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G'day all - hope you're all having a nice holiday weekend. Any of you still hanging around with nothing better to do, could I have your help getting a definitive listing on the '200 Club' (or 'Club 200' depending where you come from) postmarks and covers issued during 1988 please.

I'm still working on Edition 2 (for my sins and am slaving away on the keyboard instead of being up at the snow!!) and have found one cover that wasn't listed previously in Australian PictorMarks but will be this time around. Some of the covers had brand new postmarks on them while others used permanent pictorials. Here's the current listing I have ... if you can help with any corrections - or even to tell me this is right! - I'd be ever so grateful:


'Club 200' covers and postmarks

Although 1000 of each of the covers described above was produced and a total of 42 covers forms the complete set, only 350 sets were cancelled. Value of sets can only be gauged on the availability, but $250 would be a fair estimate.

Most postmarks were reduced in size from the original, and both 'permanent use' and 'commemorative' cancels were used. Cross-references with the original are shown where necessary. It was discovered in 1994 that some postmarks were used on other covers, apart from the specified 'BIC' logo cover, also that both original and reduced postmarks have appeared on both covers.

One example is APM19560 which has appeared on 'BIC' logo and 'Bicentennial Exhibition' covers (stamp areas shown at right). Also, in late 1995, advice was received that private covers were also cancelled with many of the 'Club 200' postmarks.

Under these circumstances, it is obvious that many postmarks will surface on other types of covers and could be valued at $15 each.

Australia Post themselves stated that 'The service was established to provide philatelic recognition for the many worthwhile organisations whose requests for commemorative stamps and pre-stamped envelopes had to be rejected due to heavy commitments in this Bicentennial year.

Although Australia Post is assisting approved applicants with the design and production of 200 Club overprints, the resulting products are categorised as private overprints and are therefore not sold directly by Australia Post.'

Cover details as follows :

1. ☐ 8 February 1988: 14 Commonwealth Universities Congress 7-12 February, featuring a replica of postmark with cancel PO University Crawley WA 6009 (APM19580).

2. ☐ 8 February 1988: Centenary Girls Friendly Society WA Featuring Society logo with cancel 'PSC. Perth' (APM9171) size 25 mm.

3. ☐ 18 February 1988: 35 years of first day cover production featuring Postmaster cancelling mail, with cancel 'Largs North 5016', in recognition of Postmaster John Gower, originator of Australia Post FDC Service (APM19640).

4. ☐ 22 February 1988: Australian Electoral Commission No 1 featuring queues of voters including women at polling booths, with 'Canberra Parliament House' cancel (APM6990).

5. ☐ 29 February 1988: Centenary of Heidelberg School of Art featuring a typical country painting from the School, with 'Philatelic Sales Melb' cancel (APM10661) size 25 mm (original 30 mm).

6. ☐ 14 March 1988: 14th World Congress ICFTU. Featuring replica of postmark, with 'Commemorative ICFTU' postmark (APM19682) size 30 x 36 mm (original 38 x 45 mm).

7. ☐ 17 March 1988: 15th Anniversary SLSA Helicopter Rescue Service featuring helicopters scanning NSW coastline, serving the Sydney community 1973-1988, with 'SLSA Emergency Service' postmark (APM19710) and cachet.

8. ☐ 18 March 1988: Interdominion Pacing Championships 4-18 March featuring a typical race finish of the Fosters Inter-Dominion, with 'Glebe Paceway' cancel (APM19721) size 29 x 31 mm (original 35 x 38 mm).

9. ☐ 21 March 1988: 50th Anniversary of Master Mariners Co of Australia featuring a steamship, oil tanker, company badge, superimposed over map of Australia, with 'Williamstown Vic' cancel APM15151 size 38 x 32 mm (original 38 x 35 mm).

10. ☐ 5 April 1988: 75th Anniversary Royal Australian Naval College. HMAS Creswell featuring training aircraft, college badge and white ensign, with 'Huskisson NSW' cancel (APM17721) size 35 x 29 mm (original 43 x 36 mm).

11. ☐ 14 April 1988: Australian Antarctic Territory ... Essen Stamp Exhibition 14-17 April featuring penguin overlooking map of Antarctic Territory and typical sled team in action, with 'AAT' postmark used at Exhibition (APM19861) size 35 x 24 mm (original 45 x 31 mm).

