Aust 1/- Roo 1st & 2nd WMK - research of flaws

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2011 07:28:47 am

AUSTRALIAN 1/- ROO 1st & 2nd WMK - research of flaws

Although there are several topics related to Roos, such as:

and

and wikis of Roos:

including the 1/- denomination

I would like to begin a new topic based on determining/allocating the plate position of flaws found on the First and Second watermarked Roos. Since joining the PPS (1972) and ACCCofNSW & BSAP (both late 1980s) I have not seen a great deal of literature or publications referring to the 1/- Roo.

Geoff Kellow's "Cumulative Index of Australian Source Material - Volume Two, no date", but circa 1980s/early 1990s, has a missing page on the First watermark 1/- and only one-third of a page of Second watermark Roo bibliography. Corresponding with Geoff in 1998, I was able to obtain his hand-written notes for the First watermark Roo. They would only constitute another one-third of a page. A perusal of these notes indicates a scarcity of flaw research.

Even the ACSC (2004 Roo edition) is lean on plate flaw identification. My research consists of scanning all copies in my collection, some 300 stamps including 3 blocks of 30, blocks of 20 and 25, several horizontal strips of 6, numerous strips of 3 and singles. A fellow collector in Victoria, Australia has generously given me copies of incomplete research he and a recently deceased UK collector were compiling, along with a CD with 78 scans of various NWPI Roo blocks of 30 including 20+ scans of the 1/-.

Another collector, from the UK, whose sight no longer permits him to do research, has sent me comments on old research he had begun.

I only collect NWPI related material so my exposure to plate flaws is restricted to the small quantities that were overprinted and the fact that no 1/- blocks of 30 had selvedge attached. As well, approximately 10% of any overprinted stamp was obscured by the letters "N. W. Pacific Islands.". This is basically or usually the Roo vignette portion of the stamp.

These multiples of 30 could be some of the largest blocks available for research. Should anyone know of larger multiples or ones that might cross the mid-section of a pane 60 (i.e. join/merge two blocks of 30) I would be interested in obtaining scans of those multiples.

Included in this discussion will be topics on watermark features such as: lines & crosses; configuration of plates; constant flaws as opposed to EFOs (Errors, Freaks or Oddities) - how to differentiate the two; position of watermarks on the stamp etc. I will also discuss my research methodology: file naming of scans, use of spreadsheets etc. A screen capture of my research database is shown below.

This research is time-consuming and tedious; my employer has me back to project managing full-time so time and opportunity to work on this project is limited. As well, corresponding with one collector is only available by snail mail so queries are slow.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 14:21:29 pm

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 14:27:00 pm

ozstamps · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 15:50:35 pm

A great idea for a thread.

The CTO example shown above at right also inverted watermark, and had original gum. It ALSO has one of 2 recorded constant plate flaws found on this issue. "Frame Break opposite O". (ACSC 30d $75)

In fact until this last edition of "Kangaroos" catalogue the ACSC listed no errors at all on this 1/- stamp!

They are all scarce, and clearly are missing from most collections. The ACSC "painted in" photo of this stamp error is either of a very late state, or simply exaggerated! My blow up shows the real error extent.

Glen

pandadog28 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 16:09:37 pm

I certainly have all the colours, but i will check for varieties tonight.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 16:23:12 pm

pandadog28

I've had many of these 1/- stamps for years and seeing that there were few listings in the ACSC I assumed these were quite dull stamps. Never spent time with them but...during the past year while scanning them for my virtual collection I began noticing numerous unlisted flaws - many minor but constant. That started me on this research topic.

As you can see in my outline, I won't be tackling actual plating until the end although I'm hoping to stimulate some collection dredging. Cross-referencing flaws is time-consuming especially when large multiples are not readily available.

Am awaiting some scans of blocks from Michael Parr from PnR.

pandadog28 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 17:34:30 pm

K,

I have no scanner at the moment but will get to it shortly.

I have a block of 4 in first and second wmk and a few other bits and pieces which i will get too, moving house at the moment.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 22:52:04 pm

pandadog28 wrote:

K,

I have no scanner at the moment but will get to it shortly.

I have a block of 4 in first and second wmk and a few other bits and pieces which i will get too, moving house at the moment.

