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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:02:44 am 
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An Alberta labour arbitrator has dismissed a grievance brought by the Canadian Union of Postal workers on behalf of a postal clerk who was fired for inappropriate Facebook postings directed at the company and her supervisors.

The woman, with 31 years of service, worked at a postal depot in Edmonton where there was considerable labour unrest. The friction related to management’s efforts to minimize socializing on the job and increase productivity. One result was verbal clashes between older workers and a 24-year old supervisor. The woman participated in these events and was given a three day disciplinary suspension without pay from October 20 – 22, 2009 - before her Facebook postings were discovered in mid-November. Subsequently she was fired.

The 30 postings contained derogatory, mocking statements about her supervisors and Canada Post. In several comments the woman suggested she had a voodoo doll of one supervisor and if she hadn’t been drinking, “she would take her out on the driveway and run her over.” These threatening posts were sent to more than 50 of the clerk’s Facebook friends including several co-workers.

The two supervisors disparaged were distraught when they heard about and read the postings and took time off work for emotional distress.

Canada Post argued that the postings were grossly insubordinate, could damage the organization and greatly harmed the supervisors. Canada Post also pointed out that the woman was unapologetic, and justified her actions by blaming her supervisors for creating an intolerable work environment. Under the circumstances and despite her long service, the employer maintained that termination was warranted.

The union grieved her firing, but accepted the postings were regrettable and ought not to have been made. They argued however, that a toxic work environment explained why the woman had chosen to vent her frustration in this manner and noted she believed her Facebook postings were private. Considering the woman's long service and how close she was to retirement, the union suggested that discharge was too harsh.

In a decision released in March, the arbitrator acknowledged the woman's age and length of service might in some circumstances be grounds for reinstatement. However, he found that her attitude made her a poor candidate for reestablishing the employment relationship and that she simply refused to accept accountability for her actions. As a result, he concluded that Canada Post had just cause to terminate her.

The moral of this story?

If you have beefs about your employer or co-workers, don’t post them on Facebook or any other social media site. You do not know who your “friends” really are. And even if think you are restricting access to a select few people, you are leaving a digital trail that can come back and bite you.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 17:24:55 pm 
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you are leaving a digital trail that can come back and bite you.

Exactly.

As Forrest Gump said, "stupid is as stupid does."

Post it online, and it's there forever. Think twice before hitting the submit button.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 09:06:55 am 
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Proper way to deal with these issues is to confront your boss and, if nothing is done, escalate it within the organization and be prepared to live with the consequences.

Never, never go public! Many employers would want nothing to do with this person whether he or she was right or wrong. Human nature!

If anyone thinks employers don't check the social media as a way of screening potential employees, they should give their head a shake.

This person should have given some thought as to whether or not the instant gratification of slamming his or her superiors on the internet was worth the self-inflicted harm.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:53:02 am 
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Good riddance - no employer wants ingrates like that on the payroll.

If you have a beef take it to your company, not publish it on the web.

Sadly there are FAR too many of the same whiners in quasi Government jobs, and over here sadly, you'd need a stick of Gelignite to get rid of them.


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Poor woman. I love her stance! If I had a company I would hire her immediately. Bravo madam! Bravo!

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Proper way to deal with these issues is to confront your boss and, if nothing is done, escalate it within the organization and be prepared to live with the consequences.


Great advice. Maybe next time when someone deals with a racial white male you can take it to their boss who will be white to complain about a white man being racist to you. That'll solve the problem quick.


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Katchem_ash, you are an idiot and I am sick of reading your racist rants on threads.

How do you think you will ever go trying to get a job yourself, as you're never likey to own a company for very long? :roll:

I am sick of reading "thread terrorism" posts.

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Katchem , take a chill pill bro... Not everything is racially motivated... If you have a grudge against white people, keep it to yourself and stop turning everything to a "racial conflict".. This is not the first time you are doing something like this.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:08:26 pm 
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Katchem_ash wrote:

Poor woman. I love her stance! If I had a company I would hire her immediately.

Bravo madam! Bravo!



This attitude is exactly why you are an idealistic Uni student, and not someone who has made a success in the business world.

My tip is you will go broke in a week when you do join the real world, and need to start making a living, if you think like that. :idea:

All your posts here are predicated on the underdog theory - you PERCEIVE racism is behind everything in life.

Every loser who gets what they deserve is in YOUR mind, because they were discriminated against - because they were Pakistani or Muslim or whatever.

Nowhere in the Canada story was there any mention of the sacked worker's colour or ethnicity or religion that I saw.

There are idiots in every race, and she was one. And paid the price.

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Maybe next time when someone deals with a racial white male you can take it to their boss who will be white to complain about a white man being racist to you. That'll solve the problem quick.


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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh Ash!

