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A quick google and Board search revealed nothing on this cover.

1953 Norfolk Island Ship Cachet FDC First Day Cover.

It doesn't ring a bell with me, but that doesn't mean much. Any ideas?


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A quick google and Board search revealed nothing on this cover.

1953 Norfolk Island Ship Cachet FDC First Day Cover.

It doesn't ring a bell with me, but that doesn't mean much. Any ideas?



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Thanks Brad. Email sent.
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Is the jury still out on the maker of this cover?

It has been suggested in the past that this Kookaburra Cachet FDC was by either Bodin or Hawker.


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Whilst rummaging through a dealers FDC box for postmarks I came across these two 1955 Florence Nightingale - Nursing FDC.

The cachet/maker looked unusual and a search of the board and ebay yielded zilch. Any idea who made these probably common FDC


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Whilst rummaging through a dealers FDC box for postmarks I came across these two1955 Florence Nightingale - Nursing FDC.

The cachet/maker looked unusual and a search of the board and ebay yielded zilch. Any idea who made these probably common FDC



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A "heads up" on this Launceston Philatelic Society publication that will be released next weekend.

I have just posted an item in the Stampboards .... "Clubs - This is YOUR Club Space ..." area advising of our 75th Anniversary event next weekend and some details of our Max Easther monograph.

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Greetings all -

The Launceston Philatelic Society held its' 75th Anniversary Dinner last night at which the monograph "The First Day Cover Cachets of Max Easther 1952 - 1965" was officially launched.
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It is a 36-page spiral-bound booklet with all illustrations in full colour together with biographical and background notes and a double-paged spreadsheet which hopefully can act as a checklist.

Please refer to the Stampboards thread "SELL your surplus ...." for details of price etc.

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Hello,
I hope everyone healthy & covid free.

I have 4 Australian FDC i'm interested in finding out more info.

First 1 says Colinridge Rivett in pencil on rear. According to MWP Book say his fdc will have AFDC Baulkham hills handstamp on rear which this does. Any idea's on rarity & possible value.

# 01 18 AU 60
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# 02 15 NO 48 Scout FDC
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Nothing on rear but I think i've seen it before.Gosford P/M
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# 03 15 NO 48
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Nothing on rear.
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# 04 15 NO 48 addressed to USA

Not sure if printed or pen illustration.
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Greetings all -

The Launceston Philatelic Society held its' 75th Anniversary Dinner last night at which the monograph "The First Day Cover Cachets of Max Easther 1952 - 1965" was officially launched.

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It is a 36-page spiral-bound booklet with all illustrations in full colour together with biographical and background notes and a double-paged spreadsheet which hopefully can act as a checklist.

Please refer to the Stampboards thread "SELL your surplus ...." for details of price etc.

Thank you and cheers, Gordon H
My copy of the new Easther monograph arrived today and it's absolutely FANTASTIC. I knew it was going to be good - but really - it's excellent. The print quality, the layout, the information, the whole publication came together very nicely indeed.

This is a must-have reference for all those interested in the scarce / unusual / esoteric pre-decimal Aussie First Day Covers made by Max Easther. It has helped me identify some covers that I wasn't quite sure about yet and it's just really great to see everything together in one place.

I really wish there were more publications like this, showing a complete catalogue (in full colour) of the various different cachet manufacturers from back in the day. Gordon has done a marvellous job.

I'd also like to extend my thanks to the Launceston Philatelic Society.

Cheers :) Simon
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Hello,

I posted a few days ago on some scout covers. 1 reply before this.They are numbered

Also, I got 2 more.

Both simular with the handstamp. But the 2nd one has John H Hawker USA Specialists of Australia.
Not sure on Postmark tho. VIC from somewhere that ends in N. Alphington ?????

Would they be by the same person. Ive tried Pacific Stamp Supply. In the MWP Book to no joy.

# 01 12 MY 1937 Australian Coronation Cover (not fdc)
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# 02 15 AU 1945 Australian VP Day Cover ( not fdc)
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Stampboarder pmc has identified this postmark as "Alphington N20". Was Hawker from that side of town?

Brad :)
Not sure where he lived in 1940s, Brad. He was in Windsor in 1950s onwards.

