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Hi everyone, hope your keeping warm if in Australia.

I found this online, wondering if it's worth the chase it has a saddle and well slightly off centre , left border looks a bit rough too, going for $5.
I/36 is this right?



Michael

Is this 2d Brown Die 2 SM 13½ plateable? Its main claim to fame seems to be the compartment dot off the top left corner of the cross, and the right frame.


Thanks

Good day to you all, here are some just recently purchased.

This 1½d I bought thinking it may be a flaw off the 1 in the lv but as my knowledge is limited it could be a tinshed, it has also a couple other marks circled in red and a break in the line between the emu legs and a scratch or line either side of the kangaroo face. Watermark crwon over A.






More to come
Michael

Second one is a 2d red with a lot of overinking and joined letters in Australia. Watermark Crown over A.




Finally my new favourite, can this 1d red be used in Wiki? Watermark crown over A.



Anything of interest here?
Michael

Micky,

Based on the flaw in the left value tablet this one is 8R45.

Sorry I can't help with the others.

Cheers

Staples

Many thanks Staples, it's the largest flaw in my collection now I like it.

Michael

Maybe 2L60

a Australia Band: The "S" of Australia has a white flaw projecting
upwards.

b Upper Frame: At right, the inside of the frame is irregular and has a
notch 1mm long and starting 1¼mm from the right frame,

c S.E. Corner: Pointed diagonally downwards. (Variable)

d S.W. Corner: Lower part of left frame shaved inwards causing the S.W.
comer to look pointed. (A small compartment dot may appear at
the point but is inconsistent)

z1 Crown Top: Small compartment dot at left comer ½mm above crown
top and 14mm to the left of comer. (Inconsistent and mainly seen
in red - not illustrated

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I've given up on the 1 1/2d Die 2 strip.....so many possibilities leading no-where.

Mickey
1/36 is right & the messed-up right frame is often there as well.
2d single watermark is not constant. That appearance is quite common & a bit of a mystery as to the cause.
1d with compartment lines on 3 sides is almost certainly from the top row of pane 3 or 4, possibly 3/1. Any marginal watermark lines?

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mobbor

GUTTERS,

Many thanks...

Hi mobber thanks for your help, as for the marginal wmk there is none the crown over A is almost dead centre unless the wmk line is blended in with the border.

I played around with the colour so you could see the watermark.



Cheers again mobber

Michael

Just a quick one, is the line at the base known as a kiss or just some extra inking? Looks to be some red ink all around the base over the words postage and through the white borders. Also a line break between the crown and right wattle



Thanks
Michael

Is that not a watermark line at the right side, making it a left marginal stamp ?

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Donald.
Aus KGV Head Addict !

It could be Donald, I mentioned it might be in the line of the border which confuses me a bit I need special eyes or just learn what to look for.

Cheers
Michael

Mickey

Re 1d: I don't know whether that's a marginal line or not. If you hold it up in front of a strong light you should be able to tell. It'll look like a white line: compare it with the rest of the watermark. If it is, I'd be confident that it's 3/1.

The 1 1/2d is known as 'slurred print'. It is catalogued. It's an o.k. example, extending into the shading lines in the oval, but they can be much better, or, is that worse.

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mobbor

Well your right about the strong light, I tried the heater lights in the bathroom and clearly there is a watermark between the border and the extra line as you said a 3/1.

Thank you mobber and Donald for helping, I like this 1d a lot and it has an odd colour about it.

Cheers
Michael

Not a KGV, but doesn't this 9d purple roo have an unusual line also running the length of the stamp? (see right hand side)

Debbie

Hi Debbie66

It's a long time since I studied roos, but as I remember all 3 single watermarks had marginal lines.

In your stamp I think I can see the crown A centred to the right & a marginal line on the left. Of course this makes it a right marginal stamp, which is probably what you meant.

This gives me the opportunity of re-inforcing Kainnikanada's comments about the importance of the back of the stamp in plating:-

1. The marginal watermark lines narrow down the task considerably. To take an extreme e.g. in electro 24 of the 1 1/2d Die 1's there is an identical flaw on R54 & 59. They can only be separated if there is a marginal line present.

2. In some cases, esp. with large multiple watermarks, apparent flaws are in fact caused by the ink not taking properly on the thinner paper above the watermarks.

