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Victoria Half Lengths Rule at APS Stamp Show Columbus August 11-14th 2011 - John Barwis wins the top award at the APS Stamp Show with his display The Half-Lengths of Victoria, 1850-59 - what an amazing achievement considering what his display went up against - well done John.

The shout of Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi was heard loudly at the hotel bar !!!
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Michael,

Any photos of the display ?

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DJM wrote:Michael,

Any photos of the display ?

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I really wanted to ask that question, but still had my (chicken-) feathers on :oops:
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Photos would not do it justice, see it at Australia 2013 I hope
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Michael is spot on with this.

Photo's of exhibits rarely come out as good as looking at the real thing due to reflections off the protective perspex frame sheet covers and off the mylar/polythene page covers themselves.

Add to that focusing errors, etc. and you have more often than not, a poor rendition of the exhibit.
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SENSATIONAL to read of an Ozzie subject doing so well in the USA against a real International field. :mrgreen:

Mike's mention inspired me to list up John Barwis's incredible book for sale here.

I've had a carton of these here for months on my floor, so without this thread I would have forgotten to sell them! I'll review it next month in "Stamp News".

The book comes in its own special box AND has a CD ROM of the Exhibit. And clearly much if not all the exhibit is in this 500 page book.

More details here for anyone who wants the ultimate Coffee Table book on stamps! AND at a discount price.

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This sounds like a great exhibit.

BUT SERIOUSLY..... are you claiming that NO photographs is better than having photographs of an exhibition when you are trying to describe it? :shock:
It's good to shoot the breeze with like-minded people.

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Global Administrator wrote:SENSATIONAL to read of an Ozzie doing so well in the USA against a real International field.
John Barwis lives in Michigan and also has an outstanding
exhibit of Philadelphia postal history. This exhibit was also
competing for the Champion of Champions !

The Champion of Champions competion was among the Grand
Award winners from 34 APS (and RPSC) shows. The heavy
pre-race favorite was Bill Gross' exhibit of US 1847s, so John's
award is a real accomplishment. Bill finished in a 33 way tie
for second place.

A PDF version of the show program can be found at
http://www.stamps.org/StampShow/Program.pdf
The list of exhibits begins on page 71, and the list of entrants
in the Champion of Champions competition starts on page 79.

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Global Administrator wrote:SENSATIONAL to read of an Ozzie doing so well in the USA against a real International field. :mrgreen:

Mike's mention inspired me to list up John Barwis's incredible book for sale here.
Shameless plug: my company did all the design and production work on John's book. The colour images, which we spent many many hours getting exactly right, are the most realistic I've ever seen. It's a book we're really proud of.

Congratulations to John -- it's a prize he thoroughly deserves.

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ScotsmanAbroad wrote:This sounds like a great exhibit.

BUT SERIOUSLY..... are you claiming that NO photographs is better than having photographs of an exhibition when you are trying to describe it? :shock:
No, in fact you'll see plenty of exhibit photos through the various threads on Stampboards. It's simply that photos will always be slightly distorted because of the things I mentioned above.

In any case, photos never do an exhibit justice.
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Lakatoi 4 wrote:
ScotsmanAbroad wrote:In any case, photos never do an exhibit justice.
The photos in John's book are as lifelike as we could make them. He was really really careful to get the shades just right. I can't remember any project that involved so much colour tweaking. I think they do the exhibit justice!

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Greg .. well all credit to your company -- flipping through the book, the quite superb colour match of the stamp and covers really took my eye.

It is very clear great attention to detail was taken. :idea:

Did he have you scan the stamps direct, or submit them via scans to you?

Where catalogue shades are highlighted, such as page below for the 1d Victoria Half Length stamps, your colour match is a superb guide to those sorting them.

The superb Geoff Kellow "Stamps Of Victoria" book is of course in monocolour, so no help with shades.
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GlenStephens wrote:Greg .. well all credit to your company -- flipping through the book, the quite superb colour match of the stamp and covers really took my eye.

It is very clear great attention to detail was taken. :idea:

Did he have you scan the stamps direct, or submit them via scans to you?

Where catalogue shades are highlighted, such as page below for the 1d Victoria Half Length stamps, your colour match is a superb guide to those sorting them.

The superb Geoff Kellow "Stamps Of Victoria" book is of course in monocolour, so no help with shades.
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Thanks!

John arranged for the original scans, and we tweaked the colours from the scans. John couldn't bring the stamps across the border (for security and other reasons), so we had to operate remotely, using scans and, in some cases, even verbal descriptions ("can you make it just a hint less red?" sort of thing).

We knew the printed books would match the output from our printer, which we were colour-calibrating frequently. So we'd send printouts to John to check against the actual stamps.

Over and over and over, until the printout of each image exactly matched the actual stamp.

I wasn't involved in all the colour-matching work, but I think I've described it accurately. I did get asked an awful lot about philatelic terminology and such. John and Jack Steiner, our designer on the project (who is also a stamp collector), were extremely meticulous.