Please, do not misplace them while moving houses - would be shameful & crimminal.

Could be the missing links between the blocks of 30.

austcollect · **Posted:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 01:48:24 am

I have about 80 blocks of 1/- roos (not NWPI), mainly blocks 4, few blocks 6 & 8, particularly 2nd wmk, mostly used (about 70 blocks), also some mint blocks (about 10 blocks), and I am willing to help with scans. I have not done any detailed examination yet for flaws. I also have numerous used dated shades.

Did you see the article in the March 2011 ACCC Bulletin by Richard Guy, plating broken coastline at 2R8 (typo in article heading R28). I have a similar block of 4 mint 1st wmk:

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 03:17:55 am

austcollect wrote:

I have about 80 blocks of 1/- roos (not NWPI), mainly blocks 4, few blocks 6 & 8, particularly 2nd wmk, mostly used (about 70 blocks), also some mint blocks (about 10 blocks), and I am willing to help with scans. I have not done any detailed examination yet for flaws. I also have numerous used dated shades.

Did you see the article in the March 2011 ACCC Bulletin by Richard Guy, plating broken coastline at 2R8 (typo in article heading R28). I have a similar block of 4 mint 1st wmk:

austcollect:

Just what I've been looking for!

I've been able to link Guy's block to an NWPI sheet scan (block of 30) I have and ultimately to a block (of 4) Prestige offered (with single jubilee line and 'POS' in the margin) confirming the plating as 2R and not 1R. I will eventually prepare a brief article for publishing in the ACCCNSW Bulletin.

Would like to enlist your help with verifying any of the flaws I have identified and vice versa. Numerous ones remain unallocated; especially the upper plate.

More will shake out later when I begin posting my observations. I'd like to expand on my outline first then work on the flaw identification.

Look forward to any seeing your scans. I've received permission to augment Banwell's & Parsons partially prepared drawings. Their research stalled when they could not link NWPI blocks of 30 across the top and bottom portions of the panes.

You can also contact me through Stampboards.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 09:56:45 am

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:18:47 am

A few weeks ago I posted an article in another thread (see Re: Flaws on Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 15:27:46 pm ) showing how an innocuous inking flaw/spot helped me link an NWPI 1/- pane of 30 to an unoverprinted block of 4 with 'POST' in the right selvedge and ultimately identifying 2R1-60.

Today, while looking at a few scans from Arthur Gray's catalogue that Throgmorton supplied, to see if it would be practicable to use it to identify multiples, I noted a small inking flaw in the left stamp of this multiple from Plate 1. It looked familiar.

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Arthur Gray multiple 1L55 -60 - monogram with part of the above Jubilee line removed

I had just added a couple blocks of NWPI 1/- with the above flaw to my collection (enlargement shown below). It's the same flaw so I can now allocate the block to 1L31-60. The horizontal watermark line in my blocks identified them as either 1L31-60 or 1R31-60.

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Partial from an NWPI 2nd watermark 1/- with same inking flaw

I now have been able to plate NWPI blocks of 30 to 1L31-60, 2L31-60 and 2R1-60.

Many thanks to the Stampboards' member who provided the scan.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Wed Jun 29, 2011 07:39:41 am

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Sep 08, 2011 08:52:50 am

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Sep 09, 2011 14:18:07 pm

Shortly, I will be completing the expansion of my outline for this project.

I had hoped to begin posting enlargement scans of the plate flaws from the panes so far identified. This will now be delayed indefinitely while I begin updating some of my observations.

Recently, like within the last 10 minutes and prior to the recent outage, I discovered misplaced correspondence from both Patrick Williams and Bob Parsons including information from David Banwell that verifies some of my conclusions regarding the mostly missing information for Plate 1. As well, some of the scans from the CD sent to me by Bob contain NWPI blocks of 30 with the missing perforation pin - these confirm my conclusion regarding the right panes only for this feature.

Samples appended below.

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Probable 1R1-30 plate flaws (text & composite courtesy Patrick Williams who was working with Bob Parsons and David Banwell)

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So I have to update my conclusions. I believe I can now identify most of the 4 plates - unfortunately this recent discovery might be beyond the scope of my current research since these new blocks are 3rd watermark; hence time required to add this data to my previous conclusions.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2011 07:46:50 am

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:07:03 am

Progress with preparation of composites illustrating the various flaws, from each of the plates, has been slower than anticipated.