12. ☐ 14 April 1988: Australia Post Essen Stamp Exhibition 14-17 April featuring view of City of Essen and 'hammer and sickle' logo, with AP cancel used at Exhibition (APM19860) size 30 mm (original 37 mm).

13. ☐ 17 April 1988: Steamfest '88 featuring steam passenger train in operation, with TPO Perth-Yarloop WA cancel (APM19870). The postmark was originally advertised for 16 April.

14. ☐ 17 April 1988: Steamfest '88 featuring steam passenger train in operation, with TPO Boyanup-Yarloop WA cancel (APM19871).

15. ☐ 21 April 1988: International Optometric Conference featuring Australian Optometric Association logos (AOA Bicentenary Congress and International Optometric and Optical League Meeting April 1988). with 'PSC Melbourne' cancel (APM10661) size 25 mm (original 30 mm).

16. ☐ 22 April 1988: Geraldton WA celebrating city status featuring Geraldton City Coat-of-Arms, with 'Geraldton' cancel (APM16771) size 25 mm (original 34 mm).

17. ☐ 30 April 1988: 25th Anniversary of ESA Women International featuring ESA badge, with 'PSC Brisbane' cancel (APM18640) size 27 mm.

18. ☐ 1 May 1988: Power House Museum featuring sketch drawing of the Museum, with 'Broadway NSW' cancel (APM20080) size 28 x 27 mm (original 34 x 34 mm).

19. ☐ 9 May 1988: 50th Anniversary Australian College of Physicians 8-13 May, featuring 'The Royal Australian College of Physicians Golden Jubilee Meeting', with 'St. James NSW Tower' cancel (APM16170) size 34 x 29 mm (original 42 x 36 mm).

20. ☐ 18 May 1988: Southern Pacific Regional Conference on Epilepsy featuring a 'burning candle', with 'PSC Brisbane' cancel (APM18640) size 27 mm.

21. ☐ 22 May 1988: 39th Congress of International Real Estate Federation 22-27 May featuring 'FIABC '88' and Melbourne tall building scene, with 'Philatelic Sales Melbourne' cancel (APM10661) size 25 mm (original 30 mm).

22. ☐ 1 June 1988: 'Finlandia '88'Stamp Exhibition featuring map of Finland and four old-time sailing vessels, with AP postmark used at Exhibition (APM20210) size 45 x 31 mm.

23. ☐ 21 June 1988: Centenary Royal North Shore Hospital, Sydney featuring a drawing of original and new Hospitals with 'RNS Hospital' postmark (APM20360) size 27 x 18 mm (original 33 x 23 mm).

24. ☐ 4 July 1988: Centenary of Fairfield Local Government featuring Council seal and early street scene of buildings with 'Fairfield NSW' cancel (APM17451) size 32 mm (original 40 mm).

25. ☐ 17 July 1988: 18th ISME International Conference 17-23 July featuring logos of the world ISME and conference logo, with Canberra Parliament House cancel (APM20132) size 32 x 28 mm (original 40 x 34 mm).

26. ☐ 18 July 1988: Rostrum Speak Up Australia 1988 featuring Rostrum logo and 'The Penguin Club of Australia', with 'Telecom Tower' cancel (APM13351) size 30 mm (original 38 mm).

27. ☐ 30 July 1988: 'Austamp '90' National Philatelic Exhibition Canberra 16-19 March featuring drawing of Parliament House and flagpole, with 'Parliament House' cancel (APM20132) size 32 x 28 mm (original 40 x 34 mm).

28. ☐ 30 July 1988: 'Sydpex '88' Bicentenary National Stamp Exhibition Sydney 30 July-7 August featuring family members viewing Stamp Exhibition, with 'Sydpex '88' Opening Day' cancel (APM20450) size 32 x 22 mm (original 41 x 29 mm).

29. ☐ 30 July 1988: 'Sydpex '88' Bicentenary National Stamp Exhibition Sydney 30 July-7 August, with 'Sydpex '88 Logo' cancel (APM20461) size 28 x 32 mm (original 35 x 42 mm) same feature as above.

30. ☐ 22 August 1988: 26th Congress of International Geographic Union featuring world globe being circled by satellite with computer below and old-time sailing ship (relating the old to the new), with 'University of Sydney' cancel (APM17240) size 28 mm (37 mm).

