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Has anyone come across any New South Wales 1888-89 series stamps with perforated official initials, "OS (top line) NSW (bottom line)"?

I have one with a circle date postmark, the 4 pence brown, and the above referenced perforated initials.

If so, what can you tell me about them?

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If you would kindly show your stamp - as recommended on this board - you will obtain far more information.

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Here it is:

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ALondell wrote:
Has anyone come across any New South Wales 1888-89 series stamps with perforated official initials, "OS (top line) NSW (bottom line)"?

I have one with a circle date postmark, the 4 pence brown, and the above referenced perforated initials. If so, what can you tell me about them?
What is your ACTUAL question on it?

"OS NSW" stamps were issued in the BILLIONS for the NSW State Government use over 50 years or so.

All outlined on page 1 of this thread -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=38919

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My question has been answered by looking at the previous posts on this topic. Thank you.

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hutch wrote:I do have quite a few with company perfins like D J LTD...I'm assuming that's David Jones Ltd? Not sure if I should include them at this time, place them at the end of the government issues or just leave them were they are? Any comments on that one?hutch
Well here I go, post number 2. I don't believe this has been answered but yes hutch you are correct it is David Jones. I have the same on a 1/ lyre bird along with S H & Co on a 1d red kangaroo, this one is S. Hoffnung & Co. Ltd. Brisbane & Sydney. I will go through my spreadsheet as I believe I took a copy of the webpage showing twenty or thirty listings for various companies and post it here.

Here they are:

A - Atlas Assurance Co Australia. Sydney
A.H /&S - Anthony Horden & Sons, Sydney
AC / &Co - Arthur Cocks & Co. Ltd, Sydney
ACo - Alliance Insurance Co. Ltd, Sydney
AC/S - Adelaide Co-operative Society, Adelaide
A+R - Angus & Robertson Ltd, Sydney
AS / &S - A. Simpson & Sons, Adelaide
BE/Co - Bagots Executor & Trustee Co. Ltd. Adelaide
B/Ltd. - Boans Ltd, Perth
BP - Burns, Philp & Co. Ltd, Townsville
BW / &Co - Burroughs Wellcome & Co. , Sydney
CMF - Colonial Mutual Fire Insurance Co., Melbourne
DJ / Ltd - David Jones Ltd, Sydney
ED - Edward Dunlop & Co, Brisbane
ED&CoLTD - Edward Dunlop & Co, Sydney
EF / Ld - Edward Fay Ltd, Sydney
E.S - Elder Smith & Co., Adelaide
E.T. - Eliza Tinsley, Melbourne
ET - Elders Trustee & Executor Co. Ltd, Adelaide
F - Farmers Ltd, Sydney
FG - Farmers and Graziers Co-op Agency, Sydney
FN/Co - Farleigh, Nettheim Pty Ltd, Sydney
GB - Gibbs, Bright & Co, Adelaide
GDM - Goode, Durant & Murray, Perth
G.O./&Co. - Glover, Onians & Co, Melbourne
GR/W - G&R Wills Co, Adelaide
GW/A - Geo. Wills & Co Ltd, Adelaide
HB / &Co - Henry Berry & Co, Adelaide
H / LTD - Harringtons Ltd, Sydney
HS / . - Harris Scarfe & Co, Adelaide
HSLd - Howard Smith & Co, Sydney
IH - International Harvester, Brisbane
IH(C) - International Harvester Co., Melbourne
I.O.A. - Insurance Office of Australia, Melbourne
I.O.A - Insurance Office of Australia, Sydney
JD /&Co - John Dickinson & Co, Sydney
J.K/S - John Kitchen & Sons, Bendigo
K - Kodak Ltd. Melbourne
K - Kodak Ltd. (Abbotsford, Melbourne, Perth)
L.L - London & Lancashire Insurance Co. Melbourne
LLG - London & Lancashire Insurance Co. Sydney
McK/&Co - JF McKenzie & Co., Melbourne
NA / SC - Nestles & Anglo Swiss Milk Co. Melbourne
NA / SC - Nestles & Anglo Swiss Milk Co, Perth
NS / GCo - North Shore Gas Co, Sydney
NZL - New Zealand Loan & Mercantile Co. Sydney
PA/C - Prudential Assurance Co. Sydney
P.D/Co. - Parke, Davis & Co. Ltd, Rosebery
PL / &B - Patterson, Laing & Bruce, Sydney
RH - Raine & Horne, Sydney
RI/Co/Ld - Royal Insurance Co. Ltd. (Adelaide, Brisbane)
S&A - Swallow & Ariell, Melbourne
SG - Sargood, Gardiner Ltd. Melbourne
SH / & / CoLtd - S. Hoffnung & Co. Ltd. Brisbane & Sydney
TB - Melbourne & Metropolitan Tramway Board
T.B.S - Thomas Brown & Sons, Brisbane
TYS / Ld - Tooheys Ltd. Sydney
VOCo - Vacuum Oil Co. Melbourne
VO/Co - Vacuum Oil Co. Port Adelaide
VO/Co - Vacuum Oil Co. Sydney
VP / C - Victorian Producers Cooperative, Melbourne
WILLS - WD & HO Wills (Australia) Ltd