I've been experimenting with using either edited scans from Snagit or a combination of manually drafting the numerals then reducing the composite on a photocopier. Hopefully I can replicate/simulate the composites that Parsons & Banwell prepared for their incomplete research I'm augmenting (see my recent posting for their 'Half Pane E - 1R1-30).

Ultimately an actual scan of each flaw will be posted notwithstanding that a black & white photocopy has more visual impact.

It also takes an inordinate amount of time to compose the text that comprises the flaw description. A template has been prepared to accompany the flaw scan - see example below.

Since 1L31-60 has few flaws I will begin posting this partial plate first.

More than likely the sequence of posting the identified plates might not follow their proper sequence.

Soon I will be adding an NWPI block of 30 from 2R1-30 to my collection; necessitating more research of this pane.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2011 09:54:27 am

I've encountered a hiccup/problem resolving identification of 1R31-60. An issue has cropped up.

In the interim I will post a mock-up of what I propose to use for each flawed plated position I have identified. The postings will consist of four areas.

Area 1 - Simulation of the 4 plate configuration used to print the 1/- Roo including an enlargement of the plate the illustrated flaw is found on and the actual plate position of the flaw.
Area 2 - An enlargement of the stamp the illustrated flaw(s) is/are found on along with each flaw location encircled.
Area 3 - Written description of the flaws and their location.
Area 4 - Enlargements of each of the flaws described in Area 3.

See sample appended below.

During the next two weeks, while I complete compilation of all the flaws found on 2R1-30, I would appreciate any comments on these proposed formats.

I intend each of these to be stand-alone. A glossary and geographical place names postings will be made to assist the user's understanding of my written description of each flaw.

Ultimately, I will prepare composites (illustrating all flawed positions on one enlarged copy) per pane of 30 stamps.

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Sample without annotation. The complete stamp shown is not from 2R1:

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Dec 15, 2011 06:33:44 am

While objectively looking at the content of my proposed plating postings I already noted a couple of mandatory additions.

1. A reference to the watermark found for each flaw should be included either in a tablulated format or a comment. I do have some flaws in 3rd watermarked paper - they may be mentioned for completeness but their inclusion is not mandatory.

2. A hierarchy of flaws is required i.e. major flaws such as large breaks, gashes, possible retouches etc should be listed first and in bold letters; then minor flaws based on the criterion that they are not visible to the naked eye - unless one either scans the stamp or uses a microscope or magnifying glass.

Any comments before I reassess?

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2012 06:57:16 am

An introduction to my initial postings of 2R1-30.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2012 07:03:05 am

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat Jan 07, 2012 14:02:46 pm

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat Jan 07, 2012 14:08:59 pm

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat Jan 07, 2012 14:14:10 pm

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tooler · **Posted:** Sun Jan 08, 2012 04:10:17 am

Great thread Kainnikanada. Will you publish this in book form when complete?

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2012 05:09:28 am

Tooler:

Thanks for the compliment.

I've just realized that I should have included, immediately after each documented plate position, a full-sized normal scan of each plated stamp with the varieties.

When I began this project a couple of years ago it was more for curiosity than research. Last year, after receiving copies of the initial work began by Parsons & Banwell, I am now committed to seeing this through as a publication notwithstanding the absence of confirming several panes. A few panes are provisionally plated.

After posting the conclusions of my research in tandem with Parsons & Banwell I am hoping collectors will provide clues allowing me to further plate some of the provisional panes. NWPI multiples (in blocks of 30) are becoming extremely rare and expensive.

I will not work on a method of publication until I complete these postings although the reason for delaying posting was due to formatting presentation - ensuring consistent text, enlargements etc.

I sort of followed Banwell & Parsons 9d Roo checklist format.

On the backburner is a Geo. V ½d Electro 3 checklist expanding on Dix & Rowntree's listings.

alltorque · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2012 15:44:00 pm

Great work Kainnikanada,
following this with great pleasure, learning heaps along the way.
Keep up your splendid informative postings.
cheers

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat Jan 21, 2012 05:26:25 am

Yesterday, January 19, 2012, I received a scan of a marginal block of 3rd watermarked Die II Kangaroos from the upcoming Prestige auction 171. They are shown below. The presence of the watermark letter "P" and a partial "O", reading downwards, locates the block from the Right Pane of Plate 2, positions 17-8 & 23-4.