31. ☐ 29 August 1988: 15th International Congress of Psychology 28 August-3 September featuring an 'explosive' view of the human mind, with 'Pyrmont NSW' cancel (APM20381) 27 x 30 mm (original 33 x 37 mm).

32. ☐ 4 September 1988: 48th Congress of Federated International Pharmaceutique 4-9 September featuring Opera House and Bridge, with 'Pyrmont NSW' cancel (APM20381) size 27 x 30 mm (original 33 x 37 mm).

33. ☐ 19 September 1988: 20th Asian Racing Conference featuring horseshoe encompassing a racehorse and Australian flag, with 'Royal Exchange NSW' cancel (APM12310).

34. ☐ 26 September 1988: WOCO '88' Annual Conference ... World Council of Young Men's Service Clubs 25 September-1 October featuring an 'image' of how the Council covers the worlds' needs of Young Men's Service Clubs, with 'PSC Hobart' cancel (APM10930) size 26 mm.

35. ☐ 4 October 1988: Australian Electoral Commission No 2, 200 years of Australian Electoral History featuring voters, including women, queuing at voting booths, with 'Canberra Parliament House' cancel (APM20132) size 32 x 28 mm (original 40 x 34 mm).

36. ☐ 4 October 1988: International Chiropractic Congress 2-9 October featuring a person doing back exercises, with 'Royal Exchange NSW' cancel (APM12311) size 30 x 22 mm (original 38 x 28 mm).

37. ☐ 14 October 1988: 3801 Bicentennial Steam Train featuring this famous steam train in progress, with 'Thirlmere NSW' cancel (APM17460) size 36 x 28 mm (original 38 x 28 mm).

38. ☐ 20 October 1988: 15th Anniversary Sydney Opera House featuring a high-rise view of the Opera House complex, with 'Royal Exchange NSW' cancel (APM12311) size 30 x 22 mm (original 38 x 28 mm).

39. ☐ 22 October 1988: Muscular Dystrophy Week 22-28 October featuring microscope with 'Fight Muscular Dystrophy', with 'Philatelic Sales Perth' cancel (APM9171) size 25 mm (original 31 mm).

40. ☐ 31 October 1988: Flying Scotsman 'Aus-Steam 1988' featuring this famous train in progress, with postmark APM20880 size 30 mm (original 40 mm) plus cachet.

41. ☐ 14 November 1988: 9th CCITT Plenary Assembly ITU 28 November-9 December and featuring ITU logo, with 'PSC Melb' cancel (APM10661) size 30 mm.

42. ☐ 20 November 1988: 13th International Diabetes Federation Congress with 'Pyrmont NSW' cancel (APM20381) size 27 x 30 mm (original 33 x 37 mm).

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Thanks Colleen - I had used Collyer and Peck ("Bicentennial Philately") as a reference, but was unable to work out what the 42nd envelope was...
There is also a sequencing issue wrt envelope numbers and postmarking -
- Envelope 10 is your tenth postmark, but
- Envelope 11 is not your tenth postmark.
You might want to note this in your listing - particularly if you can cross match chronological pictormarks with envelope numbers..

I only have a partial set, so can't provide specific advice on detail. Sutherland Philatelics (from Qld) have a set for sale in a "special Club 200 folder" http://www.sutherlandphilatelics.com.au/lists/pse1.pdf - but I note they advise that there are only 41 covers in the complete set.

Some covers (eg Envelope 23 - Sydpex 88 - your #28) seem to be easier to obtain than others. Collyer and Peck state
In an endeavour to provide more than a commemorative postmark, the '200 Club' was born. Australia Post issued a special PSE on 4 January 1988, and throughout 1988 has arranged for the overprinting of these for approved applicants. They are then marketed by the applicant and 1000 (mint and used) marketed to philatelists by Wesley Cover Service.
This is a secondary source - but would seem to suggest that 1,000 were sold by WCS, and organisations (like the Sydpex 88 organising committee) were able to sell numbers in addition to that 1,000.
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I remember this "200 Club" (he referred it as that only) was one of Michael Hudson at Wesley's little brain farts that he somehow talked AP into letting him do. :roll:

Knowing him, he'll still crank out covers if there is demand like many other dodgy things they flog in there at sydneystampcentre :twisted:

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I also found it surprising that whilst Australia Post / WCS were able to provide a date of birth for John Gower (25 April 1904), on the back of the 200-club envelope No. 03 they refer to "his death in the late 1960's".
This envelope also suggests that the death of John Gower was the trigger for Australia Post to issue its own First Day Covers
Thus was born Australia's first Philatelic Bureau and the Wesley Cover Service. John Gower issued official First Day Covers for the PMG's Department and serviced its philatelic orders until his death in the late 1960's. At this point, the Department commenced to issue its own First Day Covers whilst the Wesley Cover Service continued in private hands.

