Wiki Australian KGV 1d Red Head Stamp Compartment Marks

GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sun Jan 29, 2012 16:01:38 pm

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GUTTERS · **Posted:** Sun Jan 29, 2012 16:03:50 pm

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clemo · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 13:07:40 pm

As this is dedicated to compartment marks do you require copies with/without comp. marks?

I have examples of I/55 dated Jan 1915 with distinctive lines, and 1918 with no lines, but corner marks.

Regards

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 14:02:46 pm

clemo wrote:

As this is dedicated to compartment marks do you require copies with/without comp. marks?

I have examples of I/55 dated Jan 1915 with distinctive lines, and 1918 with no lines, but corner marks.

Regards

Clemo:

I was hoping to use this wiki only to document WM&K's research articles. Any examples should be posted on the 1d flaw wiki.

clemo · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 15:47:13 pm

Kainnikanada wrote:

clemo wrote:

As this is dedicated to compartment marks do you require copies with/without comp. marks?

I have examples of I/55 dated Jan 1915 with distinctive lines, and 1918 with no lines, but corner marks.

Regards

Clemo:

I was hoping to use this wiki only to document WM&K's research articles. Any examples should be posted on the 1d flaw wiki.

Hi Rod,

One of the opening statements threw me a bit, then..
quote:

If you have an example of a fault that you can post, with the pane number and the position on that pane.
Then just post it at the bottom of this thread. With the watermark and it's perforation.
And we will do the rest.

unquote

Regards

phoebes · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 17:36:41 pm

Hi, I think this is a 5/31 3rd state, single watermark p14.

Cheers,

phoebes · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 18:24:33 pm

Hi, I've tried but can't plate these as I'm just learning, sorry. They are single watermark p14, with compartment lines on stamps adjacent to the gutter.

Cheers,

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 03:26:21 am

clemo wrote:

Kainnikanada wrote:

clemo wrote:

As this is dedicated to compartment marks do you require copies with/without comp. marks?

I have examples of I/55 dated Jan 1915 with distinctive lines, and 1918 with no lines, but corner marks.

Regards

Clemo:

I was hoping to use this wiki only to document WM&K's research articles. Any examples should be posted on the 1d flaw wiki.

Hi Rod,

One of the opening statements threw me a bit, then..
quote:

If you have an example of a fault that you can post, with the pane number and the position on that pane.
Then just post it at the bottom of this thread. With the watermark and it's perforation.
And we will do the rest.

unquote

Regards

Clemo:

There was some miscommunication when this wiki was set up. As a result we went off on a tangent. Consequently text was added without my proof-reading it, approving it etc.

I'll be sorting this out shortly now that I'm a moderator of this thread. Editing of the current format is required.

Stampboards' members who have questions or issues are encouraged to post here although there is another thread where interesting compartment marks can be posted as well. Post yours here. I'll also look at Phoebe's recent question.

I've reread the contents of this prospective posting and I'm adding this paragraph. Clemo, allow me to rethink some of this. Gutters' idea has merit. Merging compartment mark scans with the general 1d wiki would make that wiki cumbersome as would adding real scans to this wiki. Still, grouping them here is practicable. Any new, undocumented compartment marks of published plate positions are welcomed. I recall "pilot"? posting one from Pane 4. Monk, Wajer & Kaigg might be interested is seeing any of these types. About a year ago I sent Paull Kaigg a cd of 30 some NWPI blocks of 30 that added data to their research.

I can pass on any queries to Paull or Gordon Monk.

We can later transfer the scan along with the comments to the appropriate wiki.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 05:17:10 am

phoebes wrote:

Hi, I think this is a 5/31 3rd state, single watermark p14.

Cheers,

Spot on.

The broken outer left frame line is apparent. A secondary flaw, the notch on the outer side of the right frame line, opposite the centre of the emu's neck, is slight obscured by the postmark but still visible.

Probably from an early print run where the compartment mark is not fully developed.

clemo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 17:18:25 pm

I/55 Large Single, dated Jan 1915?, right frame comp. line;

I/56 Large Single, dated Jan 1915?, right frame comp. line;

I/57 Large Single, dated Jan 1915?, right frame comp. line;

I/55 Large Single, dated May 1918, no comp. line;

clemo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 18:22:04 pm

The example of I/55 May 1918 shown above is a very close match to I/55 1d shown on Page 2 of this topic.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 13:00:05 pm

Clemo:

Little late getting to this one.

