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That 1d Green has me beat too.

Muruk, what letters do you think you can see?

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Thanks guys for taking the time to check the 1d green out for me, unfortunately the back of the piece is on coloured paper, not easy to see through it.

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Donald.
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I looked for places ending in "WEST" or "ST" (for Street).

Also "Z" (immediately before the WEST), preceded by rounded letters a few before that, O, Q, etc.

Also tried "7" in place of "Z".

I concluded that it's either unlisted or cobbled together.

What looks like a full stop (period) before the WEST just doesn't make sense.

I think a lot of our regulars are actually taking a break from Stampboards during the holiday season. Imagine that.

Might get some more responses when they get back.

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As a newbie I am guessing, is it CROW'SNEST, does anyone have one to compare? I will have a look around here but I doubt it.

Micky

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Could it be TPO No. ? West?

Lundy

Ahhh Yes Lundy I see it now.

Well spotted Lundy, give that man an extra slice of turkey.

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That's brilliant Lundy, thank you so much. You've all proved again Just how useful this thread is.

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Hi, I have one not really sure about but I think it's Wolfram. Wolfram is an old goldmining town/camp up near here in Far Northern Queensland and there is only ruins and goats roaming around now. What do you think? The date looks like 22 Nov. 13 and the U in Queensland looks a bit wonky, maybe it has a R rating.



Micky

Here's your options IMHO.

Wolffdene RO c.1888; PO 1/7/1927; closed 5/6/1953.
Wolfram RO c.1899; PO c.1904; closed 8/4/1959.

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Oh strewth two options well I'll keep it in the too hard folder which I don't have yet , although there is a possible R there with the leg out front, I will stick to WOLFRAM.
Thanks traralgon3844 for your help


Micky

Hi all,

Grateful for any help with this one, it could be fiscal but it does look like Post at the top, I think I make out **MWO... and PPA suggests that it could only be Lymwood or Tamworth, but neither seem to fit



Lundy

Lundy

Not sure but I would go with Tamworth. There are a number of these "double ring" or "double circle" cancels in violet and the ones I can find quick reference to are the larger post offices - e.g Cessnock. Tamworth NSW would fit the bill better than Lymwood in the wilds of King Island, Tasmania. I don't know the history of these - however I suggest they were not the "regular" postmark for the office but mainly intended for administrative use ???

Imagine the canceller striking very hard, and squishing the ink out from under the actual letters, and spattering the adjacent area ... especially on the first letter.

I can make out TAMWO ... so I would also go with Tamworth.

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Thanks Peter and Muruk,

A couple of extra sets of eyes make a big difference!

Lundy

Greettins & Happy New Year.

Curiosity here, is this Honolulu in America? I can see a bit of another cancel top corner I was curious is it normal for another country to use their cancel?
Not sure to ask here but would it be worth to buy for $4? Interesting in a way.



Micky

And greeeeeeetttttttttins to you also.

HONOLULU, Hawaii/USA is the only thing that makes sense. But remember Hawaii only became a US state in 1959.

Could be Paquebot mail, or cancelled on arrival or in transit.

Unusual, but not unheard of.

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Oh great I like unusual ones a lot, I think I better purchase it for my unusual collection so I can study it closer.

Thanks muruk

Micky

Hi all,

I am trying to get my early postmarks in order and there are a few I am struggling with grateful for any help,

First, I think this is Gnarkeet, did it used to be Gnarkeeth??



Next Is this Narrabri? it then looks like Burre....... after it?



Any idea about this South Australia Squared circle?



Would this be Yarraman Creek?



Finally, can I ask where these "I" and "A" NSW cancels were used?



Thanks and apologies if any of these are obvious, just grateful for some extra eyes to identify them

Lundy

I make the first one TARKEETH ... but it's not listed on the PPA website, although a parish and state forest by that name exists, NSW north coast area. Haven't found reference to a town yet, but most early parishes were centred on a town of the same name. (Your options have too many letters to fit.)

Second one: NARRABRI - BURREN JUNCTION has to be a contender. Again, not on PPA. Possibly a railway/TPO cancel for the line between the two towns?

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Thanks Muruk,

The Tarkeeth looks likely, Gnarkeet was the closest I could get!

NARRABRI - BURREN JUNCTION looks like it would also fit,

Thanks again

Lundy

Not on PPA, so you might have a scarce one there.

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Collecting Greater New Guinea & Macropods (Kangaroos & Wallabies).

Hi Lundy:

1. I'd go with Tarkeeth too in the absence of further information. It was/is an inhabited place so could have had a post office. Gnarkeet is in Victoria, so it can't be that. The otherwise excellent PPA list has quite a lot of omissions for NSW.
2. Yes - Narrabri - Burren Junction travelling PO.
3. I can't make it out either
4. Something Creek in Queensland. Yarraman Creek and Graham's Creek are possibilities but neither quite seems to fit to my eyes
5. These are relief cancels, to replace damaged cancels while they are being replaced, or for new post offices where the cancel has for some reason not arrived.

Hope this helps


Peter

3. is WARRATTA VALE ... PO 1/4/1881; closed 31/11/1947

4. YARRAMAN CREEK is visible to me, GRAHAM'S CREEK doesn't fit.

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Collecting Greater New Guinea & Macropods (Kangaroos & Wallabies).

Thanks very much Peter and Muruk,

I really appreciate your help, I am trying to get all my early Australian postmarks in order so I may be asking for more assistance shortly!

Lundy

I don't think this is WOLFFDENE or WOLFRAM. The spacing isn't right for either.

I think it's unlisted.

I make out: WOLF ?A? ... I make it a space after the F, then a smeared letter, maybe B (BAY) or C (CAY). Haven't found anything on Google so far, but then, ghost towns are hard to find on there.

