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Hello all!

I've warned some people about thiese, but apparently it seems that more of this type of junk is comming up - so here's a generel advice for thoes without reference material and to thoese with refference material.

I org. posted this on the stamp forum I'm moderating (it's apart of a larger collecting forum, but as per Admins request here, I hope it will get some attention as this is high valued items - and we're all unlucky once or twice in our life...

Typical fake junk from Ebay and other auction sites - many of thiese images are from real issued stamps - but have been scanned and printed as the following items... - Note that they appear is just about every colour in the spectrum - mainly red and blue tho.

I'll be making 9 postings (for the day, who knows... ) so wait with the replys untill then.

Kloste

First is a very commen cover seen (commen as in just fresh from the printer) being passed as being real.

This being the unperf. version of the french Waffen SS polar bear issue

It's not - luckly for us who know something about this stamp, the person(s) making thiese covers wrote the excat same thing on em all, with the same poor handwritting!

2nd EDIT - Thiese sheets are private prints as in a cinderella or even a charity sheet and as such would be needing a offical German stamp if they were to be mailed to the French LVF soldiers at the front

sheet mnh is 500 euro
CTO 600 euro



Edit - if this cover was surpose to be real how come I could get this aswell?



EDIT - I'll just post the links for now on unless I spot something different.

http://www.box.net/shared/static/8or3uuqbpa.jpg
http://www.box.net/shared/static/ukdingummv.jpg

Kloster

more french polar bears - the last one could perhaps fool me, but a used sheet from a wartime cover shouldn't really look that "mint"





Kloster

Does that sheet come "cancelled to order" as well as genuinely used?

We're getting close to see a good copy - but still miles away from anything that could cheat someone that has seen a real one.

I've seen em being sold in many different colours and in different paper quality.

Luckly the real sheets ain't rare (despite ebay sellers word of "wisdom"!)



Kloster

Some of the more commen pieces of junk.

Who ever made thiese surely had been on the wrong end of the pibe!

There's plenty of real issued German stamps from that periode, that have been scanned and then printed as a single on small sheets or as in bloks of four ala thiese.





Kloster

Here's the special items as in big money - but agin the fakers have been nice, all the ripped off covers looking excatly the same - helps IDing the junk!

Here's the Africa stamp (for mail to DAK, Deutsche Afrika Korps, German Africa Corps)



EDIT - here's some more of the same pile of junk.



http://www.box.net/shared/static/4mxqv99xtk.jpg
http://www.box.net/shared/static/6khtbe074b.jpg
http://www.box.net/shared/static/rvb9au4pmb.jpg

Kloster

and the Uboot stamp used at Hella.

As theise stamps were transported with Uboat you can imagen the price and scarity..

The fakers have been a very nice group of lads agin, they mass produced cover types like this.

Note the cancel on the stamp at the next posting.



EDIT - a trimmed version and slightly different version, note the paper change and capitalized letters.



Kloster

Should I presume this is no good?



(someone wants to sell it to me. $3200 stamp for $100 "as-is". I pretty much assume anything offered that way is bad unless I get a strong indication otherwise.)

Great thread Kloster.

I saw this one offered at a large public auction here recently for $100s.

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Not only are the stamps poorly done, but so are the cancels!

And the fakers either did it so we all can easly detect thiese or just due to sheer stupidity!

I mean, Gestapo cancel and such a crude one and in general, German eagles of that timeframe where made to scare you, not looking it's ashame of it'self... very poorly done indeed.





Kloster

As the real stamp is crude anyway, this would fool many. I imagine if I had found it in a stockbook I'd have assumed it was genuine used on piece.

That's where this thread is so useful. Thanks.

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and todays fantasy piece, directly from Ebay - someone had been smoking something funny, agin...



Kloster

Did it sell on ebay?

Glen

Hello Erich.

If I was offered a $3200 stamp for a $100 "as-is", I would atleast expect the picture to be striking clear and as the same size as ones I've been posting.

But with a mere 40 000 stamps with the INSELPOST (this being the Rhodos, nov 1944 issue) issued, I would be vary and not touch it unless I had an expertizer to do the math on thiese.

