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I was just wandering through some older threads, and found a very extensive, and quite emotive discussion on the exact same subject.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10140

I am not big on merging threads (for, to me, very valid reasons previously privately disclosed on the Mod Forum), but will leave the link here if any Mod wants to relive the past yet again, and do a merge.

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ozstamps wrote:Interestingly these are the "official" rules:

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G2.2.2 - Valid postage stamps for domestic mail

The table shows the postage stamps that are valid for the prepayment of postage within Australia.


Cocos (Keeling) Islands Cocos (Keeling) Islands 09/07/1969 to 02/09/1979

Cocos (Keeling) Islands Cocos (Keeling) Islands Australia 17/02/1994 to current



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http://www.auspost.com.au/pdfs/General.pdf
What was happening on the Cocos Islands between 2 Sep 1979 and 17 Feb 1994?!?!? :?

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What was happening on the Cocos Islands between 2 Sep 1979 and 17 Feb 1994?!?!?



Cocos (Keeling) Islands innaugurated it's own Postal Service in 1979, under Australian Law, and like Christmas Islands, was given independance to arrange the printing of its own stamps, and the retention of all revenues.

This ceased in 1994 when all Postal Services of Cocos and Christmas were brought under the Australia Post umbrella under new Legislation.

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I'm still totally confused by this 're-use' of covers situation :?

This one came in the post last week, and not only does it have Cocos and Christmas Island stamps that shouldn't have been used in Australia (which I found out from reading this thread :) ), it seems to have been hand-stamped(?) at Dandenong, even as a 1988 pre-stamped envelope FDC:

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One wonders why Australia Post can't just put something across the front of the envelope to show it cannot be used for postage through the system - if indeed that is the case - when they make up FDC's?

There has been comment on you not being able to 're-use' a cancelled stamp (FDC?), but surely you can buy one on the first day of issue and it'd go through the post fine. yes?

If so, when does that 'right' expire? Next day? 1 year?, 10 years?

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Let me guess, some professional ebay seller, charged you a buck or two for postage for that totally illegal gem?
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Global Administrator wrote:Let me guess, some professional ebay seller, charged you a buck or two for postage for that totally illegal gem?
Yep :D

I'm fine with that. Something different to the standard peel-and-sticks, and ball is in Australia Post's court as to whether they're going to clamp down on these sorts of covers being used through the mail - and perhaps better training of staff to stop these going through the system might help :wink:

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Global Administrator wrote:Let me guess, some professional ebay seller, charged you a buck or two for postage for that totally illegal gem?
Yep :D

I'm fine with that. Something different to the standard peel-and-sticks
Well if the buyers getting charged a dollar or two ebay postage cheerfully delight in receiving illegal stuff like this, and see nothing wrong with themselves and Australia Post being knowingly defrauded, of course it will continue. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

When someone passes a forged $10 bill to you in change in a pub, I suppose you'll rejoice in receiving that too? Just as illegal.

No-one in this business should be using worthless 70c peel and stick stamps when mailing good to stamp collectors, who are PAYING for the postage.

EVERY stamp seller should have $100 or so of mint under face LEGAL stamps sitting on their desk. It will cost them 30% UNDER FACE to buy lots such as this from any large dealer or Auction -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=53281

Saving THEM 30%, AND being 100% legal, AND giving recipient used stamps they can add to their collection.
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birdmanOz wrote:I'm still totally confused by this 're-use' of covers situation :?

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John, the reality is based on several things.

1. If figures I have seen are correct, up to 95% of mail is commercial mail (and often at somewhat discounted prices). So, there is not much left to monitor.

2. Let's assume that 10% of private mail uses illegals, which is probably overstated. 10% of 5% is 0.5%. Will Australia Post chase this up? Let's not be silly.

3. The actual real cost of fining this minute amount of mail (maybe 0.5%, maybe less), be it done by a Postage Due message, "a come and collect and pay a fine" or a send it back to Grandma who re-used an uncancelled stamp would outweigh the benefit by a huge order of magnitude.

How do you even establish an intent to defraud, and then take it to Court? It would cost $1,000's for no benefit (other than getting Granny's name in the paper and talk of evil corporations.

And taking specifically Cocos and Christmas, only a collector would know what is legal and what is not. I have even had Nauru and Norfolk stamps turn up in my mail box! Most Post Shops these days are franchises, and would not have a clue what is legitimate and what is not. I will add that this also applies to FDC's and PSE's. They are illegal, but nobody except us actually know about it.