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So could be Alphington. Not sure what N20 is.Possibly a extra Aussie Postmark part.

Thanks for any help. Whether these two or for the 4 above.

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cronky wrote:
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GYDAM wrote:
18 Jul 2021 16:57
Greetings all -

The Launceston Philatelic Society held its' 75th Anniversary Dinner last night at which the monograph "The First Day Cover Cachets of Max Easther 1952 - 1965" was officially launched.

Image

It is a 36-page spiral-bound booklet with all illustrations in full colour together with biographical and background notes and a double-paged spreadsheet which hopefully can act as a checklist.

Please refer to the Stampboards thread "SELL your surplus ...." for details of price etc.

Thank you and cheers, Gordon H
My copy of the new Easther monograph arrived today and it's absolutely FANTASTIC. I knew it was going to be good - but really - it's excellent. The print quality, the layout, the information, the whole publication came together very nicely indeed.

This is a must-have reference for all those interested in the scarce / unusual / esoteric pre-decimal Aussie First Day Covers made by Max Easther. It has helped me identify some covers that I wasn't quite sure about yet, and it's just really great to see everything together in one place.

I really wish there were more publications like this, showing a complete catalogue (in full colour) of the various different cachet manufacturers from back in the day. Gordon has done a marvellous job.

I'd also like to extend my thanks to the Launceston Philatelic Society.

Cheers :) Simon

Agree - a superb effort, and well worth those interested grabbing one here -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=95897

Gordon kindly mailed me one, and says he had a lot of support and input from Frank Pauer and Michael Moore in compiling it, so an essential addition to the earlier Monograph series.

These handbooks invariably sell out, so grabbing one EARLY always pays off. :)

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Kiwidude wrote:
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Hello,

I posted a few days ago on some scout covers. 1 reply before this.They are numbered

Also, I got 2 more.

Both simular with the handstamp. But the 2nd one has John H Hawker USA Specialists of Australia.
Not sure on Postmark tho. VIC from somewhere that ends in N. Alphington ?????

Would they be by the same person. Ive tried Pacific Stamp Supply. In the MWP Book to no joy.

# 01 12 MY 1937 Australian Coronation Cover (not fdc)
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# 02 15 AU 1945 Australian VP Day Cover ( not fdc)
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Rod Perry wrote:John H Hawker's PO Box, Brad.

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Thank you Rod
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Stampboarder pmc has identified this postmark as "Alphington N20". Was Hawker from that side of town?

Brad :)
Not sure where he lived in 1940s, Brad. He was in Windsor in 1950s onwards.

Rod
So could be Alphington. Not sure what N20 is.Possibly a extra Aussie Postmark part.

Thanks for any help. Whether these two or for the 4 above.

Peter

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Postmark is Alphington N20 - N20 is a postal code. Before the 4 digit postcodes were introduced in 1967, an alpha-numeric postal code was used in the Australian major cities & their suburbs.

Not seen the rubber stamps for Coronation Day or VP day before. Could be Hawker, he did add-ons mainly to WCS fdcs, but the Bondi postmarks don't fit.

He managed the Myer Stamp Shop, which was in the Myer Building, in Lonsdale St Melbourne & supplied fdcs to customers usually postmarked Lonsdale Street. I read somewhere on the Board recently that the Lonsdale Street Post Office was also in the Myer Building.

He was later to take over Bob Haslem's business in Windsor & used the name Cheshire Stamps.

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cronky wrote:
29 Jul 2021 17:55
GYDAM wrote:
18 Jul 2021 16:57
Greetings all -

The Launceston Philatelic Society held its' 75th Anniversary Dinner last night at which the monograph "The First Day Cover Cachets of Max Easther 1952 - 1965" was officially launched.

Image

It is a 36-page spiral-bound booklet with all illustrations in full colour together with biographical and background notes and a double-paged spreadsheet which hopefully can act as a checklist.

Please refer to the Stampboards thread "SELL your surplus ...." for details of price etc.

Thank you and cheers, Gordon H

My copy of the new Easther monograph arrived today and it's absolutely FANTASTIC. I knew it was going to be good - but really - it's excellent. The print quality, the layout, the information, the whole publication came together very nicely indeed.

