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It looks to be Douglas. 24 mm diam and recorded used to Nov 15. Rated R.

For an R rated postmark I would like it to be clearer so a spacefiller.


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Traralgon 3844

Thank you for your help,

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The Exchange, dated 7 Nov. 1917. According to Phoenix, this was changed to Exchange P.O. in April 1917(??)
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A similar problem. According to Phoenix, this has to be Westbrook Siding. It was renamed from Westbrook P.O. in 1897, and renamed Westbrook P.O. c. 1910. (?)
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Mobbor,

The Westbrook Siding, Queensland CDS continued in use at the Office after the name change to Westbrook P.O. Was used well into the 1930’s.
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Why are you still using Phoenix for Queensland Mike ?
Surely you have downloaded the free Dell & Price reference work.
Here is a snippet from that work.

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Thank you Big Tones and Terry. In future, I'll just assume that is the case.

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Mike

Never assume as it makes an ass out of u & me. :D
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Hi

I'm a bit stuck on these South Australian cancels.


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Any help greatly appreciated.

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No. 1. ???.

No. 2. Undalya

No. 3. Most likely Reefton Heights
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Thanks Traralgon,

I'm not unhappy with Undalya rated 5R
Reefton Heights a very, very definite possibility

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Hi Borsac,
I believe the first image you show is YALPARA, but with missing letters.
rated RR.

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An unusual cancellation I have not seen before showing two messages - one vertical (posted in GPO city box) and one horizontal that I can’t make out.

Were these cancellations added at the same time or is it just fortunate spacing that they look side by side?

Any comments would be appreciated, many thanks.
Double cancellation messages - were they added together?
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I can answer what the slogan says:


From Occleshaw Vol 2 page 14 slogan 2:


Address Mail to <br />Private Box Number <br />It Expedites Delivery
Address Mail to
Private Box Number
It Expedites Delivery

Address Mail to <br />Private Box Number <br />It Expedites Delivery <br /><br />plus
Address Mail to
Private Box Number
It Expedites Delivery

plus

posted in GPO city box
posted in GPO city box

Without the full cover we can't tell the whole story but I would think yes, collecting the second on a return or redirection.

Intereesting that Occleshaw has an example of your postmarks together.

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BigSaint wrote:
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I can answer what the slogan says:


From Occleshaw Vol 2 page 14 slogan 2:


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Without the full cover we can't tell the whole story but I would think yes, collecting the second on a return or redirection.

Intereesting that Occleshaw has an example of your postmarks together.

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Thank you for that. Perhaps every item posted in a city box got that slogan along with the original message.

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From a quick look at Occleshaw he makes no specific mention of it. :)
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It appears that from a post above, I don't even know which state numeral postmarks come from. Can you please indicate which state the following comes from-
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And do these always come from N.S.W.?
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It appears that from a post above, I don't even know which state numeral postmarks come from. Can you please indicate which state the following comes from-

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The number inside the diamond shape indicates it is from SA.
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mobbor wrote:
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And do these always come from N.S.W.?

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Not always. Could also be from QLD. Reference works help here.
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:
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It appears that from a post above, I don't even know which state numeral postmarks come from. Can you please indicate which state the following comes from-

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The number inside the diamond shape indicates it is from SA.


Yes def SA. Looks like "64" but that is only a guess.

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It appears that from a post above, I don't even know which state numeral postmarks come from. Can you please indicate which state the following comes from-

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I'm pretty sure this is Diamond Numeral 64 of Clarendon (South Australia)

DN1 #64
1855 to 1873
Rated C

Later used as ADELAIDE killer.. (That would explain its use on a KGV)

References :- South Australian Numerical Cancellations by Campbell & Pearce
The Hand-held Postmarks of South Australia and the Northern Territory

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Thanks Bunge and Terry.

I should explain that the reason I'm not obtaining my own reference materials, is that, in about 3 months, when I finish my hoard, I never expect to have to check a postmark ever again!
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This might be an option for the star 118 numeral cancel

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Thanks Bunge.