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I have a box of old 22c mint pses to which I add a pair 24c stamps to post off my bills. These I toss in a post box, I don't take them into the post office for a pretty cancel. Those who add Christmas Is, Norfolk Is, Cocos Is, New Zealand, Nauru & whatever else, also throw them is a post box knowing the machine will not reject them as the helecon is there & as you said, postal workers wouldn't know the difference.

Anyway if you don't have any old fdcs to use, you can always try printing your own, the post office will deliver it:
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BigSaint wrote:Norm

I have a box of old 22c mint pses to which I add a pair 24c stamps to post off my bills.

Brad :)
Brad, note the highlighted word. If they are mint, they are valid, with additional postage to make it up to the current rate. No one here has suggested otherwise.

I have a number of probably 20 year old International PSE's without a rate on them. They just say that they are valid for International Postage up to 50g., and do not have cancellations, and there are no extra payments involved. I have used several here.

Had they had FDI cancellations they would not be valid, which is what this thread is all about.

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That was what I was trying to say (& probably saying it badly). You can't legally use these things, but if you throw whatever you have in the red box on the corner it will probably go through the system unimpeded.

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I like to think I use intelligent franking, that recipients will appreciate. THEY pay the mail cost after all. :!: :!:

And no, folks do NOT simply need to use standard "peel-and-sticks" if they have a modicum of brains and vision.

These 2 will got out to the next overseas order, and the next local order.

No cancelled stamps here, but an otherwise blank 1977 Cricket FDC (these stamps and scarce $1.50 Spiny Devil light cancelled are worth $5) and a legal MINT Chichester PSE updated to 70¢, with a 5c Arts, and 33¢ and 1¢ Cockatoo - the 1¢ and 5¢ worth a ton used - about $5.
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To illustrate my point above. I received this cover in the mail today with only 53c postage on it. It is underpaid by 17c but was not taxed. With the helecon on the stamps affixed it passes through the machine without a problem even though it is underpaid.

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Another one to add to the thread, this one even received the machine cancel as well:
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The added stamp just overlaps the postmark:
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Owe you an apology, Norm. :oops:

Missed your link to the thread that you posted here on 6th Oct 2011, and in that thread brian31stamps had written to Noel Leahy, Group Manager Philatelic with regards to usage of cancelled FDC's.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10140&start=50

The answer from Noel on that thread was that you can only use cancelled FDC's on the day of issue when bought from the relevant PO; so therefore you can't take them home to put through the post days/weeks/years later.

I'm all clear on that now. :)

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I got this in the mail this week from an ebay seller (who of course charged me $2 for postage!).

Amazingly there are no cancellations at all on this cover (back is untouched too) other than the original 1985 FDC cancels.

For the record, the seller lives in a Sydney suburb so presume it was posted from a Post office somewhere close to where they live.

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admin wrote:VERY grey area.

The LAW (Postal Services Act) says it is an offence to re-use stamps that have already been thru the mail system.

Some have argued if they bought a 50c PSE or FDC and it has never been thru the mail they are entitled to use it. Whether or not it has a FDI cancel.

In theory that use is permitted. 8)
Old quote from Our Dear Leader, but this remains a "grey" area indeed.

An FDI (First Day of Issue) postmark is not a device employed in the cancellation of stamps used for postal purposes.

An FDI (and similar philatelic devices) are commemorative markings; they are souvenirs of an event.

A stamp or other philatelic item is cancelled only once it has served postal use. (and even then, as we all know only too well, "cancelled" more often than not does not apply)

Post Offices do not like this argument, for obvious reasons. PO's also do not like the philatelic industry using up obsolete mint stamps! The only reason stamps have not been demonitized is the effect that would have on new issue sales.

I'm no Lawyer, but I suspect a legal challenge to the notion that philatelic items with commemorative markings have served postal use, i.e. they have been "used", would place PO's in a challenging role?

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Do I have this right :?:
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The cover above can be used through the mail today, as long as it is uprated, even though it is first day because the postmark is not a fdi canceller or commemorative cancel while the one below cannot.
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BigSaint wrote:Rod

Do I have this right :?:
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The cover above can be used through the mail today, as long as it is uprated, even though it is first day because the postmark is not a fdi canceller or commemorative cancel while the one below cannot.
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I believe, Brad, that some common sense needs to prevail in the matter of has an item served postal use or has it not?

Neither of these items have served postal use.