This is a must-have reference for all those interested in the scarce / unusual / esoteric pre-decimal Aussie First Day Covers made by Max Easther. It has helped me identify some covers that I wasn't quite sure about yet, and it's just really great to see everything together in one place.

I really wish there were more publications like this, showing a complete catalogue (in full colour) of the various different cachet manufacturers from back in the day. Gordon has done a marvellous job.

I'd also like to extend my thanks to the Launceston Philatelic Society.

Cheers :) Simon

Agree - a superb effort, and well worth those interested grabbing one here -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=95897

Gordon kindly mailed me one, and says he had a lot of support and input from Frank Pauer and Michael Moore in compiling it, so an essential addition to the earlier Monograph series.

These handbooks invariably sell out, so grabbing one EARLY always pays off. :)

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Thanks Cronky and Glen - other comments that we've received have been very positive, too.

Details re purchase are on the Stampboards thread: "SELL your surplus ...." with payment by either direct credit to the LPS (NAB) bank account number as quoted or by mail order.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=95897

The LPS doesn't have a Paypal account but payment can be made via my Paypal account and I'll settle up with the club. Please email me for details at " gyharrison (at) bigpond (dot) com "

Thanks, and cheers - Gordon

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Another "Redfern" 1938 cachet cover. Only known used in Sydney and Melbourne.


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Another "Redfern" 1938 cachet cover. Only known used in Sydney and Melbourne.
My guess is the distintive handwriting is that of Saville Sheard - the prolific QUEENSLAND cover producer. :mrgreen:
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Hi MJ's pet,

Thanks for your help to post the Redfern cover here :)

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Here are three more of the 1938 illustrated Sesqui-Centennary covers.

All from the same source and cancelled at Pennant Hills but unaddressed so per favour cancels I suppose?

Anyway another location to add to the list.

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Hopefully this is the appropriate topic to show this homemade fdc.

The cover features three stamps issued 2nd August 1937.
Cancelled on the same date at Pennant Hills.

SG168, SG172 & SG174.
3d KGVI and wattles, 6d kookaburra & 1/- lyre bird.


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Maybe the same PENNANT HILLS sender as the covers posted before it?
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Indeed, same family anyway.
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I just bought this lot of FDCs in essence for the two Malvern South postmarks at top right which are rated RRR but I did notice an interesting cachet at lower left.

I have a feeling the Kookaburra cachet/maker has been mentioned before (as has the Peace FDC maker)

Any ideas on the maker and value of the Kookaburra cachet cover?


Kookabuura cachet Malvern South Postmark
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Have not seen the Kookaburra cachet before. Nice find. Ideas? :idea:

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Pretty sure it's a Haslem generic cover. I was the underbidder !

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Found the reference to these on the board.

As an added bonus, you would think a Malvern postmark was common, but but this one is rated RRR.

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All have Melbourne cancels.

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I had thought these were Wide World generics but I can't prove it.

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You're confusing with the elusive Fauna series that Wide World produced in early 1950s, Brad.

The subject series are almost certainly from a Melbourne source.

Likely contenders might include Rex Bodin and John H. Hawker.

Hawker from 1950s was manager of Myer Philatelic Dept., so that association may suggest they were a generic of that brand?

No doubting they are very scarce.

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From the Cover Collector Journal # 24 (Spring/Summer 2010), the article is titled 'Haslem Fauna Generic FDCs":
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Anything known about this cover? Thanks.

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Not much to know other than it's is an uncacheted Australian Post Office 5d pre-stamped envelope with 5d AAT Mawson added, postmarked Cowra cds on fdi - 18th October 1961 to Germany
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Hello,

I've got a question.

Its about Arthur Segnit.

The first cover I recently purchased as it went with the AHS2 I already had .Cover 2 and was told was sure only 2 done. 20 NO 47 & 2nd 12 JL 48

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While looking thru ebay i was surprised to see the 3rd cover addressed Hand Drawn Cover to Arthur Segnit.

Could this be his as well???

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The handwriting of the address appears to be that of Saville Sheard:

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=62919

But the handwriting on the illustration looks like Segnit's.

An interesting link-up.

