Help with 1879 5c Zachary Taylor Cover, USA to India

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I have been accumulating covers showing usages of the 5 cent Zachary Taylor large banknote issues of the United States, and I am now trying to write them up.

I am looking for assistance with this cover from the U.S. to India.

Front and back shown below. I will follow with close-ups of the postmarks so I do not exceed the maximum images per post.
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Here is the postmark on the front:
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It is a railway postmark.

At the top I read "___OC & SAN FRANCISCO", but "OC" could be "OG"

At the bottom I read "___RD" but a guess at best.

The date is, I think. SEP 16.

Does anybody recognize this cancel, or have a reference for US railway postmarks that can fill in the blanks?

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The only thing I can say, as someone who collects Italy, is that your cover was processed at Brindisi. This implies it was carried through the Suez Canal.

Good luck. I'd like to see the final version of the collection (or is it going to be an exhibit?)



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The first three back markings follow, though I am not sure I have them in chronological order.

1.
US-India Back Cancel 1.jpg
This one is pretty clear, from Brindisi, Italy and dated September 25, 1879.

A nice routing through the Italian postal system.

2.
US-India Back Cancel 2.jpg
This is a tough one. I read "_______ OFFICE" and a date of OCT 3.

3.
US-India Back Cancel 3.jpg
This one reads "BAREILLY" and dated OCT 18

Bareilly is a city in India about 50 miles SE of the destination city of Moradabad. Note the spelling, because one follows with a different spelling.

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The last three backstamps follow. Any assistance in clarifying these would be greatly appreciated.

4.
US-India Back Cancel 4.jpg
Obviously reads "REDIRECTED", but why is it here?

5.
US-India Back Cancel 5.jpg
This one reads "I. DEL'Y / BARIELLY" and dated OCT 18.

Note the different spelling. What does "I. DEL'Y" mean? I have guessed "International Delivery", "Internal Delivery" "India Delivery" in order of decreasing probability. Perhaps one of our India specialists will know?

6.
US-India Back Cancel 6.jpg
This is the final receiver from Moradabad dated OCT 19. Still the "I. DEL'Y" question.


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Number-O-Ne wrote:
27 Sep 2021 11:14


The only thing I can say, as someone who collects Italy, is that your cover was processed at Brindisi. This implies it was carried through the Suez Canal.

Good luck. I'd like to see the final version of the collection (or is it going to be an exhibit?)


Yes, the Suez connection I have seen before. The mystery to me here is why a cover which may have come from San Francisco (depending on what the railway postmark may indicate). From there, would not the Pacific route be more direct? Or was the route via Europe just better evolved at the time?

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Right now, this is a collection, but exhibiting is always a possibility. Tough to compete with early US stuff though when trying to acquire out of Canada. I have acquired some nice material such as die proofs and trial colour plate proofs, but I have a ways to go. Up to a few dozen covers, though, with a couple of nice destinations. Just waiting for one to arrive that was sent to Australia.

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The other cancel is SEA POST OFFICE, used on ships between Aden and Bombay,

The cover went across the Atlantic to GB, then across to France and then train to southern Italy, then ship to Alexandria via the Suez Canal to Aden then on to Bombay and then finally by train to it's destination in the North West Provinces,

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David Benson wrote:
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The other cancel is SEA POST OFFICE, used on ships between Aden and Bombay,

The cover went across the Atlantic to GB, then across to France and then train to southern Italy, then ship to Alexandria via the Suez Canal to Aden then on to Bombay and then finally by train to it's destination in the North West Provinces,

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Have read somewhere that I. Dely is 'Informed Delivery' or 'Intimated Delivery' where the receiver was informed to collect the letter.
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Presumably 1st. Delivery,

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OttawaMike wrote:
27 Sep 2021 11:29

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This is the final receiver from Moradabad dated OCT 19. Still the "I. DEL'Y" question.

From a superb Tasmania to India cover I just listed for sale (Stock 612EV)- 1st or First Delivery handstamp.


Sept21-Tas 6d imperf on letter to India.jpg



Rare early 1864 Tasmania cover Richmond to Secundrabad, with imperf 6d Chalon: A VERY early cover from the fledgling Colony, whose first stamps had only been issued 10 years earlier, and few were used anywhere overseas, except to UK of course. Have never seen one to INDIA. 1863 6d Grey Violet imperf Chalon, sound, with bright colour, and cut square, with good portion of adjoining stamp at right.

Tied by a lovely sharp numeral strike ‘76’ of Richmond, tied as well with a superb strike of the red Tombstone “PRE-PAID - 23 MY :64”. To ‘Captain (Later Major, and then Colonel) James Goldie, H.M. 17th Lancers, Secundrabad, Deccan, India. Goldie was recommended for a Victoria Cross by his CO in India, after a report by an independent Board of Officers. (Goldie’s father, Andrew was also a Colonel and was murdered in the Mutiny in India at Cawnpore, along with his mother and rest of family.)

Goldie’s Indian Mutiny Medal with 3 clasps was invoiced by Spink for Ł4,200=$A8,400 - https://www.spink.com/lot/20003000782 - ton more info on his career on there. Has a fine boxed black Tax receiver of Bombay 23 JUN 1864 – 1 As(1 Anna) and manuscript arrival note at left - “Received 26th June 1864’’ and on face a red boxed “1st D” denoting ‘First Delivery’.

Crisp circular red backstamp Bombay arrival June 24 - 1864 and arrival cds of Secundrabad in central India on reverse of June 26. SG 46 cat “From Ł425-$A850” on cover. EXCELLENT condition for 157 years old from this tiny colony. I have had this buried on my desk for 10 or 20 years - no idea where it came from, except it was exhibited by someone who also had not researched the recipient.

I can see another near exact cover for sale right now in the USA - identical strange size envelope, exact same handwriting, posted 3 months later to Goldie, offered ‘STAMPEX discounted’ for a mere $US3,780 = $A5,100 - www.tinyurl.com/India1864
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Thanks to Samcam, David and Glen!

This is the place to come when you have a question about something outside of your experience. :)

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Re: Help with 1879 5c Zachary Taylor Cover, USA to India

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I think the correct order of the backstamps is 1,2,5,3,4,6.

Does that make sense?

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