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Re Glen's e-mail above, there does seem to be a lot of Bicentennial Logo PSE material available from one particular vendor - lots of different thematic cachets, with seemingly unconnected CDS cancellations...

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G'day Jim ... trust you're well!

Oddly enough, the forty-second one is the twin of that shown on the Sutherland Philatelic website - number 14 on my list. The Perth to Yarloop postmark had a mate ... Boyanup to Yarloop! There you go. It's a fair mongrel trying to sort all these out this far down the track with so little reference material to go on.

Whoever got the ball rolling on this set of covers is really a bit immaterial - they exist and they are collectible, like it or not! Mind you, there are some I'd like to delete from the list, simply because they're not really postmarks!! No.7 actually springs instantly to mind (and I'll take out the reference to the NSW coastline, because there's absolutely no location in the "postmark")!! Grrrrrrrrr

Thanks for the info though. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the Collyer and Peck ("Bicentennial Philately") to hand. Lots of other stuff, but not that one!

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Collyer and Peck only produced 200 copies (very bicentennial of them...), and with a soft cover, there are probably less than that in circulation.

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jimdotwalker wrote:
Thus was born Australia's first Philatelic Bureau and the Wesley Cover Service. John Gower issued official First Day Covers for the PMG's Department and serviced its philatelic orders until his death in the late 1960's. At this point, the Department commenced to issue its own First Day Covers whilst the Wesley Cover Service continued in private hands.

Michael Hudson has written and spoken more utter BS about Gower than anyone on earth.

If he was any kind of businessman, WCS would still be a powerful and popular FDC brand.

My rule of thumb with him over 30 years has always been to assume about 10% of what he says is accurate and correct, and that is a fairly safe yardstick.

This above appears to be based on some of it he sputed to some PO sucker, who believed it verbatim.

Gower died in 1966 - not the "late 60s"

Gower AFAIK had NOTHING to do with making FDC for the PMG Department at any time - as stated.

Indeed he was the main competitor to their sales on blank Hermes and Logo envelopes.

At one time he was PM of the tiny Larg's North PO and allowed all kinds of spivs access to the official cancels, knowingly or unknowingly. Hence many covers exist with genuine Larg's Bay cancels backdated many years.
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As I wrote in my column -

https://www.glenstephens.com/snjune03.html

... invaluable article on "back dated" Wesley FDC's. These are not strictly forgeries, as they use genuine WCS blank envelopes, genuine stamps, and genuine Largs North postmarkers.

The one of most concern money-wise is the 1950 £2 Arms. A "FDC" identical to the one illustrated was offered recently by an auction with a reserve of $1,500 as unaddressed covers from 1950 are rare. Senior FDC collectors succeeded in having it withdrawn.

So what is the problem you might ask? A nice colourful WCS cacheted and unaddressed envelope, with an apparently genuine Largs North postmark of 1950.

Why is it a fake? Well there are two compelling reasons. (a) that "Generic" WCS Aboriginal envelope was not printed until 1961, for use on the 5/- Cattle FDC. (b) The canceller with "S.Aust" and not "South Aust" was not manufactured until about 15 years later!

How was it done? Some collectors "helped" the wheelchair bound Gower, and clearly had access at the time to the genuine Post Office handstamps - and the blank covers. Thus a "backdate" like this was sometimes possible.

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28. ☐ 30 July 1988: 'Sydpex '88' Bicentenary National Stamp Exhibition Sydney 30 July-7 August featuring family members viewing Stamp Exhibition, with 'Sydpex '88' Opening Day' cancel (APM20450) size 32 x 22 mm (original 41 x 29 mm).