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Wow! Thanks a lot castores.

I've often wondered what some of the company perfins stood for. That list is just the ticket!

I'll have to go and check what I have now.

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hutch, (are these pics too large? my first images posted)
whoops! - both backs flipped vertically.
"D J Ltd"
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"S H & Co"
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Hi castores. The images look fine. Try them on a black background though...the "dots" might show up a bit clearer!

Here's one of mine on the blue background...Wow! Looks like it needs some cleaning up...can't see all that gunk with the naked eye...oh, and by the way, I still don't know who this is for!

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Here's the same one with a black background. A lot easier on the eye isn't it...maybe not so pretty but we aren't here for pretty...we're here to learn and anything that makes it easier is much better for all of us!

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I think it may be B & N...or maybe N & B.... depends on which way you turn the stamp around!

When you post up pics, before you hit "post" try the preview button first...that shows you what your post will look like before it goes on to the board. Many a time I've had to re-do pictures because they were upside down or sideways...frustrating...but better to get it right!

Thanks again for that list before! I've placed a few of my perfins already.

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Yes, bit of a red face there, I've read all the do's/don'ts/suggestions etc and have hit preview on every occasion so I meant to edit that out.....

As soon as I saw your image I thought I've seen that or part of it somewhere before and went racing to look at Australian States but then I realised it was just the "&" which was similar to my "SH&Co".

So if that's a "B" then the "N" faces the wrong way (or) vice versa.

Then the 'bulbous' top of the B is so out of place with the dead straight lines of & / N. At one point I thought it looked like an S with too many holes but it would still be facing the wrong direction.

Do you know what country it's from? the little bit I can see looks like something eastern? at least to my limited history of world stamps. But might make more sense with the letters not being so much 'english' and then the direction of the "&" would also make more sense?
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hutch wrote:

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I think it may be B & N...or maybe N & B.... depends on which way you turn the stamp around!


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Hutch, from the 'Handbook of Australian Private Perfins' (John Mathews), your perfin looks to be B&N.15 (very common) with some blind pins - one of which can be just made out at the base of the ampersand nearest the N.

It was produced by "Buckley & Nunn, 300-310 Bourke St, Melbourne, VIC, Drapers & Clothiers" and used from 1907-1946.
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Back to the topic of this thread, if you keep an eye out you might find some of your OS NSW perfin stamps have a stern message regarding usage, printed in reverse on the back:

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muttly2011 wrote:Back to the topic of this thread, if you keep an eye out you might find some of your OS NSW perfin stamps have a stern message regarding usage, printed in reverse on the back:

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Ye gods! Does the centre one mention being hanged? :shock:
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jrg wrote:If you do come across any of these OS punctures, then it is worth tucking them away. The 1d and 2d KGV are quite often found, but others can sell for sometimes silly prices.

Those to look for are:

small multi Roo - 9d, 1/-, 2/-
small multi KGV - 4d olive
CofA KGV - 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d, 5d
1932 zoological - 6d kooka, 1/- lyre bird

Once the Commonwealth Govt found out that NSW was producing OS stamps (even though the Commonwealth had stopped their production in 1930), they ordered NSW to cease and desist. So NSW commenced using the G/NSW puncture instead.
Recently picked this up for less than A$4 from US.

4d CofA watermark with OS puncture both 12 holes

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In a recent Phoenix auction, a 4d small multiple watermark with the same OS puncture was sold for $550 (!) before adding commission etc

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josto wrote:
Here is one OS puncture without NSW I once found in a bulk lot. It is a KGV 4d olive small multiple watermark, not really common I think, but I have no idea how to price it.