I agree that the date of your strip of 3 is JA 15 although sometimes a '6' can look like a '5' and undoubtably they're 1-55to57 based on the left wattle flaw. I have 3 1-55, 1 1-56 & 2 1-57 - none of these have any compartment marks nor does 1-55 exhibit the thinned shading lines below the LVT that your copy has. Interesting.

What stamps are below the strip?

I'd like to send these three to Paull Kaigg for his use - can I grab them? He's recovering from a heart attack around Christmas time. Not sure how well he is at the moment.

Rod

clemo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 16:37:25 pm

Kainnikanada wrote:

Clemo:

Little late getting to this one.

I agree that the date of your strip of 3 is JA 15 although sometimes a '6' can look like a '5' and undoubtably they're 1-55to57 based on the left wattle flaw. I have 3 1-55, 1 1-56 & 2 1-57 - none of these have any compartment marks nor does 1-55 exhibit the thinned shading lines below the LVT that your copy has. Interesting.

What stamps are below the strip?

I'd like to send these three to Paull Kaigg for his use - can I grab them? He's recovering from a heart attack around Christmas time. Not sure how well he is at the moment.

Rod

Rod,
The three stamps below I/55-57 could be I/58-60 as there are similar compartment lines on each stamp, plus comp. lines at the bottom, and a vertical watermark line on the r/hand stamp, but none of the six has a horizontal w/mark line that I can detect. I initially thought they were a block of 6 but on realising that the top left hand one was I/55 that knocked that on the head.

Attached is a scan of the other three, and if you would like individual scans I will get them done.

Regards

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 18:17:32 pm

clemo:

Let's see the enlargements. BSAP has nothing for 58-60. Could they be 52-4?

Is that a watermark line passing through the centre of the value tablets of 55-57?

What's odd are the prominent compartment marks on 56 & 57.

The horizontal watermark should be approximately 4mm below the A.

clemo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 22:17:33 pm

Rod,

Attached are the three unknowns. I can make out the vertical watermark line on the righthand stamp, and it goes through the bottom of the stamp. Definitely no horizontal line, same as the copy of I/55.

Feel free to use them all whatever way you wish, and thanks for your assistance.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 22:44:43 pm

clemo:

Just arrived at work so I'll look at this recent posting later.

Somewhat strange to see the latest strip with the marks at the base of the stamp as opposed to the previous strip. Perimeter stamps usually have the best outer marks possibly related to the rocking motion of plate/paper as the two were separated.

Oddly, the last row of Pane 1 was adjacent to Pane 3 so I would expect the top of 1 and the base of 3 to exhibit stronger top and bottom compartment marks respectively. The bottom of 1 shouldn't have strong mark. Just a theory since the plate positions at the top of 3 sometimes have nice compartment marks.

Just looked at this wiki for Pane 3-1 to 6. Since most seem to have strong somewhat continuous marks why wouldn't the adjacent Pane 1-55 to 60 have them as well?

What perplexes me now is the difference between the two sets. Your copies have thin continuous ones compared to the thicker somewhat discontinuous ones of Pane 3.

I'll have a better look when I get home.

Rod

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 22:47:23 pm

phoebes wrote:

Hi, I've tried but can't plate these as I'm just learning, sorry. They are single watermark p14, with compartment lines on stamps adjacent to the gutter.

Cheers,

Phoebes:

Can you post enlargements of each of these stamps? I'll check them for flaws later.

Rod

phoebes · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 19:09:23 pm

Here they are Rod. I mainly put these up in the chance that they might help fill a couple of gaps in the wiki, so don't worry if you don't have time to look at them

Top:

Middle:

Bottom:

Cheers, Phoebe

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Mar 19, 2012 08:49:03 am

phoebes wrote:

Here they are Rod. I mainly put these up in the chance that they might help fill a couple of gaps in the wiki, so don't worry if you don't have time to look at them

Top:

Middle:

Bottom:

Cheers, Phoebe

Phoebes:

The gutter, and discontinuous Jubilee line, positions the block from either 3.47-8...59-60 or 7.47-8..59-60. Panes 1 & 5 did not have the broken Jubilee line below the bottom horizontal row.