They are souvenirs of an event.

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36 Philatelic postmarking
36.1 Subject to clauses 36.2 and 36.7, where stamps are sold by Australia Post from
philatelic sections, they shall be sold at face value.

36.2 Where stamps sold by Australia Post from philatelic sections are:
36.2.1 specially packed; or
36.2.2 affixed to envelopes or other wrappings, a charge may be made by Australia Post for the pack or wrapping in addition to the face value of the stamp.

36.3 Where a person who purchases a stamp from a philatelic section for a value
equivalent to or greater than the postage payable on a standard article, requests at
the time of purchase that the stamp be lightly postmarked, that postmarking shall, if
made, be made without charge.

36.4 A stamp postmarked pursuant to clause 36.3 may be unaffixed, affixed to an envelope or wrapping pursuant to clause 36.2.2 or affixed to an envelope or wrapping provided by the purchaser.

36.5 Where a stamp has been postmarked pursuant to clause 36.3 and delivered by
Australia Post to a purchaser, or at the purchaser's direction, that stamp is not valid
for the payment of postage.

36.6 A person who requests Australia Post to affix a stamp that has been purchased from a philatelic section to an article provided by him shall pay to Australia Post the charge determined by Australia Post for that purpose.

36.7 Australia Post may from time to time decide that particular stamps issued by
Australia Post may be:-
36.7.1 overprinted by indelibly marking the surface of each stamp with the word
"specimen" which may be displayed in one or more than one form of type face;
36.7.2 specially packed or affixed to envelopes or other wrappings;
36.7.3 made available for sale, either individually or in sets, at philatelic sections; and
36.7.4 sold at such composite charge as Australia Post may determine for the
stamps and the packs or envelopes with them.

36.8 Where a stamp has been obliterated pursuant to clause 36.7.1, that stamp or any
stamp in a set made up for sale in a pack or affixed to an envelope, shall not be valid
for the payment of postage.
postmark includes any mark or design applied to the outer surface or address label of a postal article by Australia Post, or with Australia Post's authority, regardless of whether the purpose of the mark, design or label is to:
(i) cancel a postage stamp or to record any details relating to the carriage of an
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(ii) provide information;
(iii) designate an article as being official mail; or
(iv) achieve any other purpose authorised by Australia Post.
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If you read 36.3 through to the end of 36.5, it looks to me like it says FDCs are not valid for postage after they have been purchased and possession has passed to the purchaser.

I don't see anything saying FDI postmarks are excluded from the postmark definition.

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Are Australian FDCs able to be used for postage?

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Hello helpful people

Regarding FDCs used for postage.

I read a forum post about this recently but it was very old. It had a quote from an AP rep that stated they could be used for mail.

It was speculated that they could be stuck on packages but not confirmed.

Are they still good for mailing, and is there any threads confirming they are good for sticking on parcels?

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aaa wrote:Hello helpful people

Regarding FDCs used for postage.

I read a forum post about this recently but it was very old. It had a quote from an AP rep that stated they could be used for mail.

It was speculated that they could be stuck on packages but not confirmed.

Are they still good for mailing, and is there any threads confirming they are good for sticking on parcels?

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thank you

What's the long answer?

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aaa wrote:thankyou

Whats the long answer?
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Thankyou

I feel like a naughty child, if I behave can I use them for postage?

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My dad used to have lots. He used to buy one of each issue for my brother and I. The mice made them into a really good nest.

Are they still good for making mice nests?

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aaa wrote:My dad used to have lots. He used to buy one of each issue for my brother and I. The mice made them into a really good nest.

Are they still good for making mice nests?

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aaa wrote:Hello helpful people

Regarding FDCs used for postage.

I read a forum post about this recently but it was very old. It had a quote from an AP rep that stated they could be used for mail.

It was speculated that they could be stuck on packages but not confirmed.

Are they still good for mailing, and is there any threads confirming they are good for sticking on parcels?

Thank you
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First Day Envelopes with no stamps on can be used for anything you like.

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As with many questions posed on the board, they have been asked before.

The issue was discussed at length here: http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=191

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Thankyou for your excellent help.

My goat seems to prefer franking imprints

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Global Administrator wrote:Let me guess, some professional ebay seller, charged you a buck or two for postage for that totally illegal gem?
Yep :D

I'm fine with that. Something different to the standard peel-and-sticks
Well if the buyers getting charged a dollar or two ebay postage cheerfully delight in receiving illegal stuff like this, and see nothing wrong with themselves and Australia Post being knowingly defrauded, of course it will continue. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

When someone passes a forged $10 bill to you in change in a pub, I suppose you'll rejoice in receiving that too? Just as illegal.