I see that your's has been cancelled - get a better picture and check out the feldpost number, does it correspond with an actual unit that was placed at Rhodos in that time period, then there's a good chance for the item to be real!

Kloster

sure did, a whooping US $31.00.

give me a few momens and I'll show you more of the same type of overprint on innocent stamps!

Kloster

Don't ebay Germany have a real tough anti forgery committee set up?

Glen

Here it's the italiens getting shafted - not enough that Sweden and Denmark did it at the soccer tournement, but even grece is helping in now! (where the seller is from, he's been reported for having several lots that would cheat everyone)

Seller fotios-96







and even a single RAD stamp getting shafted :/



so many innocent stamps..

Kloster

they sure do! and that's prolly the reason as to why you won't see that username agin. but they will always come back, sadly.

Kloster

Well he is a power seller, been a member for 5 years, has over 500 feedbacks and no-one seems to have bothered him yet.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfotios-96

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Well, that's why medals and titels on Ebay means nothing.

the lady (I presume) here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZ1447debra

Is a powerseller aswell - altho I really hate persons with such lame headlines and descriptions - usaly WOW, HITLER, RARE and NAZI in the same sentence get prices to suddenly raising to 200% from the CV/street value

Kloster

PS, the yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THIRD_REICH_STAMPS/ - is one of the most advanced study groups I'm aware of - a member or several contacted the ebay stamp "police" and we hope to see some action soon

Well if they are allowing toned things like this get bids of $US75 they better move fast!

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Why can't they sell issued German stamps like this to France?

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Yes, but the "Fälschungsbekämfung" (forgery abatement) from the BdPh (Federation of German philatelists) says, that works mainly on the German speaking ebay platforms (.de, .at and .ch). Their influence capabilities at other languages sites are not the best.

Well, while France has strick laws regarding Items from the 3rd reich, I'm not sure about the stamps - in generel you arn't not allowed to send any German items from the 3rd Reich to France, as they are illegal, same with Italy I belive, but am not sure.

Kloster

Who knows? I can't find a reason.

How on earth does this common stamp get bids of over $US20???

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I wonder if the signatures on the back of that stamp are of any significance?

Nazi propaganda isn't allowed to trade in Germany like in France, off course. But stamps and coins are in Germany not under this rule.

Kai

The zany high bidder on that item above - schoefrw - is buying Nazi stamps like a lunatic.

50 feedbacks already but still has the yellow newbie Star. I have NEVER seen that.

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erich they appear forged to me.

Offering a $3000 cat stamp that is kosher for $75 is pretty unlikely.

Glen

If some Americans see a swastika, then the brain is often out of order. You can see from time to time such results. In this case we've mainly two bidders, one from the US and one from UK.

EDIT - I see a blue star, could be a ebay hickup?

Well, either he/she dosn't have a catalogue or do have one, but got too much money - often seen with Americans on auctions with WOW RARE NAZI HITLER descriptions

Herr from my forum was offered the Böhmne Mähren Hitler birthday set (1 euro CV) for a measly 8 NZD! - the seller had several of thiese type of auctions going. ...

Many american gun shows usaly have militia related items and stamps aswell - the 1941 Adolf Hitler set complete in one way or another, can be bought for minium $30!

Kloster - Going to America to make a fortune...

Yes .. where is Herr .. he could add some good input to this thread .. drop him an email perhaps!

He is a member here too. Morning time in NZ now.

Also gavin-h is very big on Germany .. he must be asleep in England.

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Hey Kloster !

Nice to see you here.

Yes even here in NZ there are people dreaming away when selling third Reich stamps sadly.
How about the Reinhard Heydrich death mask stamp, currently (last time I checked) on trademe.co.nz, classed as a super rare SS stamp, one of the few still around, at a whopping starting price of NZ $25.00.
Luckily these chaps don't sell and it just gets re listed, price not changed.

Off course telling them the truth through a question, nothing changes, so they must be aware of what they are doing which is just low.

Wow Hitler Rare ! My toes curl each time I see that line as an auction title...

Then you have the guys who wanna bargain, who think they can get everything for nothing.

