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PNG 1959 1/7d Registered Envelope RE4

As demand for the Registered Letter RE 4 - issued 1. September 1959 - was very low it was withdrawn on 31 October 1961.
Only 2450 pieces were sold.

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Looking at auctions you find them offered mostly in mint condition.

I would like to draw a list of PNG Registered Letters RE4 that were properly used.

Please add pictures of any known examples.
Or you may contact me via: WolfgangHoelzl[at]gmx.de

I will start with two RE4s from my collection:
number 1:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 50976
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RE4 without additional franking are hardly encountered.
number 2:
Madang R-Nr. 16036
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I have recently started a similar thread on PNG 1953 1/0½d Registered Envelope RE3
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number 3:
Bulolo R-Nr. 9777

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USED RE4 are indeed scarce Wolfgang!

The cover above is to The Rev'd A. H. Voyce who probably generated more philatelic mail than any other person connected with PNG!

http://www.auspostalhistory.com/articles/69.shtml

Even being TO Voyce I'd have to say that looks like legit use!
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number 4:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 58321
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As I am collecting information on RE4s already for several years there should be at least 70 of these envelopes cancelled on 1. September 1959 - day of issue - in Port Moresby.
Registration numbers reaching from 40618 to 40688.

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Wanting to count properly used ones, I think we should not count the FDCs, that did not leave the place of posting and probably never were in the mail.
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number 5:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 8933
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number 6:
Boroko R-Nr. 3780
Another example (from the prolific philatelic correspondence of Mr. B. Sipols)

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This cover is ex Ray Kelly and was in his Australian Territories postal stationery exhibit.
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Thanks mickeyfinn,
may I beg you to tell the year of usage - maybe 30.JE.1961?
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Sorry that I missed the date from my original post.

Yes, the date of posting is 30·JE·61
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Hello Wolfgang.

Very interesting topic.

I guess these PNG Registered letters are difficult to locate.
Are they usually found through auction houses?

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AMark wrote: I guess these PNG Registered letters are difficult to locate.
Are they usually found through auction houses?
Hello AMark,
yes these RE4s are sold by auction houses.
With this thread I hope to get collectors looking at stampboards to show us those RE4s hidden in their collections.
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number 7:
Goroka R-Nr. 2754

... sadly damaged, but commercially used.
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What do the figures in manuscript on some of the RE4 mean?
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Wolfgang or Mickyfinn - can either of you email me a scan of a good example as high as rez as possible - I'll add it to a 'Stamp News' Column if I can source one and link to this thread. :)
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Motacilla wrote:What do the figures in manuscript on some of the RE4 mean?
These numbers show the page and line of the booklet in the post office where the registered article is counted.
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Global Administrator wrote:Wolfgang or Mickyfinn - can either of you email me a scan of a good example as high as rez as possible - I'll add it to a 'Stamp News' Column if I can source one and link to this thread. :)
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Thanks Wolfgang .. I will use this. :)

What is your total count so far of POSTALLY used copies?

And how long have you been keeping a tally?
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I am counting for about ten years.
Till today 31 commercially used ones.
But only four of them are solo use.
And there should be at least 70 FDCs looking at the registration numbers.
I counted 13 FDCs.
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Not being a Lakatoi-head, but someone who reads a lot of threads to learn something and file away the info as "something to look out for in junk boxes", I was wondering,

Is there a particular reason this postal stationery had little demand? Just not a rate or service that saw a lot of use? Although registered mail is used often enough, and the covers were obviously uprate-able.
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It seems people did not like these envelopes - maybe because there was an extra cost of 1 Penny. They were sold for 1/8d.
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Wolfgang wrote:It seems people did not like these envelopes - maybe because there was an extra cost of 1 Penny.
Was PNG colonised by Scots? :lol:
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number 8:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 7354
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4/5d post to UK? Must be totally philatelic use Wolfgang?
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Yes, this is philatelic.
Allan Jennings was a collector of NG postal history.
But the rate - 4/3d - is OK.
2/3d postage to Europe + 2/- for registration.
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number 9:
Bulolo R-Nr. 9772
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2/- sh postage to USA + 2/-sh for registration.
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number 10:
Lae R-Nr. 30757
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number 11:
Lae R-Nr. 29822
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Wolfgang wrote:I am counting for about ten years.

