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Hi ,
I found this England stamp, but I can't catalog it, because he has no hyphen after Six, and no Nr. plate.
Can you help me please?



I can't find in my Scott catalog

It's from the 1862-64 "small uncoloured letter in each corner". None have plate numbers or hyphens after SIX (those are the 1865-67 and 1867-80 issues). Yours is one of these:

SG 83 - 6d deep lilac (no hair lines)
SG 84 - 6d lilac (no hair lines)
SG 85 - 6d lilac (hair lines added)

Hair lines are the white lines in the corner of the stamp:



Yours seems to have no hair lines, but on a close look there may be a slight indication of these lines on the bottom corners. Could you post a larger pic of the bottom corners please?

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Hi.

The small corner letter issue should have a hyphen after the SIX.

No hair lines is Plate 3.
With hair lines is Plate 4.

A couple of examples can be found - http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=30592

The hyphen was removed on Plate 8.

Something odd here

Dave.

The stamp you have is SG85 Small white letters and hairlines from plate 4 (plate number was not shown)

Now as has already been pointed out by Dave, the stamp should have a hyphen between SIX and PENCE. So we have 2 possibilities why it is missing.

A: It was omitted at printing. This could be possible as one example has been found on SG84 (without hairlines) lettered K-A. If this is the case you would have a great rarity

B: The hyphen has been scratched away. (Probably in an attempt to forge a rarity)

Looking at your stamp there do seem to be a paler/thinner area between the SIX and PENCE, suggesting "B" is the more likely reason. But without seeing that area under high magnification it is hard to tell.

Please look at the area under high magnification and let us know what you find.

Iggy

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Many thanks to all for the reply, and now I load an enlargement.



This stamp come from a collection of my Grandfather, I don't think that someone scratched away the hyphen but all it's possible.
What do you think?

I'd lean towards paper damage.
The paper surface in that area looks rough.

The real give away is the missing part of the cancel. Also if you look at the top of the white area, where the coloured line is the "surface" of the paper appears to have two levels.

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Thanks for reply.
What do you think, can i do other tests on it?
Like check Watermarks or perforations or ...?

If your scanner will do this, set the dpi to 1200 and set the image size to 300%. Then just scan the area between the X and the P and see how that comes out. Post THAT image up here and I bet we see any damage.

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trippese

Your stamp is almost certainly a Scott No. 39, an 1862 6p lilac, plate 3, no hairlines. It has had a hyphen which may have been scratched away, these are the small white (uncolored) letters rather than the large white (uncolored) letters.

It is certainly NOT No. 39a, the blued paper, and also not likely to be No. 39b, the thick paper. It is certainly NOT likely to be No 39c, the watermark variety rarity, 3 roses & shamrock. Also I do not believe it is the other shade, No. 39h, the 6p deep lilac (Plate 3)

The numbers above taken from my latest 2007 Scott Classic, though I doubt they will have changed.

Kindest regards

Richard Debney

That's what it looks like to me too - the top of the white area where the hyphen should be looks damaged. Try a close-up scan as librarianc suggests.

I too have a collection inherited from my grandfather, who collected them (I guess) from the 1920s onwards, and found some dodgy ones that are not what they seem

Remember this stamp was issued in the 1860s - plenty of time for it to have been tampered with before your grandfather got it.

Dave.

PS. You can zoom in on trippese's second scan using CTRL + (in Firefox).

I tried to put the stamp on water, and i saw that it was scratched away damn.

Big thanks to all for the suggestion.