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I have recently come across stamped release work papers from ww2 work camp. Image of front/back of 1 of 2 papers.

Does anyone have any imput as to significance and potential value of these items?

Comments would be appreciated.

Best regards,

Jon from NY

Jon, if you go into your photobucket and increase the size option to 15" we will be able to see the certificate a lot better and you will get more interest from members.

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Now that's a great image Jon! I wish I could read German

You watch, the answers will roll in.

Quick guess,I would say worth quite a bit,as they are very hard to come across.
You have this item listed on another thread as not knowing what it is,

But as these sort of items are outside the normal run of catalogues,you would have to check out the Auction Catalogues etc to see if one has been sold recently this will give you an idea on value,

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I was told that they are work release papers from a ww2 work camp. I don't know anything other then that regarding the where, when and who or that exact reasons for being issued. Other questions would be were they common for the time period and what's the historical significance. I am still in the beginning process of researching them though so any information would be greatly appreciated.

Don't limit yourself to German, the stamp is Russian, or at least from a Russian Camp Post.

If my eyes are seeing aright, the written part at left is also Russian, though the last line looks like Landeshut. (corrected - Landeshut was a POW camp.)

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The more I look at it, the more I think your information is probably erroneous.

At the top right, the words include:

Bf - Brief = letter
PAnw - Postanwechung = something like postal money order?
Pkt - Paket = Packet/Parcel
Pgt - Postgut = ?

At the top left Einlieferungsschein means Certificate of Posting. This doesn't mean an individual moving elsewhere, but a postal packet/letter - indicated by the postal datestamp (Tagenstempel printed reading up) of Regensburg at lower left.

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The papers are post stamped (13a) regensburg 2. I can't make out signiture on bottom right. I will post 2nd card in a minute. I believe empfanger in the middle means destination. So the cards are from and to I assume.

Papers 2 of 2 Frnt/Back

1 of 2 frnt/back

Obviously not prisoners of war in April 1948, but a refugee camp. That would account for the possibility of money orders, with money being sent to refugees.

However, further research shows a set of 'Ukrainian Camp Post Regensburg' stamps (not the same as these). These answers were posted in response to a question:

#406 Ukrainian Camp Regensburg. I would assume this is from the immediate post-WWII period, when there were thousands of Ukrainian and other refugees living in DP camps in Germany. Sometimes the camps were so large that it made sense to have a rudimentary postal system. In some cases, the inmates had looked to Hitler's Army as liberators from Stalin's terror. Some fought alongside the Nazis even. Remember, Stalin's collectivization campaign in the 30's had led to a famine in Ukraine, which killed around 7 million people. So, as the WWII drew to a close, these people fled with the German Army to the West. A lot of them were later returned to the Soviet Union by the Americans and British in Operation Keelhaul. Most of them then died in Gulags in Siberia later.
Rick Pinard (15 Mar 00)

This set is mentioned in MICHEL. It is listed under P.O.W.-camp-stamps after 2nd WW. There are no pictures, but they mention an Ukrainian camp in Regensburg. So I guess these stamps were issued there.
Manuel Praest (15 Mar 00)

After the falling of Germany many Lagerpost stamps appeared which where allowed partly by the UNRA (United Nations Relief Rehabilitation Administration) to be used on international mail. As these stamps almost always where private initiatives and their official character in almost every case isn't proven, these stamps are not catalogued. Similar stamps where used in Augsburg, Bayreuth, Dachau, Detmold, Ettlingen, Freimann, Geislingen, Hanau, Helmstedt, Lubeck, Meerbeck, Munster, Regensburg, Schongau, Seedorf and Spakenberg.
Leo Bakx (15 Mar 00)

#406 Ukrainian DP Camp Post. This stamp comes from a set of 10 showing national costumes (this value shows Guzulians) issued on 16 October 1947. The set was designed by Sviatoslav Hordsinski and printed in Regensburg by Friedrich Pustet. This information comes from 'Catalog of DP, POW, Concentration Camp and Ghetto Stamps during and after WW2 in Germany' published by Stereo Stamps (Chicago 1970).
Andrew Riddell (22 May 00)

It's amazing what you can find through google, and if it's in German, google will translate in most cases. Let us know what else you find.

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Thanks for your help and info. I would love to find out if signitures have any significance. They are difficult to make out. Do you think these would have any potential value to the typical collector or would it be a something of a more individual interest? I know it's not something that would be typically cataloged.

I also came across a number of what appear to be Ukranian stamps I'm assuming from the same time period. Also these two markers of some sort to the right and left.

The central one is indeed camp post - lager post - more overtly Ukrainian as it shows the trident used both on 1920s stamps and on post-independence 1992 stamps; the others appear to be tickets. Hermann is, of course, a name - I don't know about the other one.