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Is this postmark for CHELMER?

Here is a censored WWII era cover with a circular date stamp that I can't confidently read. Perhaps others can help.
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• I think the circular date stamp is for CHELMER QUEENSLAND. Is that correct? The state name is virtually illegible.
• I think the date is 14 OC 43. Any confirmation or correction?
• Why is the date stamp in purple ink?
• I thought censor labels with the number 1 were from Melbourne. Why would a Queensland item be censored in Melbourne on its way to California?
• The NSW 1d OS stamp suggests that the sender and recipient were both stamp collectors.

All comments by collectors experienced with this era would be welcome, thanks.

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Looks like it Roger. See if your postmark measures 26.5 mm across.

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Another cover addressed by Saville Sheard.

If it hasn't been done already, it probably needs to be added to the Saville Sheard thread.


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Thanks BigSaint. It will be added.

Yes that is his handwriting. Another clue is the use of NSW state period OS opts, which he seemed to have a supply of.

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Thamks Ubobo.R.O., BigSaint and MJ's pet. The discussion of the cover continues in the Saville Sheard thread:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=62919&start=330
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Which state please? The no. is 78.
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And this one- 805.

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Is this postmark for CHELMER?

Here is a censored WWII era cover with a circular date stamp that I can't confidently read. Perhaps others can help.
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Image
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• I think the circular date stamp is for CHELMER QUEENSLAND. Is that correct? The state name is virtually illegible.
• I think the date is 14 OC 43. Any confirmation or correction?
• Why is the date stamp in purple ink?
• I thought censor labels with the number 1 were from Melbourne. Why would a Queensland item be censored in Melbourne on its way to California?
• The NSW 1d OS stamp suggests that the sender and recipient were both stamp collectors.

All comments by collectors experienced with this era would be welcome, thanks.

/RogerE :D
Correction: I was a bit rusty on Australian censor label numbers when I made that post. I've since done a bit of revision about the numbers (numerals or number of dots) used on the Australian WWII censor labels, and the "1" on the label for the Sheard cover is appropriate for (southern) Queensland. To list the most common, they include
1 — Brisbane
2 — Sydney
3 — Melbourne
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All higher numbers are scarcer.
Further discussion of this cover is already on the thread for Sheard covers.
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=62919&start=330
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I have this pair of 1d Tasmania pictorials with ‘King’s Island’ postmark.

Is this a scarce postmark as research shows the island, part of the New Year Islands, even today has a very low population.

King’s Island postmark, is this scarce?
King’s Island postmark, is this scarce?

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GB789

Phoenix does not mention scarcity but here are some details from there:


King's &amp; King Island PO
King's & King Island PO

Currie, King Island PO
Currie, King Island PO

I think you may have been here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Island_(Tasmania)

Named after Philip Gidley King:


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Philip Gidley King £2 stamp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Gidley_King

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‘King’s Island’ postmark - there are scarce postmarks from King Island. Unfortunately this one is quite common. Cheers/

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Hello,

Can anyone help me with these two Western Australia postmarks?

One seems to be Collie Fields dated MR 22 01. According to ppa the post office was renamed Collie in 1899, did they continue to use the Collie Fields postmark after renaming the post office? Is this postmark rated somehow?
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The other one shows Georgina and the year 11, the month and the day are inserted with a pencil, looks like 11 AP. According to ppa (searching for Georgina it says see under Georgina Siding) it is Georgina Siding. Did they only use Georgina in the postmark, although the name was Georgina Siding. Is this postmark rated somehow?
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Any help would be great!

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Hello,

Can anyone help me with these two Western Australia postmarks?

One seems to be Collie Fields dated MR 22 01. According to ppa the post office was renamed Collie in 1899, did they continue to use the Collie Fields postmark after renaming the post office? Is this postmark rated somehow?

