Counting up in prime numbers #2
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Re: Counting up in prime numbers #2
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Some thoughts about BlackTuesday's previous post.
Yes, BlackTuesday, two primes in a run of six numbers should be regarded as a "dense as possible" configuration; three primes in a run of eight numbers should also be so regarded, and so on.
Some theoretical definitions
• Fixed number of primes: For any positive integer k, let L(k) be the minimum number such that there is a run of L(k) consecutive integers which contains k primes, all of which are greater than the first k primes. All examples of such a run of L(k) numbers must begin and end with a prime: if p is the first member of the run, then the last member of the run is q = p + L(k) – 1, and L(k) = q – p + 1.
Then L(k) is always odd, and the first few values are
L(1) = 1 [e.g. {3}];
L(2) = 3 [e.g. {5, 7}];
L(3) = 7 [e.g. {7, 11, 13}];
L(4) = 9 [e.g. {11, 13, 17, 19}];
L(5) = 13 [e.g. {101, 103, 107, 109, 113}] etc.
The conjecture is that for each k there are infinitely many examples (known to be true for k = 1, but not known to be true for any k ≥ 2).
• Fixed run size: For any positive integer n, let M(n) be the maximum number of primes, all greater than n, which occur in a run of n consecutive integers. An example of any such run of n numbers containing M(n) primes is a neighbour configuration if the run begins and ends with a prime: if p is the first member of the run, then the last member of the run is q = p + n – 1, and n = q – p + 1. A neighbour configuration is maximal if it is not contained in a larger neighbour configuration.
If M(n) > M(n-1) then n is odd; if n is odd then M(n+1) = M(n). A maximal configuration can only occur when n is odd.
M(1) = 1 [e.g. {2}];
M(2) = 1 [e.g. {3}];
M(3) = M(4) = 2 [e.g. {5, 7}];
M(5) = M(6) = 2 [e.g. {7, 11}];
M(7) = M(8) = 3 [e.g. {11, 13, 17}];
M(9) = M(10) = 4 [e.g. {11, 13, 17, 19}, {101, 103, 107, 109}];
M(11) = M(12) = 4 [e.g. {37, 41, 43, 37}];
M(13) = M(14) = 5 [e.g. {97, 101, 103, 107, 109}];
M(15) = M(16) = 5 [e.g. {17, 19, 23, 29, 31}];
M(17) = M(18) = 6 [e.g. {97, 101, 103, 107, 109, 113}] etc.
The case represented by 113,899 and 113,903 is maximal neighbour configuration for M(5) = 2.
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Some thoughts about BlackTuesday's previous post.
Yes, BlackTuesday, two primes in a run of six numbers should be regarded as a "dense as possible" configuration; three primes in a run of eight numbers should also be so regarded, and so on.
Some theoretical definitions
• Fixed number of primes: For any positive integer k, let L(k) be the minimum number such that there is a run of L(k) consecutive integers which contains k primes, all of which are greater than the first k primes. All examples of such a run of L(k) numbers must begin and end with a prime: if p is the first member of the run, then the last member of the run is q = p + L(k) – 1, and L(k) = q – p + 1.
Then L(k) is always odd, and the first few values are
L(1) = 1 [e.g. {3}];
L(2) = 3 [e.g. {5, 7}];
L(3) = 7 [e.g. {7, 11, 13}];
L(4) = 9 [e.g. {11, 13, 17, 19}];
L(5) = 13 [e.g. {101, 103, 107, 109, 113}] etc.
The conjecture is that for each k there are infinitely many examples (known to be true for k = 1, but not known to be true for any k ≥ 2).
• Fixed run size: For any positive integer n, let M(n) be the maximum number of primes, all greater than n, which occur in a run of n consecutive integers. An example of any such run of n numbers containing M(n) primes is a neighbour configuration if the run begins and ends with a prime: if p is the first member of the run, then the last member of the run is q = p + n – 1, and n = q – p + 1. A neighbour configuration is maximal if it is not contained in a larger neighbour configuration.
If M(n) > M(n-1) then n is odd; if n is odd then M(n+1) = M(n). A maximal configuration can only occur when n is odd.
M(1) = 1 [e.g. {2}];
M(2) = 1 [e.g. {3}];
M(3) = M(4) = 2 [e.g. {5, 7}];
M(5) = M(6) = 2 [e.g. {7, 11}];
M(7) = M(8) = 3 [e.g. {11, 13, 17}];
M(9) = M(10) = 4 [e.g. {11, 13, 17, 19}, {101, 103, 107, 109}];
M(11) = M(12) = 4 [e.g. {37, 41, 43, 37}];
M(13) = M(14) = 5 [e.g. {97, 101, 103, 107, 109}];
M(15) = M(16) = 5 [e.g. {17, 19, 23, 29, 31}];
M(17) = M(18) = 6 [e.g. {97, 101, 103, 107, 109, 113}] etc.
The case represented by 113,899 and 113,903 is maximal neighbour configuration for M(5) = 2.
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Next two come soon, but not quite close enough to count as a "configuration".
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Next two come soon, but not quite close enough to count as a "configuration".
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Re: Counting up in prime numbers #2
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— another "as dense as possible" group in a run of five consecutive numbers...
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Re: Counting up in prime numbers #2
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Re: Counting up in prime numbers #2
More than 2 days later — where are the other posters for this thread?
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Hmmm, 114,157 and 114,161 together are a configuration (2 primes in a run of five is maximal).
But 114,167 is not part of that configuration (3 primes in a run of eleven is not maximal
— for example 97, 101, 103, 107 are four primes in a run of eleven.
(An even denser occurrence of four primes is 101, 103, 107, 109 so 4 is already the best possible
in runs of nine.)
So, 114,167 should have been the next post.
After that we have:
114,193
114,197
114,199
114,203
This is a maximal configuration (4 primes in a run of eleven)
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But 114,167 is not part of that configuration (3 primes in a run of eleven is not maximal
— for example 97, 101, 103, 107 are four primes in a run of eleven.
(An even denser occurrence of four primes is 101, 103, 107, 109 so 4 is already the best possible
in runs of nine.)
So, 114,167 should have been the next post.
After that we have:
114,193
114,197
114,199
114,203
This is a maximal configuration (4 primes in a run of eleven)



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Nice to see other regular participants back on this thread 
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Two primes in a run of five integers: maximal configuration.
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Of course, 114411 and 114477 will be composite, because they "must be" multiples of 11
— the alternating sum/difference of their digits is 0.
In fact any number greater than 11 with digits occurring in repeated pairs is a multiple of 11.
There are some posts about this and related ideas. The main one for 11 is
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=40&start=127
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Of course, 114411 and 114477 will be composite, because they "must be" multiples of 11
— the alternating sum/difference of their digits is 0.
In fact any number greater than 11 with digits occurring in repeated pairs is a multiple of 11.
There are some posts about this and related ideas. The main one for 11 is
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=40&start=127
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Two primes in a run of three integers
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Re: Counting up in prime numbers #2
Recall that two primes in a run of three integers (>2) are twin primes.
Not so close, but still maximum possible, are two primes in a run of five integers (>3)
since three consecutive odd integers must include a multiple of 3:
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Not so close, but still maximum possible, are two primes in a run of five integers (>3)
since three consecutive odd integers must include a multiple of 3:
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114,617
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