O/P on Luftpost stamps I do not even look at on auction sites, too many fakes abound and I dont have enough knowledge or experience.

Instead of buying all he fake stuff and overpriced stuff, like with any hobby, you first need to invest in some reference material.
Can't believe how gullible some people are ...

Herr

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Well Herr, SS, now that has to be super rare!, mind you it is 70 year since it was made!

Here's a funny fake - cancel is fake, so I'm presuming that the OP is (looks crude aswell...) easy to spot if you know historie and pay attention to details.



Kloster

and more from the same seller - the problem with 1 seller having fake items in his/hers auction list one would be afraide to buy other, posible real OP or alike - this one just started on a national auction site.



Postwar local issues - a minefield if you know nothing about the OPs!





Kloster

well thats obvious, jee what an idiot !

Herr

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gotta love bargins, I could get this for a mere 5 euro if I wanted...

on my list it goes untill proven... with 200 issued stamps what am I surpose to belive?



Kloster

Wow .. this one certainly would have fooled me I reckon. some of those other cancels look very easy to spot .. not this one!

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what I wonder about is where is the other half of the stamp ?

Herr

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I more wondering what on earth a stamp like that is doing as a cut in half!

I have never seen such a stamp being used in a manner like that - If I had the feldpost number bible I could have looked the unit up, if there is a unit...

But if you notice the "ring" at the "Feld" area, you will notice that whoever made the cancel wasn't that sure on his/hers hand!

I'll be updating my 2 postings regarding the polarbear on cover and the Uboot "cover" as I found 2 more images to post there.

Kloster

During the war - the allies made fake german stamps, the Operation Cornflakes.

This is surpose to be one of them.

But, this has been proved before, that it's a wellknowen faked fake!

also notice the cancels, same as thoese from the Uboot stamps showen.



EDIT, a different cover but of the same type, faked allied propaganda.

the seller wasn't sure about it being org or not, but he had sold one looking like it,l last year for almost $100, so the one he's selling here had to have some kinda of a "good status"...



Kloster

Kloster, I just want you to know how much I appreciate this thread, and your level of knowledge relating to the issues on which you are posting.

Norm

I have to agree completely. This is not an area of any great knowledge for me, but one of some interest. It will be a asset to be able to reference this thread if any of these items come my way. Thank you for your time with this.

John A

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Thank you gent's, just trying to help others as I've been burned myself in my teens with stamps from this timeframe and military items related to the timeframe aswell.

This letter was offered to a collector, with a interest in sudeten covers, for 2200 euros - it was mailed to an expertizer and this was the end result - OP fake, cancel fake

Knowing WWII and pre WWII historie will help you greatly.

When a letter was posted, the postalclerk would put the city cancels on and then the letter would arrive to the censorship "station" and they would start on reading, so 2 errors here:
1) Cancel ontop of the censorship red eagle. (if anything, it should have been the other way around)
2) Germany didn't censor mail untill the outbreak of WWII - this letter was mailed March 1939 ...





Kloster

Yes I saw Kloster's links to these covers on another board that does not allow photos to be posted, so I suggested he add them here as a new thread, as visuals are 99% of the interest and educational aspect for us others with these.

A GREAT thread and from a member for just a few days .. .thanks Kloster!

Please invite some of the other Third Reich folks to pop by and add to this .. the specific url for this thread to pass on is :

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=2410

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Thanks for the words - sadly you have mistunderstod the other forum, it's just quests who can't see the pictures (seemly the same on every collection forum of this type) - if you register you can see the pictures, sadly the forum had a minor breakdown in the attached pictures, so they are gone and you're only allowed a certean amount of pictures attached via the forum, that's why I use my own ftp - to avoide page after page of postings without pictures.

Well in generel the lads there are militia items collectors and can be a tuff crowd! but we survie.

Just glad I found a international stamp forum with a better response on postings

Kloster

Fantastic. This is an area that interests me, and this detail is a warning to be wary. Thanks Kloster.

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Kloster, thank you for the info. This is an area which interests me (and from which I have a page full of "what is it?" items from various German collections).