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I've almost finished sorting through a whole bunch of China, mainly PRC. I couldn't find these 2 stamps in either Scott or Yang. The left one looks like a revenue possibly. The right one sure looks like a liberation zone stamp, but I can't find it. Anyone know what these are?

First one looks like Dr Syngman Rhee, first president of Republic of Korea (South).

With 1000 denomination, it would have to be before the currency reform of 1953.

Can't find in Stanley Gibbons ... might be a Revenue.

Second stamp has the character for China, and the typically long inscription found on "Chinese People's Political Conference" stamps. But again, can't find it in Stanley Gibbons.

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Collecting Greater New Guinea & Macropods (Kangaroos & Wallabies).

It is indeed a South Korean revenue from 1953.

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Nigel

The second MAY have been printed by Chinese Postal Authorities solely for sale to collectors, and therefore a cinderella, so not listed in catalogues. Having the year on the stamp is unusual ... unless it is a later commemorative.

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Collecting Greater New Guinea & Macropods (Kangaroos & Wallabies).

The second is a People's Republic revenue stamp.

These



are the characters to look for in Chinese stamps up to the mid-1950s that identify revenue stamps.

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Thanks to all! I should have checked my Republic of China revenues for those characters. This is my first PRC revenue.

Can anybody provide a catalogue value for the S. Korea revenue? Anybody want it? I don't collect S. Korea.

Jean

It's priced at 50 pence in the 2006 Barefoot catalogue.

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Nigel

Thanks Nigel.

So, no hidden treasures!

The year "1949" appears on MANY pre-PRC and transitional-ROC issues.

I was just about to ask for the Chinese characters designating "revenue" stamps, as I am down to half a dozen unidentified items from two weeks of concentrated effort in the Gibbons Part 17. So thanks for anticipating!

The biggest remaining obstacle is figuring out the differences in provincial overprints, Gibbons page 32-34. Yes, they are all illustrated, but they all look about the same to my tired old Western eyes, especially when obscured by the stamp design.

By next week, I should be ready to post several dozen non-Scott, non-Gibbons Chinese items.

P.S., let's not tell anybody that I purged about 50 North Korea out of my 70+ glassines of China.

Doug,

I just went through a whole batch of Liberation Zone stamps - separating out all the different regions and their overprints etc. My main collections are Republic of China with Japan occupation and Provinces. You may find this helpful - especially for the currency overprints. The 2 chinese symbols in each column are different versions of characters you may see.



Jean

Thanks very much! I know the top characters, from coin collecting, but the formal (?) characters are worth knowing too. I'll print this and keep it in the catalog.

Now if Gibbons would just price FDCs and covers, like Michel...

Here are some stamps that are not in Scott.

Postal Savings stamps of ROC




I'm waiting for a catalogue I ordered from the China Stamp Society that lists the postal savings stamps, then I'll be able to organize them better.

Revenue stamps of ROC




The left and right stamps in the 5th row may actually be PRC overprints, but I can't find them in any catalogue.

I have at least half of these in my upcoming scans.

I'm pretty sure the two stamps you mention are not in Gibbons.

Canada stamper, the first of your two unidentifieds is an ROC-era stamp. It is overprinted with the date 'February Year 16' (1927), and is for the 'Six Districts of Kiang..' - Kiangsu if memory serves.

The second is a PRC-era stamp. The first three characters of the top line of the overprint, reading from the right are 'Renminbi'. The bottom line of the overpint reads 'Restricted to Shanghai'.

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

Thanks tonymacg! So, would these still be revenue stamps for those districts?

I just noticed that the 5th stamp in the third row has 2 overprints, I will upload a larger scan later. Also, the 4 overprinted stamps in the bottom row I presume are district overprints? Will upload a larger scan of those too.

Is there a good reference for revenue stamps of China?

Canada stamper, I'm sorry I don't collect China - I just read Chinese. Load your scans, and I'll do my best to tell you what they mean, but then you're on your own, as far I'm concerned, anyway

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

Your help is appreciated - it at least points me in the right direction!

Here are close up scans of the other overprinted revenues:

Sorry, I can't make out much of the overprint on the first stamp, but it's a Kiangsu/Jiangsu provincial revenue. A blow-up of that stamp alone might help: the overprint seems to include a date and another line of text.

The second is a general Chinese revenue, revalued to 10 cents.

The third is a general Chinese revenue, overprinted (I think) Paoshan/Baoshan, Kiangsu/Jiangsu Province.

The fourth and fifth are general Chinese revenues overprinted Kuangtung/Guangdong district, Kiangsu/Jiangsu Province.

(I've included the old Wade or Wade-Giles and Pinyin versions of the Chinese names because older references will use Wade or Wade-Giles ... and I'm ancient enough to be more comfortable with Wade-Giles myself )

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

Thanks tonymacg. Here's a blow up of the first stamp:



It looks the red might be a 50c overprint with a year, and the black is a district overprint?

Nigelc: does the Barefoot South East Asia Revenues catalogue include Republic of China revenues like the ones I've posted here? Their website says it does not include mainland China.

I can't make sense of the black overprint, except as the first characters of two place or district names. The first would probably be T'u/Tu... and the second Pao.../Bao... As you had a Paoshan/Baoshan overprint, this looks at least plausible.