29. ☐ 30 July 1988: 'Sydpex '88' Bicentenary National Stamp Exhibition Sydney 30 July-7 August, with 'Sydpex '88 Logo' cancel (APM20461) size 28 x 32 mm (original 35 x 42 mm) same feature as above.
Is this Pictormark APM20469?

Front:
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(and partly why I think there might be more than 1,000 of each Club 200 PSE)
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Another postmarked Club 200 PSE, but with APM20451 and additional gold cachet (which I think is in the book, page 546)?

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Images of front and rear of the 200-Club envelope No. 03 (Wesley Cover Service)

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Extract from Collyer and Peck's Bicentennial Philately:
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Colleen, re:
40. ☐ 31 October 1988: Flying Scotsman 'Aus-Steam 1988' featuring this famous train in progress, with postmark APM20880 size 30 mm (original 40 mm) plus cachet.
(and hopefully getting back on your topic :oops: ), the cover I has a 36-38mm postmark:

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The "200-Club envelope No. 34" appears to be one of two different types:
Scan of rear provided for Stampboard reference:
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Scan of front (1) provided because of different postmark, "Flying Scotsman First Revenue Run in Australia" cachet, and use of a Flying Scotsman cinderella:
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Scan of front (2) provided because of different postmark, red "Melbourne Welcomes the Flying Scotsman" cachet, and use of a different cinderella:
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jimdotwalker wrote:Collyer and Peck only produced 200 copies (very bicentennial of them...), and with a soft cover, there are probably less than that in circulation.

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What a guy .... ! :P

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jimdotwalker wrote: Is this Pictormark APM20469?
Yes, you're right Jim. That's one of the reasons I'd like to borrow a full set and be able to check them off!

I'm in the process of checking out the rest of everything you've posted. Absolutely invaluable - thanks!

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[quote="jimdotwalker"]

Scan of front (1) provided because of different postmark, "Flying Scotsman First Revenue Run in Australia" cachet, and use of a Flying Scotsman cinderella:

[/quote="jimdotwalker"]


That's not a valid postmark Jim ... I know I put someone way off-side when I deleted all the "cinderella" ppms from Edition 1. I strongly suspect I will incur more wrath with the "riders" I'm putting on a lot of these in Edition 2.

I get really, really cross when people sully the good name of Australian pictorial postmarks with crap.

'Nuff. Don't get me started.

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Global Administrator wrote:Thus was born Australia's first Philatelic Bureau and the Wesley Cover Service. John Gower issued official First Day Covers for the PMG's Department and serviced its philatelic orders until his death in the late 1960's. At this point, the Department commenced to issue its own First Day Covers whilst the Wesley Cover Service continued in private hands.
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At one time he was PM of the tiny Larg's North PO and allowed all kinds of spivs access to the official cancels, knowingly or unknowingly. Hence many covers exist with genuine Larg's Bay cancels backdated many years.

How was it done? Some collectors "helped" the wheelchair bound Gower, and clearly had access at the time to the genuine Post Office handstamps - and the blank covers. Thus a "backdate" like this was sometimes possible.

You're absolutely right Glen. I feel about Ned Kelly and his ilk the way you feel about some people in the philatelic world. I'll never, ever understand why people lionise murderers, thieves and rapists! And I'm not for a moment suggesting anyone in the philatelic world is quite that bad, but the underlying morals are the same (basically, "dishonest").

In the penultimate paragraph in the Gower chapter in Australian First Day Covers (published by the Australian Cover Society 2010), Mick Moore says ... "[Gower] may not have initiated this systematic back-dating of covers. Even so, he certainly colluded in the practice and advertised it with enthusiasm. Perhaps he believed, in his declining years, that, as a sort of magical Postmaster, he really was producing authentic First Day Covers."

He was certainly a rogue.

Anyway, this isn't getting Edition 2 finished. Back to the keyboard.

Thanks for all the help people!

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Actually folks, looking even more closely at the debacle that is known as the Bicentennial 200 Club, I think I'm going to throw my hands in the air and say (in Edition 2) that there is no definitive listing available simply because of the plethora of postmarks that were obviously made available on the 41 "200-Club envelope" numbered covers!

It is a sham ... and a shame.

The two postmarks I pointed out for the postmarks of 17 April Steamfest are both on the same numbered cover (No.11). Heaven alone knows how many other postmarks appear on that numbered cover.