From this wiki I found the compartment marks matched Pane 3. Also, the flaws on the outer side of the bottom frame line below the right and left value shields (RVS & LVS respectively) coincide with 3.60 and are described by Monk, Wajer & Kaigg.

Can you submit the lower right stamp to the Geo V thread

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2236

for someone to confirm the 3.60 plating?

As well can you check the comparment markings for 3.48/54/60?

If everyone agrees then I suggest placing your separate single scans, of all six plate positions, on the Geo V 1d plating wiki and I can remove them from this wiki with Gutters harvesting them for his wiki.

Rod

phoebes · **Posted:** Mon Mar 19, 2012 20:58:16 pm

Thanks for taking the time to look at these Rod. I've put the lower right stamp on the thread that you suggested for confirmation of plating. They seem similar to 3.48/54/60, although with some variation so its difficult for someone with my limited knowledge to tell. Anyway, here are the other three. Feel free to move or remove them all as you see fit.

Top Left

Middle Left

Bottom Left

Cheers, Phoebe

3dBlue · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 22:38:55 pm

Hi,

was just going though some stamps and found these compartment marks that may be useful in this wiki. Very knew to this thread,but will make interesting reading indeed.Thank you for all your hard work that makes these KGV threads so invaluable.

Regards Chris

LHS Behind ROO

Marks Left Side

Heavy line RHS & Accross Top

Lower RHS Top & Bottom Corner Marks

3dBlue · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 22:44:39 pm

... and a few more ... please forgive me.

LHS

RHS Behind Emu

RHS With Saddle On Emu' Back

RHS Top & Bottom Corner Marks

3dBlue · **Posted:** Fri Apr 06, 2012 01:49:37 am

Would like to submit these as IV/36
First State 1b

Can straighten if required.

Regards Chris

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 13:15:48 pm

Updates to original posts.

I have updated the following plate positions, as taken from the recent April 2012 BSAP Bulletin:

1.) 7.31 - a "4e" has been added

2.) 7.54 - a comment & extra diagram has been added to the "intermediate stage" section

3.) 8.09 - a "2f" has been added.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2012 14:52:41 pm

Updates to original posts.

I have updated the following plate positions, as taken from the recent March 2012 ACCCNSW Bulletin:

1.) added new:
- 7.50
- 8.21
- 8.22
- 8.26
- 8.38
- 8.39
- 8.41

2.) added an updated 8.36
- "1e" to "1h" have been added along with accompanying scans

clemo · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 16:43:00 pm

II/42 I believe???

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Wed May 30, 2012 09:29:09 am

clemo wrote:

II/42 I believe???

Clemo,

I "believe" you're correct. The compartment marks on your stamp do not completely agree with the illustration but that's more than likely due to the slurring/blurring of the right edge of the outer frame line.

Does it have the vertical watermark line? Of course, the slurring obviously plates it to the last column regardless of whether there is the line.

The BSAP checklist describes a thinning of the outer frame line below the central value tablet but that's variable and not seen on yours.

Looks like a left plate printing - paper and colour-wise . Perhaps mobbor could verify the printing.

Rod

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:56:23 pm

I have updated the following plate positions, as taken from the recent June 2012 ACCCNSW Bulletin:

1.) added new:
- 4.10
- 4.16
- 5.27
- 5.34
- 5.56

2.) added an updated 5.47
- "1g" added along with accompanying scans

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:40:37 pm

I have updated the following plate positions, as taken from the recent August 2012 BSAP Bulletin:

1. 3.58.

The remaining plate positions from the article were posted previously:

4.10
5.27
5.47
6.49
7.29
8.08

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:40:20 pm

I have added the following plate positions, as taken from the recent September 2012 ACCCNSW Bulletin:

1. 5.52
2. 7.18
3. 7.38
4. 7.40

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat Dec 29, 2012 05:10:37 am

I have added the following plate positions, as taken from the recent December 2012 BSAP Bulletin:

1. 7.32
2. 8.03

Allanswood · **Posted:** Sat Dec 29, 2012 20:22:04 pm

Sorting through a recent auction win. One of those auctions where the lot actually doesn't seem to have been picked over - 8 die II in there and 18x1¼.

No idea of plating, but noticed the lines.
Good test for my scanner as the stamp is distinctly Maroon in colour.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:50:57 am

I have added the following new plate positions, as taken from the recent December 2012 ACCCNSW Bulletin:

1. 8.14
2. 8.52
3. 8.60


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