The red overprint reads May (5th month) Year 15 (1926). I can't quite make out the first two of the left line of characters, but this appears to refer to 'miscellaneous foreign goods'. Also quite plausible, as Kiangsu/Jiangsu is the province nextdoor to Shanghai.

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

No, they're not listed.

The catalogue excludes mainland China but it does include listings for the Japanese Occupation of China (1936-45), Manchukuo (1931-44) and Taiwan (1945-86) as well as for Hong Kong, Macao etc.

The Taiwan listing includes ROC revenues issued specifically for use in Taiwan prior to 1949 and general issues from then on.

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Nigel

Thanks Nigel. I think most of the ones I posted here would probably not be in there then. Do you know of any catalogue that has the China revenues?
Jean

Hi all,

I have two that I've spent ages trying to identify- now I see that the original 1942-46 50c Green is a Kwangtung Postal Savings stamp based on the scan by Canada Stamper, but what year was the overprint applied?
Does anyone have any ideas for the original 1940-1 5c orange overprint? I found a generic NE China overprint listed that seems to be the top portion of the overprint, but cannot find the whole overprint listed (in the SG China cat').
Thanks.

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Hi moriety

The top stamp is not the Kwangtung overprint - the Kwangtung ovpt has the larger black characters. I've order a new catalogue from the China Stamp Society which lists all the postal savings stamps - as soon as that arrives I'm planning to catalogue all of mine and will post pictures on SB.

The bottom stamp is a provincial overprint from Taiwan (Formosa), Scott #15, issued 1946. They are listed after Republic of China, before the Japan Occupation issues.

Jean

Thanks Jean!

I found the 5c in the SG China from your info (SG11, Taiwan section, if anyone else uses SG). I looked through that catalogue 3 times before giving up, and lo and behold, the overprint is clearly shown....
So I'm guessing from what you say that the 50c is still a savings overprint? I look forward to you posting the images once you get the catalogue, a resource on this complex field (China overprints) would be hugely welcomed by many I'd say.

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Collecting used world stamps to 1920, m/m and used Australia upto 2013 and used Australia State stamps.

Yes, still a postal savings stamp, I'm just not sure which overprint. I'm looking forward to being able to finally sort these stamps into some kind of order!

Moriety, these are the characters for 'post office savings stamp':



You'll find them in varying fonts, but the basic forms of the characters will be the same.

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

Sorry I don't use English catalogues on ROC items and so unable to give exact SG/Sc number. The 50c overprint seems to me a Chekiang Province (Zhejiang) postal saving issued between 1942 and 1945. Current market price in China is US$0.5 - $1.

The Gansu Province overprint looks almost the same except the rows of characters are narrower.

This Chekiang overprint is in your (Canada stamper) page scan as well, placed next to your 6 Kwangtung duplicates. For the rest of the greenie overprints, I will leave you to have some fun with your ordered catalogue, they are easy to identify.

Thanks for the info Sisophon, much appreciated

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Collecting used world stamps to 1920, m/m and used Australia upto 2013 and used Australia State stamps.

I have been sorting and cataloguing my Chinese stamps and have come across some that have me stumped, after searching through Stanley Gibbons Stamps Of The World (2009) and Stanley Gibbons Stamp Catalogue Part 17 China (1986) - plus numerous web sites .

I did note one of them on this Forum (4th. stamp on the first image - 2 cent green) that Canada Stamper has advised is a Revenue Stamp.

The third stamp in the first image ($15 overprint Design 200 on Mountains - carmine Design 149 ) looks to be SG1501 but the vertical characters on the stamps are on the right hand side versus on the left as per Design 200.

Any help in allocating a Stanley Gibbons Catalogue Number or just a year; province etc. would be most appreciated.





Images are at 300dpi to reduce the file size. I can send larger individual images if needed.

Thanks in advance.

Sorry.

One more



Thanks

The first and last on the first Hagner are postal savings stamps, so not listed in Gibbons. The stamp on row 3 of the same Hagner is a revenue, so also not in Gibbons.

The stamp on row 4 of the second Hagner is Japanese: Year of the Child. The stamp on row 5 is a Chinese revenue.

The additional stamp in your second post is also a revenue.

Larger scans of the others might help in identifying them.

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

Thanks tonymacg

Hagner 1 Stamp 1

Hagner 1 Stamp 2

Hagner 1 Stamps 3

Hagner 1 Stamp 5

Hagner 1 Stamps 6

Hagner 2 Stamps 1

Hagner 2 Stamp 2

Hagner 2 Stamp 3

Hagner 2 Stamp 5

This is a China postal savings stamp - when I have time I will post a thread with all the provincial overprints, I got my new CSS catalogue which lists them.

These are all PRC definitive stamps - the top one is from a 1974 series and the bottom 2 from 1986.

This is from a set of 4 issued May 2 1951 (PRC)

This is a Republic era revenue. These are the characters meaning 'revenue stamp' during the Republic:

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

These are revenue stamps of China

Look under Japan ...　Hitahikosan National Park, or something like that

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'First I'll steal all the money, then I'll kill everybody, and then I'll go away', Père Ubu

This is a Japanese Quasi National Park stamp issued Sept 25, 1959 showing Ao Cave Area of Yakabei.

Sorry I don't have SG, hope these help.