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For years I have sought information about this stamp. I want to know if there are EFOs varieties because a faulty stamp was found in a collection of year 1920, pointed out as a rarity by collector. I hope that can help me, because I really believe that this EFOs stamp one of few Spanish stamps with this variety, therefore, this may be really a rarity, because the collector in 1920 said that it was a rarity (it is written on the album) I have not found any reports of other experts and I can´t find other same equal stamp. I'm sending the normal stamp image, because I need family license to take a picture with the EFOs variety, however, I would like to know, if there is in the catalogs, or in some collection, or somewhere Efos a variety of this stamp. Thank you.
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I´m brazilian. The translation of all texts is done by a machine translation from the Portuguese and with the help of our basic knowledge of English. Please accept our apologies and suggest a better translation. I'll be happy with your support.

I do not have the appropriate skill to use a forum, so it´s possible that I can be in error, my apologize in advance.

I'll be sending the picture to Photobucket and posting here soon after

The Edifil catalog lists only one variety for this stamp -
overprint in blue instead of red.

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Jay Carrigan
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The basic stamp is catalogued in Hiscock's catalogue at 0.20p, used, so this must be a relatively common stamp. The blue overprint is catalogued at £15 mint but is unpriced, used. It was also printed in bronze, catalogue value = 30p used.

I do not understand your "EFOs". Please explain.

EFO = Error, Freak, Oddity, as I know it.

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Mike
Why do we need perforations? Scissors are cheap!

Jaime,

Eu falo Português. Envie sua pergunta para mim por e-mail e ajudarei, se eu puder. Tim

(Jaime,
I speak Portuguese. Send your question to me by e-mail and I will help if I can)

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I collect Souvenir Sheets postally used on cover, WW used stamps up to 1957 except everything of Brasil and Argentina.

Of course!! How silly of me - I was thinking it was a Portuguese abbreviation.

Thanks, makielb

This is a very common stamp, no EFO at all.
Good luck next time!.

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Post tenebras spero lucem

Yes, EFO - "these stamps are misperfed with the perferations cutting across the stamp designs. They're also called EFOs or Errors, Freaks, and Oddities. A lot of collectors specialize with these stamps."
This in quotes because I received this text from another person. I believe that yes, I know a Efos of this stamp, therefore, the collector in 1920 noted RARITY.

Tim, eu não tenho habilidade com o uso de FORUNS. Não encontrei seu email. Por favor, traduza esta mensagem que escrevo em Português para você, aos nossos amigos aqui do debate sobre este selo. Obrigado.

Friends, you believe that a unknown EFOS of this stamp may be rare? As noted by the collector in 1920? Thanks for all of you until now.

Jaime writes: "Tim, I don't have skill in navigating Forums. I did not locate your email. Please translate this message I'm writing in Portuguese to you to our friends here in the discussion about this stamp. Thanks."

Jaime,
I'll send you an email (Enviarei um e-mail).

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I collect Souvenir Sheets postally used on cover, WW used stamps up to 1957 except everything of Brasil and Argentina.

I didn´t get any more information in any place and somebody else. And yes, a EFOs stamp from Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 CENTIMOS 1910, exist.

In one hundred and one years, there no Efos cataloged for this stamp?

Jaime,

What error, freak or oddity do you suspect on your stamp? Can you tell us?

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I collect Souvenir Sheets postally used on cover, WW used stamps up to 1957 except everything of Brasil and Argentina.

From the information I have received so far that I saw the stamp, If I am not mistaken, misperfs like this are called "piquage à cheval" in French.

... ie, Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C, may have a variety of "à cheval piquage."

I've seen stamps with a much greater shift of the perforation than this called piquage à cheval but I believe most collectors would describe this as simply "badly centred".

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Nigel

The stamp which I mention, have part of another Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C stamp.

I have to agree with Nigelc. I just see a poorly centered stamp.

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I collect Souvenir Sheets postally used on cover, WW used stamps up to 1957 except everything of Brasil and Argentina.

My friends from this FORUM: - This stamp is NOT the EFOS Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C stamp. The Efos stamp from Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C that I saw, I don´t have a picture at moment, but I'll get a photo soon as possible.

Dear Friends, how do you classify this stamp? This isn´t a "piquage à cheval"?

"yes," technically a piquage à cheval. But not necessarily rare or unusual, depending on the stamp. Not terribly unusual for Wasington issue pictured.

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I collect Souvenir Sheets postally used on cover, WW used stamps up to 1957 except everything of Brasil and Argentina.

Well, if technically this is a Efos piquage à cheval, I´m looking for a information on a Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C with this Efos variety. I saw one of this having piquage à cheval, and is not the image that is in my profile. Little censor passed to us the information that this variety isn´t related in catalogs.

I don't believe that most catalogs would refer to these as they are not a true "variety." Bad alignment, yes, but not a classical error. You might find them in a catalog specifically for EFO (Harris publishes such for US issues), but not the standard catalog.

