inconstant colour dot.

Note:
1a Similar variety on I/3, the break on this unit being twice as wide.

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II/1 3rd State.


1st State July 1914 - August 1918
1a LVT white border, below & to right of numeral, widened by encroaching into the ground of the tablet 'Merged Die 2 Flaw'. This variety is present on every unit on the first vertical column of this pane, except No. 49.

1b Bottom Left Corner. Short dash of colour just off the BLC. Inconstant.

1c Right Compartment. Series of ink dashes running vertically about 0.tmm from frame. Principal points at 8, 9, and 15.5mm from top. Inconstant.

1d Jubilee Panel. Several prominent white flaws at left end; a series of short vertical cuts in the base between 16mm and 18mm from left; a slight cut in the right side 0.5mm above base.

2nd State August 1918 - June 1928
1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, As before.

2a Top Frame. Slight diagonal notch 5.75mm from left. Variable.

3rd State June 1928 - about 1934
1a, 1c, 1d, 2a As before,

3a Bottom Frame. Small notch 1.75mm from BLC. Inconstant.

3b Top Frame. Slight notch 1.25mm to right of Cross. Variable.

4th State. About 1934 - Final
1a, 1c, 1d As before.

2a Is not so pronounced.

4a Left Frame. Shaved into the top corner from about 1.5mm below. In some printings the top frame is pushed up very slightly, descending to normal 1mm to the right. Variable.

Notes: The bottom frame is sometimes rought from BLC to LVT with small notches appearing. Notches in top/bottom frames subject to inking.
2a Similar varieties on III/45, III/46, VII/39.
3a Similar variety on II/17.

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II/18

1st State Normal.

2nd State June 1928 - Final

2a Middle right shading. Almost vertical scratch usually cutting 3rd-7th lines of shading below, and to right of, wattle stem.

Notes; 2a Similar flaw on II/54 and VII/54. It is possible that only this portion of the long scratch on VIII/38 might show on rare occasions.

Would appreciate confirmation of this example, as Monk (Sect 5 P12) shows this scratch evident 1914 - Final.


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Hi clemo

B.S.A.P. lists 2/18 State 1 as normal and State 2 as June 1928 - Final

Clemo:

The Wajer group have a more current version of 2-18; they list it as shown below.




I have a 1919 dated example (from a horizontal block of 12 - 6 x 2) that barely shows the scratch (believe me, it's there).



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Anyone else accumulating NWPI material for research?

This is V/49 2nd State




1a as before

2a Left Frame Shallow curve for 3½mm from TLC, followed by a slight bulge outwards for a further 2½mm.

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This is VIII/40 2nd State





1a Bottom Frame. Shallow notch 3mm from BLC. variable.

2a Shading at Right Straight hairline from 4th line above base of and to right of right wattle stem to centre of Emu's body 3mm from RF. Often only the middle section shows. Sometimes there is a break in 9th line above base of right wattle stem in line with the hairline.

2b Shading at Right Straight hairline from white border 5mm from TF to the back of the Emu's head 10mm from TF. Very Variable. Sometimes missing when 2a shows clearly.

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Rod,
Thanks for the confirmation. II/18 2nd State it is. Need to change the dates in my BSAP.

Regards

Rod,
Thanks for the confirmation. II/18 2nd State it is. Need to change the dates in my BSAP.

Regards

Not needing the V/49 above ? There is one in the wiki but it's state 1, the one above is state 2.

Donald thank you your V/49 has been put into position

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This one is II/60 2nd State




RETOUCHED BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER
1st State July 1914-1918

1a Top Right Frame The frame bulges outward between 7½ and 10mm from cross.

1b Top Right Corner. Sharp spike generally projecting to the NE. variable.

1c Top left frame. Frame thinned between 7½ and 9mm from TLC.

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2nd State June 1928-Final

1a, 1b, 1c as before.

2a Bottom Right Quarter The bottom right quarter of the unit retouched, affecting:-

i - The right half of the bottom frame uneven and rough
ii - The Letters PENNY ragged and abnormal.
iii - The border of the RVT, which is wider than normal at many points.
iv - The numeral of the RVT, the toe of which is shortened, the base slants up from the left to right, the heel much thinner than normal, and curve between the heel and back of the numeral is abnormal.
v - The shading around RVT is thin and uneven
vi - The lower part of the right frame is ragged

2b Right Frame Irregular, and curved inward between 11½ and 13mm from TRC

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This is V/37 3rd State




1a, 2a, 2b as before.

3a Centre Value Tablet Small white dot ¼mm to the right of, and on a level with, the centre bar of E of ONE.

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This is VIII/16 2nd State




1929 - Final
2a Shading at Right. Nearly straight hairline beginning at right end of shading 8mm below BRC and ending on top of the Emu's back, ½mm to right of its Junction with the outer edge of the oval colour band. Often sections of it are obscured. Very variable.

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This is VIII/49 3rd State





3rd State April 1915 - Final

2a As before
3a Shading behind Roo: Short sections of both ends of the 11th line below base of left wattle stem missing, 13mm above BF. One or both of these breaks may not show - particularly in printings before 1917 and on C of A paper.

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This is VIII/12 State 2





2nd State June 1928 - Final

2a Shading Behind Emu; ¼mm breaks in 1st and 2nd lines below base of Wattle stem 1¾mm from RF and 10mm from TF

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This is VII/15 3rd State





Can you add this one to the wiki, I know we have a green one there, but this shows the shade flaws slightly clearer.

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