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The other one shows Georgina and the year 11, the month and the day are inserted with a pencil, looks like 11 AP. According to ppa (searching for Georgina it says see under Georgina Siding) it is Georgina Siding. Did they only use Georgina in the postmark, although the name was Georgina Siding. Is this postmark rated somehow?

Image

Any help would be great!

Greetings

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Hi Josto,
Collie Fields Started out as Coalville in September 1889. A few months later on 6 February 1899 it was renamed to Collie Fields. This again was very short lived, as it again changed to simply Collie on 27-10-1899.
I have recorded this Collie Fields cds in use from 13/01/1900 thru to 2/09/1903.
i.e. this was used well after the name changed to Collie. The first recorded Collie date I have is 12/03/1903.
I would rate this cds as RR, bordering on R.

For the Georgina, you are correct in that the locality was a Railway Siding, although the cds was only ever inscribed Georgina.
I have recorded Georgina strikes from 11/09/1904 (PMI date) thru to 1911 (month unknown-missing).
Your strike with manuscript dateline fills in a gap, so if you are interested in an offer then let me know.
Whilst other references have this as rare, I have seen several dozen examples so would rate it as RRR bordering on RR.
The hardest thing with Georgina is to get a complete, nicely legible strike - they are notoriously overinked with letters missing at the same time! :)
Georgina office closed 1929.

Hope this helps.
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MJ's pet wrote:
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‘King’s Island’ postmark - there are scarce postmarks from King Island. Unfortunately this one is quite common. Cheers/
Cheers both for the information.

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Hi Josto,
Collie Fields Started out as Coalville in September 1889. A few months later on 6 February 1899 it was renamed to
Just correcting a typo - CollieFields started out named as Coalville in Sept 1898. (not 1889 as I wrote above - sorry!)
Transposing 1 number can make a lot of difference at times! :oops:

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Yes, thanks Browny for the correction! I noticed the comment that 1899 was a few months after 1888, and wondered which year was intended...

/RogerE :D

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Further variations [on Muphry's Law] state that flaws in a printed ("Clark's document law") or published work ("Barker's proof") will only be discovered after it is printed and not during proofreading, and flaws such as spelling errors in a sent email will be discovered by the sender only during rereading from the "Sent" box.
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Hi Browny,

thank you very much for your great information!

Best wishes!

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Hello there.
I have always when I get a bigger lot of stamps tried to stash the ones with good cancellations.

And when i stumbled onto this thread i recalled a 2 penny stamp with George V i put away about a year ago.
And I would love some info about the cancellation.

Cancelled:
Quarading Western Australia 23 nov 2?

I think it is Michel.no 34 issued 5/10-1920
but their online catalog is basic at best.

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O.K. No more numeral postmarks. Can you identify this please:-
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And this:-
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...INS ST C.1. ?
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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

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Hi Mobbor,

my first thought is a badly applied PERTH WA postmark?

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That was quick Josto. A bit obvious now you mention it, but thanks.
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COLLINS ST C1.

Bottom part will say either MELBOURNE or VIC-AUST.
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Possibly one of these:


From WWW - Collins St Melbourne C1
From WWW - Collins St Melbourne C1

From Phoenix: Collins Street - PO 1/9/1925; closed 26/6/1992.
From Phoenix: Collins Street - PO 1/9/1925; closed 26/6/1992.

Collins Street appears on this stamp from 1956:


Collins St Melbourne 1s stamp form 1956 Olympics Games set
Collins St Melbourne 1s stamp form 1956 Olympics Games set

Maybe Traralgon3844 can confirm. :D
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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

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Hi

I have this cancel that I cannot work out what the abbreviation means.


SHCC 006.jpg



A closer up version shows that it is SHCC postcode 2576


SHCC 2.jpg



From the Australia Post website these are the locations with 2576


SHCC 3.jpg



Bowral is in an area called the Southern Highlands


SHCC 4.jpg



This could mean that the SH is Southern Highlands and "CC"? possibly Collection Centre but that sounds like where you get a blood test done!!

Does anyone know what SHCC really means and the location of this office?

Thanks
David

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