No-one in this business should be using worthless 70c peel and stick stamps when mailing goods to stamp collectors, who are PAYING for the postage.

EVERY stamp seller (and collector) should have $100 or so of mint under face LEGAL stamps sitting somewhere on their desk. It will cost them ~30% UNDER FACE to buy lots. I offer them all the time, as to other dealers.

Saving THEM 30%, AND being 100% legal, AND giving the recipient used stamps they can gladly add to their collection.
The sad thing is, near all ebay buyers cheerfully accept being charged a few bucks shipping and meekly and weakly allow the crooks selling there to use glued on re-used stamps, or even visibly cancelled stamps, illegal stamps, cancelled FDC or PSE, and NEVER ever leave them negative ebay feedback for it. TOTALLY INSANE.

Not only is the Post Office being ripped off by those crooks, but YOU ARE TOO!

I have been a leading campaigner for 40 years for EVERYONE in this hobby to use superb franking on ALL sendings. I certainly do, and always have, no mater how busy I have become, and when the CLIENT pays the shipping, they certainly DESERVE superb and scarce and valuable when used stamps to be used on their mail - here is living proof it works! -

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Here's one I received today!

An Ebay purchase with a $3 "postage and handling" charge. Sender used 73 cents worth of "postage" that would have cost him probably 35 cents, tops.

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Here's one I received today!

An Ebay purchase with a $3 "postage and handling" charge. Sender used 73 cents worth of "postage" that would have cost him probably 35 cents, tops.
No excuse. Peter Strich used to run the Myer Philatelic Store in Melbourne and does know better.

A stream of negs from ebay buyers will soon seen them wise up.
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Of more recent times, pre "retirement", didn't he also have a retail shop in Collins Street, Melbourne, somewhere in the region of where Max Stern is opening up following their relocation?

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GYDAM wrote:Of more recent times, pre "retirement", didn't he also have a retail shop in Collins Street, Melbourne, somewhere in the region of where Max Stern is opening up following their relocation?

Gordon
Yes in an arcade that ran between Collins Street & Flinders Lane, but closer to Swanston Street. Max will now be closer to Elizabeth Street.

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GYDAM wrote:Image

Here's one I received today!

An Ebay purchase with a $3 "postage and handling" charge. Sender used 73 cents worth of "postage" that would have cost him probably 35 cents, tops.

Cheers, Gordon
Gordon, may I ask a question?

What did you bid for the lot/s contained within the package, in relation to what you paid? (including of course the subject $3 "postage and handling")

I ask this question for surely it's "the big picture", wholly and solely, which matters when buying?

Personally, as an eBay Buyer I often buy lots for 10% or less of what I have bid. (as a Seller, I know the same can and does happen with my lots)

To me, under such circumstances when buying, the package which conveyed my "wins" is of little, more often absolutely of no consequence.

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BigSaint wrote:Max will now be closer to Elizabeth Street.
The Pearly Gates just moved to Elizabeth Street? Maybe they can schedule train services better? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Rod Perry wrote:To me, under such circumstances when buying, the package which conveyed my "wins" is of little, more often absolutely of no consequence.
Now come on, you're just using common sense here. That's not allowed.

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Rod Perry wrote:To me, under such circumstances when buying, the package which conveyed my "wins" is of little, more often absolutely of no consequence.
Now come on, you're just using common sense here. That's not allowed.
As a seller on ebay, the "unwritten rule" I use is any old legal stamp for sending if it is free postage but if I charge postage nice commemorative stamps. I NEVER use uprated mint pse's (Australian or Norfolk Island) as collectors despise them!
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:I NEVER use uprated mint pse's (Australian or Norfolk Island) as collectors despise them!
Agreed. And good for you. Charging clients $3 for mailing, and then using illegal and worthless franking to $1 pisses off anyone sane.

If all ebay buyer left negative feedback to warn others, these illegal practices would cease overnight. :idea:
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mozzerb wrote:
Rod Perry wrote:To me, under such circumstances when buying, the package which conveyed my "wins" is of little, more often absolutely of no consequence.
Now come on, you're just using common sense here. That's not allowed.