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I collect Souvenir Sheets postally used on cover, WW used stamps up to 1957 except everything of Brasil and Argentina.

And what EFO catalog you refer to find this Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C variety? If he has the same defect like in the Wasington issue pictured, it is a EFOs of course.

You would have to check with someone who specializes in Spain and has a specific interest in these issues. Not my area. Good luck.

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I collect Souvenir Sheets postally used on cover, WW used stamps up to 1957 except everything of Brasil and Argentina.

Tha Maury catalogue suggests that to be piquage à cheval a stamp's perforations should be shifted by at least a third of the width (or height) of the stamp for classic and old stamps and by at least a quarter for modern stamps.

You should be aware that most catalogues don't list such EFO errors and while Maury lists some this is unusual.

Similarly, stamps with missing colours are often listed but stamps with colour shifts usually are not even if the shifts are dramatic.

By all means show us your stamp but don't get too disappointed if catalogues refuse to list it.

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Nigel

The 1983 catalog Marianne says: "A stitching moved under 5mm for large patches and less than 3mm for small-format stamps as a defect and not a variety."

I'm more reserved, I think the program in question is taken into account: the intaglio stamps are particularly focused. This 50F airmail includes a large discrepancy can, but enough to cause an "inverted legend," the words "Air Mail" is at the bottom.



Piquage à cheval have varieties.

like in http://timbreposte.free.fr/marianne/piquage.html

What are the ways that a stamp enters in a catalog?

Interesting...

http://www.timbresmag.com/pdfs/90MarianneVarietes.pdf

It´s possible that the Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C has this unique variety of piquage à cheval, known, which makes it even more interesting.

It's possible that I can take a photo of the EFOs Zona DE PROTECTORADO ESPAÑOL EN MARRUECOS TELEGRAFOS 5 C in a few days (with a Piquage "à cheval" variety). But meanwhile, we talking.

If your stamp has a piquage à cheval then a whole sheet exists with this variety. Some stamps with this variety are still not worth a lot, however there are some exeptions like this penny red (priced at £39.50 from http://www.philatelic.co.uk).

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If so, it´s possible. But I don't find any reference that says that there may be an entire sheet. This is what I look for too.

Could you post a scan of the stamp please?

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Yes, this week when I have access to the album. I have already explained what I learned here in the FORUM for the owner of the stamp. Thank you.

Here the stamp.

(The picture was handed to me in a pendrive by the owner. But The stamp is still on the album.)

Hi

I think the real questions are:

- Is this stamp usually centered or mis-centered?
- Are collectors interested in such perforation shifts?

I don't really know about spanish colonies stamps... But I think these stamps are scarcer when they are well centered. Therefore, these shifts aren't in the aim of collectors; that is why they are not in the catalogues.

Regards
Ernesto

A few weeks ago, a stamp collector told me among other things, the following:"Telegraph stamps postally used are, however, most desirable items in any modern collection, but in a footnote under Orange Free State (for example) in Gibbons, Part I, will be found: ‘Postage stamps overprinted for use at Telegraph stamps and used postally are omitted, as it is impossible to say with certainty which stamps were genuinely used for postal purposes.’ The stamps of Spain found cancelled with a puched hole have been telegraphically used. Personally, I would never throw one away.” So I think it is strange that we not get the right information. It seems that everyone has a personal impression. But I agree with you, when asked if the collectors will be interested in the stamp. But if you read the whole TOPIC you see that the common stamp is cataloged, but the variety does not. And this stamp variety is technically a Piquage à cheval.

(Dentado desplazado hacía abajo ?)

You still don't understand me... I'm saying I believe this stamp is more common whit shifted perfs. So the variety might be the centered one. I repeat: it's only a guess...

OK, here's my comment.

I don't see a Piquage à Cheval here. I see about a 10%
shift, enough to make it just a really off center, second
quality stamp. For me, Piquage à Cheval needs to be more
like 50%.

After all the lengthy buildup here, a big disappointment
really.

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Jay Carrigan
http://www.jaypex.com

Not sure what all the fuss is about with this one. The stamp is just misperfed badly due to an alignment problem, not uncommon with stamps from many countries.

Sorry but I can't see how this statement in one of your posts above relates to your stamp:

"Telegraph stamps postally used are, however, most desirable items in any modern collection, but in a footnote under Orange Free State (for example) in Gibbons, Part I, will be found: ‘Postage stamps overprinted for use at Telegraph stamps and used postally are omitted, as it is impossible to say with certainty which stamps were genuinely used for postal purposes.’ The stamps of Spain found cancelled with a puched hole have been telegraphically used. Personally, I would never throw one away.”

Or are you saying that because it has misaligned perfs then it's rare

If so, yes it is unusual, but no it isn't a rarity as far as I can see. Some people would throw these away, I'd keep it as an oddity but nothing more.