My best guess is that this is a one-off, produced by Segnit for his own personal consumption as it were. Why the address wasn't written by Segnit, and his connection with Sheard, is a mystery to me.
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Not technically the right thread but any ideas who designed the 1934 and 1950 Australian Philatelic Exhibition covers? BigSaint, any ideas? :idea: :idea:

Link here: https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22166&p=7380007#p7380007

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Can others advise if most of the Gower FDC of this were done from GLENELG? It does make sense, but not sure if others serviced of them from other POs?

The Old Gum Tree (also known as The Proclamation Tree) the central image on the stamps, is a historic site in Glenelg, South Australia. Around this tree on 28 December 1836, the British governor John Hindmarsh delivered the proclamation announcing the establishment of Government of the colony of South Australia. A ceremony is held each year at the site on Proclamation Day, with the current Governor reading out Hindmarsh's original speech.


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Re: Unidentified or unknown Australia First Day Cover makers

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There were 6 different covers produced by Gower for the SA Centenary stamps.

- Unframed 'First Day Cover' & Framed 'Centenary of SA'
- green 'Old Gum Tree'
- blue 'HMS Buffalo'
- black 'Sir John Hindmarsh'

Your FDC is unframed, the following is framed.


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A precursor for his 24 set of FDCs for the 10 May 1937 Coronation issue.

I have a cover like yours with an Adelaide cds but my other 5 all have the Glenelg cds.

I have also seen a cover with a Woolloongabba cds but by far the most seem to be 'Glenelg'.

Interestingly Gower was still offering serviced first day covers for the SA Centenary as late as 1962 in his publication 'Philatelic Covers.


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Of even more interest is the offers for KGV fdcs on plain envelopes - if they were 'real'.

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roninrr wrote:
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Interestingly Gower was still offering serviced first day covers ... as late as 1962 in his publication 'Philatelic Covers.

Of even more interest is the offers for KGV fdcs on plain envelopes - if they were 'real'.

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Gower Plain KGV FDCs offered in his 1962 catalogue


Very interesting. 8-) The understatement of the year! :lol: :lol:

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roninrr - do you have the page or pages before this with any earlier KGV (or Roo) FDCs offered by Gower?

Very interesting as they say in the classics. 8-)

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Re: Unidentified or unknown Australia First Day Cover makers

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Here is the previous 2 pages including the introductory spiel.

A couple of No.18's would be nice even if they were not FDC's.

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Gower could not have sold many (any?) Roo or KGV or there would be more recorded.

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Gower owned a Post Office as we know. For decades.

He possessed genuine post office cancellers. Some of which were certainly back dated as is well recorded, by him or his "helpers''.

Most of the FDC which you show on that last page have never existed.

Then and now. :!: :!:

But if anyone was dumb enough to hand over 30 quid he'd buy a mint or no gum pound Roo off a dealer for 15 quid, and knock you one out a 'FDC' on a plain envelope as he states. :roll: :roll: :roll:

That was more than a week's wages instant profit.

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roninrr, thanks for posting the other pages.
roninrr wrote:
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Gower could not have sold many (any?) Roo or KGV or there would be more recorded.
True.

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Most of the FDC which you show on that last page have never existed.

Then and now. :!: :!:

But if anyone was dumb enough to hand over 30 quid he'd buy a mint or no gum pound Roo off a dealer for 15 quid, and knock you one out a 'FDC' on a plain envelope as he states. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Truer! :lol: :lol:

Even in the 1960s nearly everybody would have known that Gower's alleged stock was impossible. :roll: :roll:
People are not stupid. The problem arises decades later when certain "possible" covers (eg. high value Arms) go into newbie collections.

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Re: Unidentified or unknown Australia First Day Cover makers

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Glen

One of your Gower Stamp Den fdcs postmarked Brisbane from eBay:


Stamps 1936 Centenary South Australia 2d & 3d Gower Stamp Den - Hindmarsh cachet FDC postmarked Brisbane machine slogan cancel.
Stamps 1936 Centenary South Australia 2d & 3d Gower Stamp Den - Hindmarsh cachet FDC postmarked Brisbane machine slogan cancel.

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https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/373199859171?hash=item56e471ede3:g:YgkAAOSw4VJfWMsy

I think it might be there for a while. :D
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