Maybe you are just 'taking the mickey', but that was so inappropriate. You could of course have suggested that it was an example of gender prejudice, but it doesn't seem very likely.

By the way, if you applied for a job with my firm, & I read that comment, you would not get the job. That decision is based on your attitude & potential for stirring up trouble and absolutely nothing else!

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The whole story is in the quote below:-

There is too much talking, not enough working going on and when asked to get back to work, the supervisor got a serving for her trouble.

That's about it in a nutshell.

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The woman, with 31 years of service, worked at a postal depot in Edmonton where there was considerable labour unrest. The friction related to management’s efforts to minimize socializing on the job and increase productivity. One result was verbal clashes between older workers and a 24-year old supervisor. The woman participated in these events and was given a three day disciplinary suspension without pay from October 20 – 22, 2009 - before her Facebook postings were discovered in mid-November. Subsequently she was fired.


I don't think Katchem_ash has really read the article properly or I'm sure he wouldn't want a slacker on his work team 8)


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mobbor wrote:
You could of course have suggested that it was an example of gender prejudice, but it doesn't seem very likely.



That would not be likely at all when you read that the sacked female postal worker ranted off on facebook at her female supervisor.

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mobbor wrote:

That decision is based on your attitude & potential for stirring up trouble and absolutely nothing else!


Yes our Katchen friend has had a short but interesting history here.

He told us all that Chinese stockbooks are far superior to German made "Lighthouse" -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=36611

And nominated one of his own threads for "Thread Of The Month" - that's a first around here

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8100&p=2750386#p2750386

And for an encore, posted a link to a "blocked attack website" - that 'Katchem_ash' casually seems to admit he knew was the case.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=36803


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Ah Come on Glen own up..No one can possibly be this obnoxious. This is up there with the biscuit tin and with the President Sarkosy thread.

Please admit this is just you have us all on and restore my faith in human nature....Please tell me Katchen only exists in your warped but humorous mind...


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I don't bother with facebook at all...It's a release mechanism for the sheeple so they can posture and post pics of themselves living la vida loca...makes their pathetic little lives seem more than they actually are. FB also functions as an open source for humint.

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FB also functions as an open source for humint.

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I don't know why I do it, just curiosity I suppose, but when I see odd words supposedly in English I have to go and check them; may be useful in Scrabble sometime.

But I doubt HUMINT is there, hell even 'Human Intelligence' doesn't really explain what it is. Human intelligence is what we are all supposed to have, but if everybody used the intelligence they had they would use words that we cold all understand, instead of dumb jargon. It could only have originated in the US where they just have to have pronounceable abbreviations instead of acronyms.

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FB also functions as an open source for humint.

-FK

I don't know why I do it, just curiosity I suppose, but when I see odd words supposedly in English I have to go and check them; may be useful in Scrabble sometime.

But I doubt HUMINT is there, hell even 'Human Intelligence' doesn't really explain what it is. Human intelligence is what we are all supposed to have, but if everybody used the intelligence they had they would use words that we cold all understand, instead of dumb jargon. It could only have originated in the US where they just have to have pronounceable abbreviations instead of acronyms.


'Humint'...Human Intelligence...the who, what, when, where, how and why of people, their habits, attitudes, thoughts, words, actions and reactions used for strategic and political purposes. By the way...The American Intelligence establishment was and remains notoriously Anglophile and learned everything they know from the Brits.

Check That
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I'll bet nobody in the UK ever referred to it as Humint, even in the military.

And now, as I have made the tread wander off topic a bit, I shall wander off myself.

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Poor woman. I love her stance! If I had a company I would hire her immediately. Bravo madam! Bravo!

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Proper way to deal with these issues is to confront your boss and, if nothing is done, escalate it within the organization and be prepared to live with the consequences.


Great advice. Maybe next time when someone deals with a racial white male you can take it to their boss who will be white to complain about a white man being racist to you. That'll solve the problem quick.


What an absolute ....

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"the woman suggested she had a voodoo doll of one supervisor and if she hadn’t been drinking, “she would take her out on the driveway and run her over.”

This might have been a clue :idea:

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Most employers do indeed scan your FB profile and get an idea of any innate insanity that you might have forgotten to divulge in the job interviews :D

Katchem... really dude?!!! Do you have to wind up people everytime? :lol:

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And it's not just potential employers, Facebook continues to be useful even after you employ someone. A couple of months ago one of my staff called in sick..mid morning another employee showed me the miscreant's Facebook page where she had announced to the world the previous evening that she was taking a sick day as she just couldn't be bothered going to work next day.

I wasn't sure whether to fire her for dishonesty or sheer stupidity. Of course with the labour laws down here I actually couldn't do either..but that's another story..


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more about HUMINT, including definition :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_inte ... (espionage)

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