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Can anyone help me decipher / translate the attached document?

This is the best scan I have as I pulled it from the net (StampAuctionNetwork) -

It looks to contain some info about these 1914 Albanian Locals that I have a few of, but can't decipher it on my own.

It seems to be in multiple languages?? It seems like it may be a scan, of a photo copy, of an album page, but I can't quite tell.

Thanks for any assistance at all.

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Post by aethelwulf »

The bottom part is in Italian...something about their consulate, in, according the signature, Valona. I think the middle one is French, the first word is "Je"? I would assume that the first language is Turkish (they switched to the Latin alphabet in the 1920s).
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A bit of guidance, putting "Valona, Albania" into google brought up,
Vlorë is one of the largest towns and the second largest port city of Albania, after Durrës, with a population of 79,948. It is the city where the Albanian Declaration of Independence was proclaimed on November 28, 1912. The city was for a short time the capital of Albania.
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Post by EricBismarck »

Thanks aethelwulf.


Some additional info. I have a reference somewhere that states these stamps were the creation of someone in Greece (Fantasy stamps)

Here are a set of 6 I have with cancels. The cancels show "Valona" and possibly the same in Turkish at the top.

I also have (what I think) is a complete set of them without cancels, and a set of 6 with "T" overprints in both red(pinkish) and purple.

I have seen this cancel before on Philatelic covers of legit stamps.

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I have been desperately seeking more information on these stamps without much luck, until I came across the document I posted in my first post. - Hopefully that reveals some info. I notice it appears that the bottom 2 sections both seem to be signed by someone.
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French

I declare that these stamps are the xxxxx stamps of Albania and cannot? ..... without the ..... be proven

Director of Post


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Post by honza »

Ahoj Eric!

The last part is indeed Italian and says:-

Viewed at the Italian Consulate for the certification of the signature of Signor X X X, director of the Albanian Post Office in Valona.

and signed Valona 25(?) October 1914 by the Italian consul.


If you can enlarge the French portion I can probably help with that as well.

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Post by EricBismarck »

Thanks Guys - Stampboards is awesome :-)

I wonder what this is? - It almost seems like some sort of certification of the validity of these stamps?

Historically (according to my limited understanding) what seemed to be going on around that time is the Greeks had occupied Northern Epirus, and the Turks had intentions on re-annexing Albania.

The "Central Albanian Republic" had been declared in Durres, and the Italians had set up shop in Valona in order to support Albania.

So - it was a big mess.

I tried to zoom the 2 sections in question, see below:

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Hi

I could read most of the French text.

«Je déclare que ces timbres sont les véritables timbres d'Albanie et (que?) ne seront pas réimprimés tous les autres sont épuisés.

Le directeur des postes.
Rafat H. Kanima »

«I certify that these stamps are the true stamps of Albania and that (they?) will not be reprinted all others (stamps) are no longer available.
The director of posts
Rafat H. Kanima»

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The following is from The Stamps and Posts of Albania and Epirus
1878 to 1945
by John S. Phipps. This should clear up a few things.
Especially note the paragraph next to the illustration.

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Wow - That really does clear things up :-)

Thank you for posting this. It really is a neat story overall even though they are bogus.

Does your book contain anything on the Mirdite Stamps or the Komitetit te Qindreses stamps?? If you could share that I would be grateful. I have seen this book for sale a few times, but, I think they wanted like $200 - $300 for it.

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There's about one page on the Mirdite Republic. Nothing on the
Komitetit issues though, as they come after 1945. For the period
indicated, the book covers everything, but is heavy on postal
history. There is also an extensive listing of references.

Here's an abbreviated table of contents (the full TOC is 7 pages).

PART 1 - THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND (59 pages)
1.1 The Ottoman era from 1878 to 1913
1.2 The creation of the state of Albania
1.3 The reign of Prince Wilhelm
1.4 Albania during World War One
1.5 The recovery of Albanian independence after World War One
1.6 The rise and regimes of Ahmed Zogu
1.7 Albania between Zog and Hoxha
PART 2 - THE STAMPS AND THE POSTS (214 pages)
2.1 Foreword to part 2
2.2 The Ottoman post
2.3 The Austrian post to 1915
2.4 The Greek consular post 1852-1881
2.5 The Italian post before the 1914 occupation
2.6 The posts of the first Greek occupation 1912-1914
2.7 The posts of the first Serbian and Montenegrin occupations 1912-1913
2.8 The Modiano stamps of 1912
2.9 The posts of the Vlorë government
2.10 The posts of Essad Pasha's first regime 1913-194
2.11 The posts of the principality 1913
2.12 The posts of North Epirus Feb. to Nov. 1914
2.13 The Albanian post at Vlorë in Autumn 1914
2.14 The posts of Essad Pasha's second regime 1914-1915
2.15 Posts at Berat 1914-1915
2.16 The posts of the second Greek occupation 1914-1916
2.17 The post at Shkodër 1914-1915
2.18 The post of the second Montenegrin and Serbian occupations 1915-1916
2.19 The Italian posts during and after the period of occupation 1914-1922
2.20 The posts during the French occupation of Korçë etc. 1916-1920
2.21 Foreign posts at Corfu 1915-1919
2.22 Bogus stamp issues of Albania 1913-1916
2.23 The posts of Austro-Hungarian and Bulgarian occupations 1916-1918
2.24 The post at Shkodër 1918-1920
Appendix to 2.25 Plating of overprints on Austro-Hungarian fiscal stamps
2.25 The posts of the Durrës government 1919-1920
2.26 The posts of the regency regime 1920-1924
2.27 Stamps associated with secessionary ventures 1920-1924
2.28 Stamps issued for Sazan and the Italian occupation of Corfu in 1923
2.29 The posts of the republican regime 1924-1928
2.30 The post during the reign of King Zog 1928-1939
2.31 The posts of the second Italian occupation 1939-1943
2.32 The posts of the third Greek occupation 1940-1941
2.33 A note on the Italian occupation of Corfu 1941-1943
2.34 The posts of the regency regime under German control 1943-1944
2.35 The post at the end of World War Two
2.36 The postal rates, post-offices and postmarks of Albania
GAZETTEER AND INDEX OF PLACE NAMES (7 pages)
MAPS (5 pages)
INDEX OF NAMES OF PERSONS (1 page)
LIST OF SOURCES CONSULTED (10 pages)

In past years I have had other inquiries about selling this book, all
from persons outside the US. I told them that I wasn't ready to sell
yet, but I would be in a few years. Now is that time. Since you are
in the US, it would be easiest (and cheapest) to sell to you - if you
are interested. Price would be $200 plus priority mail shipping. Let
me know.

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Post by EricBismarck »

Thanks Jay - My Albanian specialty is really just a few issues. It's tough to justify the cost for the single country volume :-) - It's a pretty rare book so I am sure your price isn't too out of line.


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