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I thought I'd seen that stamp before and I had! :lol: :lol:

Have you bought a new scanner in the interim?

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Hi Satsuma,

I knew, I had posted it somewhere here on the board before, but I couldn`t find the thread, so I made a new scan to show it. :P

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Hi!

This is not an OS NSW, but it is a G NSW perfin on an Australian Antarctic territory. Was it common, that those issues were also perforated G NSW? And why did they perforate it 2 times? Any information would be great!

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I've seen that one with the G NSW before. Not overly rare.

The perforator was spaced to do smaller stamps, so when they put bigger stamps through it, they got hit twice.

You see it a lot on the 1974 paintings series.
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I came across this stamp and despite not being in very good condition, I was curious as I have not seen this puncture previously with the missing hole in the ‘s’ of both the OS and NSW. Is this known to have happened quite a lot during the puncturing of the overprint?

Are their any catalogues that list these stamps? I have read the note in my SG catalogue saying they are outside the scope of the catalogue (Part 1). Why is this as surely they are still postally used and had a distinct function so I think they deserve full listing, particularly as less main stream areas like telegraph stamps are starting to be listed.
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The Pom wrote:
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I've seen that one with the G NSW before. Not overly rare.

The perforator was spaced to do smaller stamps, so when they put bigger stamps through it, they got hit twice.

You see it a lot on the 1974 paintings series.
How about this? Such a mess.
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Just a bump to this thread in request of information to my previous post about the OS NSW overprint on the 6d Roo, does anyone else have any similar examples with the ‘faulty s’ puncture?

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Just a bump to this thread in request of information to my previous post about the OS NSW overprint on the 6d Roo, does anyone else have any similar examples with the ‘faulty s’ puncture?
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GB 789 wrote:
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I came across this stamp and despite not being in very good condition, I was curious as I have not seen this puncture previously with the missing hole in the ‘s’ of both the OS and NSW. Is this known to have happened quite a lot during the puncturing of the overprint?

Are their any catalogues that list these stamps? I have read the note in my SG catalogue saying they are outside the scope of the catalogue (Part 1). Why is this as surely they are still postally used and had a distinct function so I think they deserve full listing, particularly as less main stream areas like telegraph stamps are starting to be listed.

GB 789,

I don't know of a catalogue that lists prices for stamps with OS NSW punctures. The 2004 4th Edition Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue (ACSC) 'Kangaroos and the Early Federal Period' does not include prices for state punctures because they "do not rank as Commonwealth issues" - i.e. outside the scope of their catalogue.

They certainly were postally used and, in my opinion, an essential part of any collection of Australian stamps and the stamps of the Colonies before Federation.

Regarding the missing pins, 'Australian Official Perfins' (compiled by David Andersen, Perfin Club of New Zealand and Australia, 2007) provides information on all of the known official perfins and the issues on which they are found.

They indicate that the puncturing head suffered damage and that missing pins were common.
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OS NSW, G NSW and T, V, WA, SA etc were all local government punctures, treated the same in catalogues as any other business perfins - mentioned but ignored.

There will be no way of knowing just what stamps were actually originally punctured with OS NSW and another can of worms would open up if someone produced pages showing all stamps of the day with these punctures - meaning someone would come along and start making them today to fill gaps that were never there.

The perfins are common enough, the missing pins less so.

Stamps were punctured both before and long after federation right up into the late 1980's-90's in some states.

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muttly2011 wrote:
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They indicate that the puncturing head suffered damage and that missing pins were common.

Agree. Most common.

Missing and bent pins were plentiful, and attract no premium whatever.

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Apologies to the moderator for the blurry scan. I’ve had a look for this stamp to rephotograph but I seem to have misplaced it amongst the chaos of my office, it’s on a Hagner somewhere in here!!! I will endeavour to find it though.

On another note (and apologies for this being off the main thread) but I’ve added quite a few photos on various posts recently from my phone.

Despite being the right way up on my phone photos, when they upload they go sideways, does anyone know how to rectify this so all photos load the right way up?

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Hi!

In a small collection I just found this KGV 2d red CofA wmk strip of 3 with the adapted 12 hole OS perfin with Port Macquarie postmark dated 26 MY 1933! Unfortunately in bad condition, but I`d guess there are not too many used strips of three out there genuinly used in the correct time frame.

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