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mobbor

Thank you Mobbor,
I'm posting the pic of the front for you to comment on.
I posted it months ago for comments and the Stampboards members said it was just scuff marks.
I agree with most of the marks, but not the patch missing on the roos back leg.
I have had it magnified and there are no signs of any scuff marks on the leg, just lack of any colour.
I still think it is a rare one, what do you think.

Cheers
Debbie

Debbie

This is the wrong thread, but I remember enough to know whatever it is, it's not a constant flaw & I seriously doubt whether any of the other flaws- there's quite a few- are either.

Your scan is smaller than what we usually deal with here. I have a built-in magnifier. It's not very good, but the surface of the large flaw- I hate to say- looks 'scuffed'.

There are quite large marks on the un-inked paper in the Northern Territory above the roo's back. They are in line with the exclamation mark in front of the main flaw. I have no idea what caused that, but again, it's not a plate flaw.

There is a similar thread to this dealing with roos. If you haven't tried that before, give it a go. They are the experts.

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mobbor

Thank you very much for your info.

Regards
Debbie

Micky:

I'll give my 2 cents worth on this one.

The watermark line should affect the paper in a similar fashion that the "crown above A" does since both thin the paper fibres at point of contact.

When I look at your enhanced scan of the back of the stamp I see quite a difference in colour between the two. Take another look at the left side of the front scan - doesn't the left edge of the inked cliche line up with the what you've ascertained to be the watermark line?

I believe the apparent watermark line is a phantom mark due to the enhancement of the colours.

Somewhere on this thread I posted a scan showing the distance between the right edge of the crown and the vertical watermark line - think it was 7mm for the Georgian watermark which is approximately a third of the width of the stamp cliche (excluding the white margins).

When I get home I'll scale your scan to show where the watermark line should fall.

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Hi Kainnikanada, I will just place the two scans together.



Thanks for helping, love this thread love the help you and mobber, GUTTERS and the other members .

Michael

Micky:

You almost had me questioning my math skill set. I took measurements from the scan of the front of your stamp, applied a reduction factor based on the measurements of a real stamp, then plotted where the watermark line would be positioned relative to the location of the crown.

Well, it nearly fell off the earth. Then I noticed the scan of the back was at a different size relative to the front one. So I had to apply another scale factor.

The watermark line does end up just outside the perforations of the stamp therefore we are looking at either a phantom line or an image of the outside frame line.

Perhaps someone else could verify this. The watermark line lies approximately 6-7mm beyond the crown.

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Big appology for the scan error sorry Kainnikanada, thanks very much for helping


Michael

Here are a few KGV's that I could use help with.

Thanks,again.
Paul

The 1st one is a single watermark with an inking flaw behind the Roo.



2nd is a large multiple watermark with 2 notches in the top left corner.



I believe this may be a copy of an Unlocated flaw L1 ( maybe a copy is needed for the wiki)



And this is a copy of "Earless George" / "George Van Gogh"

Paul,

This one in 8L55, second state. Unfortunately I can't help with your other two 1½d browns.

Regards,

Staples

Thanks Staples for your assistance.
Much appreciated.

Paul

Can I ask for some help on the 4 pence please ?

This has 2 scratches below top frame, right and left sides


The right frame has lower white marks + missing a leaf in right wattles


This has an attempted repair with a hinge.
It has a scratch to the face from the lower left corner


Top right corner + lower right value tab, to and beyond the frame looks a bit like 1d rusty red.
This is a right side marginal stamp, thanks to the watermark line running vertically down the stamp.

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Rackrunner

1st 1 1/2d: large inking flaws are seldom constant.. I tried to find something to match the uneven left frame, but no luck.

3rd 1 1/2d: presumably you're looking at the distinctive frames in the top left corner. What is L1? U.C.V's are known as C in brown, or B, if they also occur in black-brown.

2d: the ear is actually pretty normal. Most of the top half is 'inked out', except for the very top, which in this case is obscured by the postmark. There were a couple of things I looked for. Is there a notch on the left frame, round about the roo's tail, or is it damage?

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mobbor

Hi Barry-e

So far I can offer:
1.3L2
4.2L30. The main flaws for this cliche are actually below the right value shield.

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mobbor

G'day everyone I've just came across what I think might be a merged flaw Die II on a 1d Red G12 shade:



And a closer look:



I'm probably clutching at straws here.