I can confirm the following on the above block:

2R18a,b: are not present therefore they are EFOs

2R23a: also not present therefore an EFO as well

2R24a: although faint, does exist therefore constant

I will be posting scans of the above revisions which supersede the previous posts.

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NOTE:

When and where practicable I will add information from any 3rd watermark copies whose plate position I can confirm.

The heading of each revised page will include reference to the watermarks.

I will continue to document any EFOs (especially colour flaws such as ink spots) if I find at least three copies. Although transitory (inconstant), they can assist in identifying any copies whether they be singles or multiples.

alltorque: Your compliment was appreciated. Thanks.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Tue Apr 10, 2012 00:24:35 am

Updates to this thread.

1. I'm working on completing a list of the flaws found on Plate 2L. Banwell & Parsons began compiling those flaws from 2L1-15 (partial) and 2L31-60. They even prepared a composite drawing. I will be utilizing a combination of their research findings complemented with those of mine. I do not have some of their listed cliche flaws in my collection.

2. I've been corresponding by emails and during the past weekend by telephone, with a fellow NWPI collector who possesses some 15+ NWPI blocks of 30 of the 1/- Roo. Logistically it will be difficult for me to obtain high resolution scans of his material. So I will continue my research based on what material I have and will augment the findings when the opportunity arises to look at his material. Revisions might result from this but I prefer to begin listing what I have observed so far.

Lakatoi 4 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:10:23 am

In relation to point D (i) regarding selvedge markings and more particularly with the crosses and L shaped markings in one of your posts above, I can confirm from recent research on the BNG issues, that these are paper cutting guide marks.

They are impressed from the dolly roller onto the paper roll at the same time as the w/marks. With the paper mill producing for DLR's BNG, early Zanzibar and other issues, sheets were cut from the roll in reams of 500.

With the early Roo's, I assume the cutting would have been similarly done at a paper mill from a roll (these were often 1 km long) and then the reams delivered to the printers. Reams may have been in different quantities and sheets would certainly have been of different sizes than the BNG and similar issues.

I have documentation on the paper mill guide mark and cutting procedures if you need them.

Global Administrator · **Posted:** Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:47:30 am

Kainnikanada - great work and beautifully well presented. :mrgreen:

I have moved it in here so that you can edit the older posts if you have need to, thus keeping it accurate.

Glen

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 07:45:32 am

I was planning on posting the flaws for 2L1-60. Then I discovered that 2R31-60 was never completed.

I'll now post this pane of 30 flaws.

Note: I have not seen a high resolution scan of this pane. There are several blocks of 30 on the CD I have, but they're low res. Any plated flaws I show that have a black & white scan appended are taken from a copy of Banwell & Parsons' composite I was given; all others come from stamps in my collection.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 08:11:16 am

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 08:35:51 am

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 08:55:25 am

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2012 13:14:55 pm

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2L15

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2012 13:24:21 pm

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:57:17 pm

Between today, October 23 and October 25, 2012 I will be completing the posting of Plate 2L.

Included in these postings will be:

2L12 minor cosmetic corrections

NEW Postings will include:
2L13, 2L16-20, 2L23, 2L27, 2L32-34 & 2L37-60

The above postings will be in the order shown above. As a result, 2L12 & 2L13 will be out of sync with the previous posting of 2L1-15.

As noted earlier I believe I have 1L31-60 & 1R31-60 in NWPI blocks of 30. Work on these upper two plates could be stalled until I have access to additional NWPI material either as a result of what I acquire or scans I receive from fellow collectors.

As well, there are about 20 flawed stamps in my collection that have not been allocated to any of the plate positions I have either posted or will be posting. These could come from 1L1-30 or 1R1-30.

Upon completion of these new postings, being unable to plate additional flaws and not receiving any responses to my listings, I will assume my observations are fundamentally correct then begin transferring these postings to the 1/- Roo wiki. This thread will still have the introduction to plating the 1/- as well as any new discoveries I make.

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 13:09:47 pm

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2L29

Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 04:22:56 am

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Kainnikanada · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 04:48:29 am

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