Not totally convinced about the L either ... could be O.

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muruk looks like I found one for the too hard basket , one day in the near future we will discover the secrets and understand the secrets the smudge hides.

Cheers
Micky

Hi Mickey

Have shown this to someone who is an expert on Queensland CDS (he co-authored the recent publication on the subject) and he reckons it is Wolfram - just a bad strike.

Rgds


Peter

Oh great Peter thank the person please and thank you for taking time to investigate, I wasn't expecting it, common rating I suppose anyhow I am happy it has been worked out.

Cheers
Micky

No, apparently rated "R" for rare, at least this particular type (any other cancels that Wolfram may have used over the ages may have different ratings). This doesn't mean you are now fabulously wealthy - but nice to have !

Rgds

Good news as always, and wealthy I am in heart not in pocket. A R rating that is good news for a slightly messed up cancel.

Cheers
Micky

This stamp according to PPA has a cancel which could be one of 3, it starts off WENT and it's NSW. Could be either Wentworth, Wentworth Falls or Wentworthville. I favour the latter Wentworthville, but does it fit with the spacing ?

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Donald.
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Re: Tarkeet/Gnarkeet.

According to Hopson & Tobin there was a post office at Tarkeeth NSW 1927-40. TO/RO either side of this time 1926-46.

Looks like you have a fairly rare one there.

Peter

Donald

I am going for Wentworth, even though it means that the letters would be fairly spread out

i) the very last letter looks like it has two upright lines, consistent with an H but not with an E or S
ii) it appears that at the time of this postmark (1926), Wentworthville used a cds that did not have side bars between the p.o. name and NSW. Wentworth and Wentworth Falls did (and your one does)
iii) I agree with you that the name Wentworthville seems to be too long

I can't think of any other alterantives either for now.

Rgds



Peter

WENTWORTH fits nicely ... the other options don't.

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Hi everyone just a curious question, do NSW CDS have ratings and where is a good place to ask about them? Such as Milparinka & Petersham for example.

Cheers
Micky

Thank you Peter and muruk for your replies and comprehensive answer. Once I have the KGV head checklists complete methinks Postmark books are a must.

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Donald.
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Hi, just confirming this one is it Jindalee? Looks confusing with the double JJ even though I think it's because of the double cancel.



Micky

Yes, a double strike, but looks like JINDALEE to me.

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Strike thats the word, thanks muruk. I like giving challenges one day I will find a good one for you all.
Jindalee looks like a nice place to visit


Micky

Mickey

I collect NSW cds postmarks and as far as I know, there is no rating that has been done - I haven't seen one. The definitive work on them to date (Hopson and Tobin) only lists the offices and types of cancel used over different years, not the rarity. There was also a book that listed the earlier numeral cancellations done a few decades ago, but I don't think it has ratings either (I haven't seen it for many years). I don't know how the dealers and auctioneers price them to set reserves, although they would have access to past sales history.

David at PPA and Torsten Weller are the two dealers who deal most with the broad range of Australian postmarks. If you search carefully using Google you can often find reference to various postmarks in their back catalogues - while there are no rarities the reserve prices would give a good indication.

In the absence of other information I am happy to venture a view about particular offices - but you would have to take my view as a guide only. I wouldn't have thought that Petersham or Milparinka overall are particularly scarce and I've seen quite a few of both - although it could depend on the particular type/date of cancel.

Rgds


Peter

Thanks Peter for your help, I am sure there will be some type of thread in the future, so I will just hang onto everything I have . I can't seem to locate my Petersham at moment although I have one nicely dated Milperinka and one nice group coming in the mail you might of seen in the 'Should I buy' thread, I wasn't thinking of the number when I purchased it so I thought I ask while I am here, looks like a 345.




Many thanks for helping
Micky

I'm going of course with what this thread is about, sorry everyone.

Micky

I know zip about N.S.W. cancels, but in the case of your Milperinka, that looks like an aberration - it should be Milparinka. Perhaps you should check the PPA website.

We visited what is left of the township a couple of years ago and somewhere I have a few photos of the remaining buildings, including the Post Office, and the Court House (which now houses the history and information of the region).

I don't know if things have changed, but at the time the pub had closed and things were looking rather grim. We visited during 2010, on our way through to Cameron's Corner (we didn't get there, and Tibooburra was memorable for the frogs in the toilet )

Totally useless trivia

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Wow aberration that's a word I never seen before. I had trouble locating the town name because of the spelling silly me, the PPA website I do not know of it sorry.
And about the trivia being useless, don't think like that I love to see the photo's mcgooley, I was born in Herberton Qld and I love the old relics of our past. Show us please

Micky

If you are doing anything with Australian cancels, the PPA website is an absolute must. Not totally complete, but electronically searchable using fragments ... beautiful.

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https://www.premierpostal.com/cgi-bin/wsProd.sh/Viewpocd.w?

this should take you straight to the relevant page: type in Milparinka and you'll get the whole box and dice. Milperinka was the correct spelling until the name change in 1925.

I'll hunt out the photos and post them on the Post Office website;

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=15397&p=2503764#p2503764

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Micky

Sorry, I thought you knew about PPA. The Premier Postal Auctions (PPA) website has searchable reference lists of post offices and, recently added lists of the allocations of most state numeral cancels. You should hop on and have a look around. The lists aren't foolproof, but they are great.

As others have said you have Milparinka with the older spelling. Still not exceptionally uncommon - the place was more important in the late 19th century/ early 20th in connection with mining in the area.

From the PPA list, NSW numeral 345 was allocated to Forbes. This was an important town in the 19th century (relatively much more so than today) - so I can't imagine 345 would be very rare.

Rgds


Peter