Plates as 2-07 - the compartment marks on the left side are conclusive.

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Hi ChrisGray,

I do not think that your merged Die 2 is a G12 shade, I'm sure that it is a G15 Reddish Pink, printed on semi surfaced paper.

Best regards David

Good spot there, it never pays to do shading with tired eyes late at night. The UV light doesn't lie (G12 on left, G15 on right, subject in middle):


Excuse the poor photos, it was a bit early this morning for me.


Thanks to Kainnikanada for the ID.

Hi ChrisGray,

Could I suggest that you try and find stamps dated Nov-Dec 1914 that show a Bright Orange to Bright Orange-red UV reaction, you can then sort them out between G11/12 and then replace your G12 shown above.

I do like to see a dated stamp used as it help to prove that it is not a shade that was issued later, OK there is a one in 5,000 chance that the date stamp was set incorrectly but when you have a 100 G12's you can soon pick it out.

Best regards David

I have the attached Single Watermark (no watermark lines)KGV plated as I/27-28-29, with a shade of G68.
Going through all my 1d Reds I am having doubts about some of them, these included, so I would like some new 'eyes' on the job.



Thank you

Barry_e your 1st orange do we have any water mark lines
1L1
Humped-back G of postage
a. Postage: horizontal line 0.25mm long projecting to the left from middle of the back of the G

But it does not have

b. Head: break in the 4th vertical line from the right on the kings neck 9.5mm from the lower frame.

Corner watermark would help

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Thanks Gutters.

Nothing on this one, and it should show being off center.

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Greetings all.

This was listed as a Rusted Cliche,would that be correct or is it just washed out?

Hi alexproskurin,

The stamp is NOT a Rusted Cliche.

It could be a Rough Paper.

Best regards David

Thank you David for your quick reply.
Cheers AL

I saw a few of those being offered on ebay, there was from memory 5 of them, titled sub-cliche / rusted-cliche.

If that is one of the ebay bay items, you may be able to return it.

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Thanks Barry,Ill get onto it!!
Cheers AL

Ebay.
I saw this, instantly clicked buy now $4.50.



I have it now and I did the scan.




I know the saying too good to be true and I know the date makes it too early but I will take this punt every day.
One side looks a bit line perf, one side looks comb perf , the corners are line perf shaped.

What do you guys think ?

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Sorry Barry, comb perf for me.

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Hi folks,

Found this 1d "Secret Mark" VII/1 SEPT 1923

Curious about the watermark position & the E in ONE. Also seems to have a wider LH border.

Thanks in advance

Regards Chris

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Okay, this one has me scratching my head. Excuse the crappy photo in lieu of a scan, my scanner is having another day off. Although the photo isn't the interesting part. It's a normal looking, single watermark 2d Red Die I:



I throw everything in the uv lightbox now (plug) out of habit, and was surprised to see this stamp had what looked like an aniline reaction, as opposed to the boring purple and browns I'm used to with 2d Reds. Here's longwave and shortwave respectively:



As you can see, the red ink has a distinct glow to it. The shortwave (right) is a stronger reaction than seen with the naked eye, due to the camera exposure. The rest of the stamp nor envelope glow and it's still on piece, so I can rule out something on the surface affecting it or a result of soaking.

Why I'm scratching my head is, I don't have a large enough sample of these or experience enough to know if one of the normal shades gives this reaction. The only listed aniline in the ACSC is listed as I. INTENSE SCARLET (ANILINE) (OS only), and only priced in unused condition. This is both used and clearly not OS.

A single line dismissing me will be quite satisfactory, although I do harbour the endless hope that I've finally found something nice.

It looks like VII/1 to me, see the comparison on the wiki. The frame on the example is thinned half way down though (yet has the line running through the rest as yours does), so more experienced eyes may find it's a different one. As for the watermarks, don't they appear just about anywhere? I'm guessing the straight lines are ink remains from the envelope.

3dBlue:

The lines you see are marginal watermark lines, the occur around the perimeter of each pane. As your stamp is from the top left,position 1, it has both top and left lines (when viewed from the front).

As Kainnikanada, Mobbor and Gutters quite rightly remind me, these can be very useful when trying to plate a stamp.

Cheers

Staples