Till today 31 commercially used ones.

But only four of them are solo use.

And there should be at least 70 FDCs looking at the registration numbers.
I counted 13.
So is this count still correct Wolfgang?
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GlenStephens wrote: So is this count still correct Wolfgang?
No others seen in the meantime.
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Wolfgang wrote:number 11:
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Wolfgang you have said this was 2/- post to USA and 2/- for Reg'd = the 4/- on this.

If the 1/7d Envelope already covered Regd and local post why was it 2/-?
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RE 4 date of issue: 1 September 1959
at that time
postage inland 4d, registration 1/3sh.

On 1st of December 1959 postage was increased:
postage inland 5d, registration 2/-sh.
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Got it - makes sense now!
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Mentioned this thread in my next "Stamp News" and "Philatelic Exporter" column - :)

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Wolfgang wrote:It seems people did not like these envelopes - maybe because there was an extra cost of 1 Penny. They were sold for 1/8d.
Isn't that fairly standard for postal stationery though -- i.e. there's a charge for the envelope itself as a piece of stationery that you would otherwise have to buy separately, in addition to the value of the impressed stamp?
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I am not sure about the reason why this envelope was only sold in such a small quantity.
It was only a thought about the additional penny.
In Germany all postal stationery was sold at that time with no additional charge.
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Wolfgang wrote:I am not sure about the reason why this envelope was only sold in such a small quantity.
It was only a thought about the additional penny.
In Germany all postal stationery was sold at that time with no additional charge.
The UK situation is different - inland-rate postal stationery was seldom sold at the stamp face value, in large part originally because stationers objected to that idea! (As I recall, foreign rate stationery was sold at face value due to a UPU requirement.) I suspect that this varies country by country and the pattern isn't clear-cut, although PNG might have followed the UK lead.

Still, an extra 1d on an item with a 1s 7d face value, and which presumably was made of stout reinforced paper, doesn't sound unreasonable. Surely a significant factor in its rarity is the fact that it only had a three month validity period at the rate for which it was printed? When was the replacement issued? If it was shortly after the rate changed, then perhaps the old stock was withdrawn?
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After withdrawal on 31. October 1961 no new registered envelopes were issued.
As an alternative people were told to use prestamped envelopes with additional franking.
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number 12:
Samarai R-Nr. 14077
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It is interesting to see the usage for unusual things - keys only - because of the solid envelope.

Postage up to 4 ounces 1/2
Registration fee 2/-
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number 13:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 92
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The following information comes from Rod Perry - thanks!

number 14:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 58322
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number 15:
Rabaul R-Nr. 30616
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Although a FDC it has an additional 3d-franking for airmail to Australia.
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number 16:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 45048
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Last day of 1/7 d - postage surface to British Empire, one of the four known RE4s solo use.
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number 17:
Lae R-Nr. 6335
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number 18:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 40628
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One more FDC with an additional 3d-franking for airmail to Australia.
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Wolfgang wrote: .... should you know or own any FDC please show us the picture!
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number 19:
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Wolfgang wrote: .... should you know or own any FDC please show us the picture!
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As I do not want to count FDCs, that did not leave the place of posting and probably never were in the mail, this is number 19
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number 20:
Wau R-Nr. 2430
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number 21:
KikoriR-Nr. 2071
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no doubt - commercially used!
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At our annual gathering, some days ago, I could see another RE4 properly used without additional franking.
One of the four known examples till today!

number 22:
Port Moresby R-Nr. 44243
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Papua New Guinea stamps and postal history: www.i-ng.org/en
I am always interested in buying commercial mail from PNG.
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number 23:
Bulolo R-Nr. 9778
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Papua New Guinea stamps and postal history: www.i-ng.org/en
I am always interested in buying commercial mail from PNG.
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