S-o-o-o-o-o, I'll revert to "41 numbered covers" ... with possibly "hundreds" of postmarks.

Bummer.

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My list of 200 Club PSEs (collated from Collyer and Peck)

1 Env 01 8 Feb 1988 14th Commonwealth Universities Congress, Perth
2 Env 02 8 Feb 1988 Girls' Friendly Society
3 Env 03 18 Feb 1988 Wesley Cover Service Commemoration
4 Env 04 22 Feb 1988 Australian Electoral Commission - Exercise Your Right to Vote
5 Env 05 29 Feb 1988 Centenary of Heidelberg School of Art
6 Env 06 14 Mar 1988 14th World Congress International Confederation of Free Trade Unions, Melbourne
7 Env 07 17 Mar 1988 15th Anniversary Surf Life Saving Association Helicopter Rescue Service, Sydney
8 Env 08 18 Mar 1988 Fosters Bicentennial Inter-Dominion, Harold Park Sydney
9 Env 09 21 Mar 1988 50th Anniversary Company of Master Mariners of Australia
10 Env 10 5 Apr 1988 75th Anniversary Royal Australian Naval College
11 Env 11 17 Apr 1988 Steamfest 88, WA (National Trust Heritage Week initiative)
12 Env 12 21 Apr 1988 Australian Optometrical Association Bicentennial Congress, Melbourne
13 Env 13 22 Apr 1988 City of Geraldton WA achieving city status
14 Env 14 2 May 1988 25th Anniversary of ESA Women International
15 Env 15 2 May 1988 Opening of Powerhouse Museum, Darling Harbour
16 Env 16 9 May 1988 Royal Australian College of Physicians 1938-88 Meeting Sydney
17 Env N/A 13 May 1988 Cromehurst Cottage Advanced Living Skills Programme (sponsored by ASDA)
18 Env 17 18 May 1988 Epilepsy 88 South Pacific Regional Conference, Brisbane
19 Env 18 23 May 1988 Fiabci 88, 39th Congress of Real Estate Federation, Melbourne
20 Env 19 21 Jun 1988 Royal North Shore Hospital Centenary, Sydney
21 Env 20 4 Jul 1988 Fairfield City Council Centenary of Local Government
22 Env 21 17 Jul 1988 18th International Society for Music Education International Conference, Canberra ACT
23 Env 22 18 Jul 1988 Australian Rostrum Council (formed 1938) "Speak up Australia 1988", Telecom Tower GPO Canberra
24 Env 23 30 Jul 1988 Sydpex 88
25 Env 23(b) 30 Jul 1988 Austamp 90, Canberra
26 Env 24 22 Aug 1988 26th Congress of the International Geographic Union, University of Sydney
27 Env 25 29 Aug 1988 24th International Congress of Psychology, Sydney
28 Env 26 4 Sep 1988 48th International Congress Federation Internationale Pharmaceutique, Sydney
29 Env 27 26 Sep 1988 World Council of Young Men's Service Clubs, Hobart Tasmania
30 Env 28 4 Oct 1988 International Chiropatic Congress Sydney
31 Env 33 4 Oct 1988 Australian Electoral Commission reissue of No 4 as 39c
32 Env 29 14 Nov 1988 ITU 9th Session
33 Env 30 20 Nov 1988 International Diabetic Federation Congress Sydney
34 Env 31 20 Oct 1988 15th Anniversary of Sydney Opera House
35 Env 32 22 Oct 1988 Muscular Dystrophy Week
36 Env 33 19 Sep 1988 Australian Jockey Club host to 20th Asian Racing Conference
37 Env 34 14 Oct 1988 Bicentennial Steam Train 3801, Thirlmere NSW
38 Env 34 31 Oct 1988 Flying Scotsman
39 Env 35 14 Apr 1988 200 Club Essen Stamp Fair AAT
40 Env 36 14 Apr 1988 200 Club Essen Stamp Fair
41 Env 37 1 Jun 1988 Finlandia 88

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Jim ... you absolute little bottler!!! I can't thank you enough - that's exactly what I was looking for!

In spite of primarily being a collector (Australian PictorMarks is merely me out of control), there are many gaps in my own collection, this set being one of them.