I'm surprised that you're happy to miss out on a stamped cover that's within use, correct rate, hardly seen modern material. :shock:
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Hi Rod - re your post yesterday (I can't get the "quote" button to work) - the total price that I paid, in the "big picture", was OK .... but it's the principle.

Cheers, Gordon

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Allanswood wrote:
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Rod Perry wrote:To me, under such circumstances when buying, the package which conveyed my "wins" is of little, more often absolutely of no consequence.
Now come on, you're just using common sense here. That's not allowed.

I'm surprised that you're happy to miss out on a stamped cover that's within use, correct rate, hardly seen modern material. :shock:
In a perfect world, I agree.

In the real world, however, given the choice of a complete bargain, conveyed in a cr*p franked package, I'll take the latter . . . every time.

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GYDAM wrote:Hi Rod - re your post yesterday (I can't get the "quote" button to work) - the total price that I paid, in the "big picture", was OK .... but it's the principle.

Cheers, Gordon
Thank you for answering, Gordon.

If you're collecting principle's, that's a fair comment.

If, however, you're collecting philatelic items, where the seller likely has an abundance of cr*p postage material, and has factored using that up as an incentive to sell on eBay, you may have to grin and bear it, or not enjoy purchases . . . period.

To mitigate often lousy price results, some sellers look to the modest "profit" using up postage material (that they are likely to otherwise be buried with) delivers in offsetting the onerous costs of delivering those bargains to buyers.

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Allanswood wrote:
mozzerb wrote:
Rod Perry wrote:To me, under such circumstances when buying, the package which conveyed my "wins" is of little, more often absolutely of no consequence.
Now come on, you're just using common sense here. That's not allowed.

I'm surprised that you're happy to miss out on a stamped cover that's within use, correct rate, hardly seen modern material. :shock:
Sure -- if it's from a country I have an interest in. If not I wouldn't know or particularly care whether the stamp was hardly seen or common as muck. (I'm not going to waste time trying to look up random foreign stamps on the off chance that somebody somewhere might be willing to pay a dollar or two for them.)

And even if it's a GB cover -- that's assuming it makes it through to me in collectable condition. Most don't.

Basically, buy on the basis of "realisation + postage <= what you're willing to pay" and you're well set. If the envelope it arrives in is collectable, that's a bonus, not an expectation. When you're more concerned with what's on the outside of the envelope than the contents, you may need to rethink your priorities.

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mozzerb wrote:
Allanswood wrote:
mozzerb wrote:
Rod Perry wrote:To me, under such circumstances when buying, the package which conveyed my "wins" is of little, more often absolutely of no consequence.
Now come on, you're just using common sense here. That's not allowed.

I'm surprised that you're happy to miss out on a stamped cover that's within use, correct rate, hardly seen modern material. :shock:
Sure -- if it's from a country I have an interest in. If not I wouldn't know or particularly care whether the stamp was hardly seen or common as muck. (I'm not going to waste time trying to look up random foreign stamps on the off chance that somebody somewhere might be willing to pay a dollar or two for them.)

And even if it's a GB cover -- that's assuming it makes it through to me in collectable condition. Most don't.

Basically, buy on the basis of "realisation + postage <= what you're willing to pay" and you're well set. If the envelope it arrives in is collectable, that's a bonus, not an expectation. When you're more concerned with what's on the outside of the envelope than the contents, you may need to rethink your priorities.
My emphasis, mozzerb . . . succinctly put.

In the philatelic auction industry, internationally, there is an accepted rule of thumb: the more obsessive the negativity, the less positive the philatelic achievement.

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An eBay seller seems to believe FDCs still have postage value. One of their listings has the title
ESTATE: Australia FDC accumulation in box AMAZING save $$$ cheap postage
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This one got me thinking.

Are there any rules/guidelines on cancelling postal stationery in terms of the location of the postmark?

The overwhelming majority of such items do have the cancel over the "stamp" bit of the design.

But not all:

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So is this breaking a rule, or does a cancel anywhere count as OK as the "stamp" bit is part of a continuous design, rather than something stuck on separately?
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Chris,

Good question, there are various positions on this thread:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=89739
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Missed it by that much.
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Hi All, it's been ages since I've posted anything in here.

This question has probably been asked before but would someone tell me if it's legal to use AU first day covers as postage within AU and international countries.

I am wanting to get a clear answer as I have a local buyer who wants my now unwanted collection, for postage, but obviously, we need to maker sure it's proper and legal...it seems to be a grey area with many opinions.

Thanks in advance,

Sandy :)

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