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Your original item is from the Regensburg Displaced Persons Camp.

I did a quick Google search on "Regensburg DP" and got this as the first link - there are lots more.

http://www.dpcamps.org/regensburg.html

The Prommersberger and Hermann above could be meal
chits, or bus tickets, or even camp money, although I could
find no camp called Prommersberger, only a modern gun
company.

I am still unsure as to what the camp post stamped papers are?? I did find the that green stamp 30 was used in the american zone for DP's in the Regensburg Camp.

"Einlieferung" means "admission," and a "schein" is a bill
or ticket or coupon. But that doesn't tell us much.

I found a site that tells me what this is: stamped receipts of posting for COD shipments:
http://www.briefe-ritthaler.de/Frank_Formulare_17.htm

Not an exact match but same general format. Now I'm not sure if there would be any significance to the DP stamp/time period, but it's a start I suppose.

Hello,

The first paper with the green 30 Pf stamp is from the first definitive issue out of 8 stamps (perforated 11.900 pieces imp. 500 )

The stamp is on a paper for a recommenden letter from Regensburg to Landshut. The brown 3 Mark is the highest of the same series ( 5.075 perf. and 500 imp. )

The stamps were issued June 30, 1947.

DP means Displaced Persons not POW; the DP´s were mostly forced laborers. In the DP camp Regensburg lived 5.000 Ukrainians, who later went between 1947 and 1950 to USA , Austalia and Canada.

They couldnt go back to the Ukraine because they were seen as Collaborateurs with the Germans.

The worth of the paper is between 20.00 and 40.00 $

I am a collector of DP Camp stamps; if You want to know more about the subject or if You want to sell or exchange the paper let me know. (please excuse my bad English!)

Welcome, Inspektor - I am glad to see an expert and
collector in this very specialized area.

Hello ric 5900

the right paper seems to be achit for meal. There is a restaurant in the Augsburger Street which is directly beside the Ganghofer Settlement, the location where the 5.000 Ukrainians lived. The restaurant has a long family tradition.
I will be in Regensburg the 30.12.09 and will visit this restaurant.
More about this subject after my visit.

Best regards inspektor

That is great. I can't wait to see what you find out!

Hello ric5900,


it is as I supposed. Herrmann is a Restaurant since 4 generations and was after ww2 next to the Ganghofersiedlung.

Prommersberger was a bakery which is still existing but under another name.

The old " herrmann was absent so I could not get more infos; perhaps next time.

About the worth of the tokens I cannot say much -I think they are not of high worth, but here I am not specialist.

You can have a look in ebay germany under " Wertmarke " You will find several tokens for little money.

If You have more DP stamps ( Camp Post Regensburg ) scan them I can tell You a lot about them.

And if You want to sell or exchanche the green 30 let me know.

Best regards and excuse for my horrible english ( I should have better learned more in school )


inspektor

hello ric 5900

I could not find out further information;
the persons which were adult in 1945 have died.
The younger living today do not remember the tokens.
So I am sorry - but I did not get further infos.

Best regards and think at me when You want to sell Your Ukrainian Camp Post stamps


Inspektor1708

Ok, well, for what it's worth, here's my take on the Einlieferungsscheine.

They are simply receipts proving that an item has been posted. In the Austrian mail system they are called "Aufgabs-Recepisse" and have exactly the same function. Here's a scan of one I have from 1868.



Anyway, back to the German ones. The first line in the black boxed square states what kind of item was being posted. At the top of the reverse side it lists the abbreviations that may be used for this.

Both of these cards have E. Zk. written there, so a "Eingeschriebene" (registered) "Zahlkarte" (payment card) is what was sent.

A Zahlkarte, I believe, was the document supporting a GIRO-style money transfer. So the sender would pay cash to the post office, which in turn would deposit that sum in the receiver's post office savings account. A Zahlkarte would then be sent to the payee advising that the money had been paid and was available to the payee.

It seems to me that these two cards here are mostly interesting as proof of genuine usage of the Regensburg Camp Post Stamps. In this case to pay the fee for the Einlieferungsscheine. In the long run, Michel might change their mind and list at least some of these stamps.

Hello ric 5900,


somebobdy erased Your adress
please give it again

Best regards

Inspektor1708

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Extremely unwise to post one's address on a public bulletin board. Deleted again.

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hello mod hat on,

how else we can change our adresses and the stamps ?
Thanks for any advice

Best regards


inspektor1708

I believe if you select email it will send info only to the intended recipient. Anyone please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Hello ric5900
I have Your adress from stamp administer and send the letter tomorrow


Best regards


Inspektor1708