Your blood's worth bottling! :D

Could you please give me the correct details for the Collyer & Peck "Bicentennial Philately" so I can list it in the bibliography please? Ta.

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Bicentennial Philately by David Collyer and Richard Peck
Self Published Sydney 1989
Limited edition of 200 copies
Copyright, the authors
ISBN 0 949177 14 8
The authors would be very interested in hearing from persons with additions to include and may be contacted care of The Philatelic Association of NSW, PO Box A495 Sydney South 2000.
Please also note emphais on
My list of 200 Club PSEs
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This is my best guess of PSEs - I only have (200-Club envelope numbers) #01, #02, #03, #04, #05, #06, #07, #08, #09, #10, #18, #23, #31, #34 (x two types), and #37.
Gaps have been filled in by looking at the reproductions of the backs in Collyer and Peck.
However, this reference would still seem to be incomplete - hence I have not provided an envelope number for #17 in my list (Cromehurst Cottage), nor #31 in my list (reissue of Australian Electoral Office).
(as an aside - if the Australian Electoral Office needed to reissue their envelopes, I wonder how many were actually produced? An FOI request might confirm figures?)
It may also not include envelopes with duplicated numbers - if there are two distinct backs for 200-Club No. 34 (with map, and without), then perhaps there are other 200-club Envelope numbers with duplicated numbers?

My list may assist with the cross checking of a complete collection in an official album of 200-club Envelopes...

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Dear me. FOI?? This entry is but one of 6000+ entries from 1879. I think I'm better off leaving it to the experts who've already published something dedicated to the event (well, just one of many events in that "philatelic" year!).

No wonder it's taking me so long to get Edition 2 done ...

Sigh.

But thanks for the follow-up. Much appreciated.

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Colleen, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I was wondering if you might be able to throw some light on the postmark on this Cover
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I know it's English, but I was just wondering if there was a tie-in somewhere to the October "Flying Scotsman" cover???

I'm assuming the Doncaster in the postmark is referring to Doncaster in Yorkshire :roll:
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mcgooley wrote:Colleen, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I was wondering if you might be able to throw some light on the postmark on this Cover
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I know it's English, but I was just wondering if there was a tie-in somewhere to the October "Flying Scotsman" cover???

I'm assuming the Doncaster in the postmark is referring to Doncaster in Yorkshire :roll:

Certainly not an official Aussie postmark. Someone could have had it made up to coincide with the trip here ... the date's certainly right. I can't throw any light on it though - I've never seen it before!

It never ceases to amaze me what keeps turning up! Thanks for a look at it ... at least now I'll be able to say "Oh yes, I've seen one like that ..." :lol:

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The Flying Scotsman was built in Doncaster in 1923 and is now back in Yorkshire at the National Railway Museum in York.

Here's an extract from Wikipedia on its visit to Australia in 1988:

"In October 1988 the locomotive arrived in Australia to take part in that country's bicentenary celebrations and during the course of the next year it travelled more than 45,000 kilometres (28,000 mi) over Australian rails, including a transcontinental run from Sydney to Perth.

It was a central attraction in the Aus Steam '88 festival, double heading with NSWGR locomotive 3801, and running alongside Victorian Railways R class locomotives along the 300 km (190 mi)-long parallel broad and standard gauge tracks of the North East railway line, Victoria.

The Flying Scotsman stayed in Victoria for two months before heading back to New South Wales. On 8 August 1989 Flying Scotsman set another record, travelling 442 miles (711 km) from Parkes to Broken Hill non-stop, the longest such run by a steam locomotive ever recorded. A plaque on the engine records the event."
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Thanks for that nigelc. That clears up my other question regarding the cover.

The silk cachet is pretty, but what really floored me was the postmark.....

Back on track, Colleen....out of all those covers I mentioned to you, this was the *only* one which came close to your hunt! Sorry I couldn't be of more help :?
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I had a successful bid at the recent PHILAS Auction, and obtained what appear to be two complete sets of the 1988 200 Club PSE (one mint, one used).

There are 41 PSE in the set (including two Sydpex PSE, two Australian Electoral Commission PSE (one 37c, one 39c)). The noticeable "omission" is the 13 May 1988 "Cromehurst Cottage Advanced Living Skills Programme (sponsored by ASDA)" - which appears to now be confirmed as a "privately overprinted" PSE, and not part to the 200 club envelopes.

I'll progressively scan the mint, used, and reverse of each Club 200 PSE. This will take a while. Some Club 200 PSE have "preprinted" cachets on the mint PSE.

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200-Club envelope No. 01
8 Feb 1988
14th Commonwealth Universities Congress 1988, Perth 7-12 February 1988
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Outstanding buy! What a valuable resource. Well done you!

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Would have told you about the PHILAS listing, but I might have had to bid against you (and would have missed out on other goodies in the lot, like an inverted Expo Holograph cachet, and an album of "tall ships" cancellations) :lol:

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200-Club envelope No. 02
8 Feb 1988
Girls' Friendly Society Centenary WA 1888-1988
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200-Club envelope No. 03
18 Feb 1988
Covers of J.M. Gower, Wesley Cover Service
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200-Club envelope No. 04
22 Feb 1988
Exercise Your Right to Vote / Australian Electoral Commission
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200-Club envelope No. 05
29 Feb 1988 (a Leap Year!)
Centenary of the Heidelberg School of Art
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200-Club envelope No. 06
14 Mar 1988
International Confederation of Free Trade Unions (ICFTU) 14th World Congress Australia 1988
Mint:
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Used (Pictormark APM19681 (37mm x 45mm):
(Note: Pictormarks Edition 2 refers to APM19682 (30 x 36mm) - this is not the size of the cover in my possession (which has the normal 200 Club reverse))
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200-Club envelope No. 07
17 Mar 1988
15th Anniversary of the Surf Life Saving Association of Australia (SLSA) Helicopter Rescue Service serving the community of Sydney 1973-1988
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Used (Pictormark APM19710, size 49 mm x 40mm):
(From Pictormarks Edition 2 (2013) "Little is known about the postmark as it was not advertised in a Stamp Bulletin. There is actually some doubt that it qualifies as a postmark at all as it doesn't bear a location (either suburb or state) or a postcode. Presumably an exception was made given it was to be considered an item for the 'Club 200' ").
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200-Club envelope No. 08
18 Mar 1988
Harold Park Paceway, Sydney 4-18th March 1988 (The Foster's Bicentennial Inter-Dominion)
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200-Club envelope No. 09
21 Mar 1988
50th Anniversary of the Company of Master Mariners of Australia 1938-1988
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Used (Pictormark APM15151 - smaller "Club 200" size 38 x32 (Williamstown VIC 3016 / Historic Seaport) different dateline):
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In relation to your "Harold Park" postmark APM19721, from looking at my example, I think it was printed on by the Australian Philatelic Bureau, as it looks perfect in everyway. Comparing that to my examples of "Harold Park" postmark APM 19720, (including one registered from Glebe), I believe that one was a hand cancel from Glebe Post Office itself.
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200-Club envelope No. 10
5 Apr 1988
75th Anniversary of the Royal Australian Naval College
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200-Club envelope No. 11
17 Apr 1988
Steamfest '88
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200-Club envelope No. 12
21 Apr 1988
Australian Optometrical Association Bicentennial Conference and International Optometric and Optical League Meeting - April 1988
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200-Club envelope No. 13
22 Apr 1988
City of Geraldton '88 (Geraldton Proudly Celebrating City Status)
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Used (Pictormark APM16771 (Geraldton Wax, Geraldton WA 6530) different dateline to APM16770 used only with "Club 200"):
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200-Club envelope No. 14
2 May 1988
25th Anniversary of Epsilon Sigma Alpha (E.S.A.) Women International 1988
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200-Club envelope No. 15
2 May 1988
Powerhouse Museum
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200-Club envelope No. 16
9 May 1988
1938-1988 The Royal Australasian College of Physicians Golden Jubilee Meeting Sydney May 8-13 1988
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200-Club envelope No. 17
18 May 1988
Epilepsy '88 Southern Pacific Regional Conference Brisbane 1988
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200-Club envelope No. 18
23 May 1988
FIABCI '88 39th Congress of the International Real Estate Federation 22-27 May 1988 Melbourne 1988
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200-Club envelope No. 19
21 Jun 1988
The Royal North Shore Hospital 1988 / "A Century of Caring" / North Shore Cottage Hospital 1888
Mint:
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Used (Pictormark APM20360 - Royal North Shore Hospital NSW 2065):
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