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A few personal comments

I was one of the fortunate few stampboarders who attended the APS Stampshow in Columbus, Ohio. The Half-Lengths exhibit by John Barwis is, like his book on the subject, a work of genius. It was a very well deserved win. In the Champion of Champions competition which John won there were two world class U.S. 1847 exhibits, one by Gordon Eubanks, the other by Bill Gross.

As has been correctly reported the Bill Gross exhibit was absolutely outstanding and included the largest recorded blocks of each value, the Via Panama cover (9 copies (almost) of the 10c on cover to Mexico), the Rush cover (10c strip of six, largest multiple on cover, Retaliatory rate cover to Paris - realized U.S.$1,200,000 + 15%, May 2006, up from U.S.$110 in March 1910!), covers bearing strips of four of the 10c to and from California, etc., etc., practically every conceivable piece of importance from the U.S. 1847 issue.

However, the Half-Lengths exhibit is a better subject as would have been any of these subjects:

1) U.S. 1851-57 issue
2) Great Britain 1840-41 Imperforate Line Engraved
3) Colony of Canada Pence Issues
4) Cape of Good Hope Triangulars
5) Primitives of Mauritius
6) Classics of France
7) Prussia
8) Sicily Bomba Heads
9) New South Wales Sydney Views
10) Western Australia

There are, of course, many more examples but these were the ones which came to mind quickly and naturally readers will see my prejudice/favoritism shining through. The point that I am making here is that U.S. 1847's become 'ho hum' very quickly and very expensive once you surpass single and double 5c and 10c usages.

Then, there is the question of research, personal or otherwise.

Bill Gross has certainly advanced the cause of the U.S. 1847's but much of this has been extrapolated from the work of Wade Saadi (5c shades) and the late Jerome Wagshall and Frank Mandel (5c plating).

John Barwis has exceeded J.R.W. Purves (something I thought I would never say or write) in respect of the 1d first printing plating and has performed cover and shade censuses himself, rather than relying on the work of others.

In the exhibits themselves, John Barwis had reconstructions of 23 out of the 26 printings and he explained why the remaining three could not be made. Bill Gross, on the other hand, conceded that the 10c could be plated but did not plate each example in the exhibit saying on the title page that "positions are mentioned only when they are germane to the exhibit's development."

Its a personal opinion but I like to see stamps which can be plated actually plated.

As far as material rarity itself goes, John Barwis had 85 items blue-bordered in the exhibit of which less than ten examples were known. On the other hand Bill Gross did not highlight any items in his exhibit.

Please note, these are only personal observations and not criticisms in any way.

I have met both these very fine gentlemen for the first time this year, Bill Gross at the Lichtenstein dinner at The Collectors Club in New York, where he certainly got a kick out of being told that I had purchased three of his Cape of Good Hope items so that they "went to a good home." I met John Barwis in Columbus, Ohio at the Awards Banquet last Saturday and a group of us ended up at the bar outside sipping champagne or equivalent out of his silver Champion of Champions bowl.

Two more unusual points to mention.

In last year's Open Competition at the APS Stampshow in Richmond, Virginia, the Half-Lengths exhibit did, in fact, lose to another exhibit for the Grand Award, "Carrier Service in the Major Cities 1842-1863," by Larry Lyons, only to beat Larry when both exhibits ran head to head again in Columbus.

I said I attended the Awards Banquet and witnessed a most unusual event.

When the announcement was made regarding the Champion of Champions winner, a gentleman whom I know by acquaintance as a U.S. judge, a competitor regarding South African stamps, an officer in the AAPE (American Association of Philatelic Exhibitors), and as someone with whom I do not always agree on philatelic matters, leapt to his feet, outstretched clenched fist in the air whilst yelling "Yes" in pleasure with the unexpected result. He was sitting at a table near mine and I immediately went over to him and said "You guys, referring to the judges, finally got one right."

Enough said, not to offend anyone.

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One last point

I was told by a philatelic literature collector and former colleague of mine that John Barwis' book was now unobtainable in the U.S., he regretted that he had not picked one up.

I was lucky, I got mine last year at Richmond.

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Richard,

I think what happened is that the judges properly used the FIP points system which favours Treatment & Research over Rarity.

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David

I am not a judge but at the show I did attend the CANEJ judging seminars at the show (they will allow anyone to attend) and it was universally agreed (even by those giving the seminars) what I have always thought to be the case, in that the judges look at an exhibit, determine the medal level, and then shoehorn the points score to make it fit.

As you know, this does not happen in FIP judging, or so I have been universally told, however, I have always had my suspicions. One of the seminar presenters came out flatly and said "At the FIP level they are much more used to dealing with points, especially in the case of thematics."

However, in my opinion, whether you give a greater weight to Rarity over Treatment and Research, or vice versa, you would come to the same conclusion.

There was another opinion expressed, that being that the Half-Lengths exhibit split the 1847 vote, since there were two competitive exhibits in that field. Additionally, at the show, there was a Court of Honor (non-competitive) exhibit by the late Harvey Mirsky, also of the 1847's, which made the exhibition, as a whole, as correctly pointed out by Scott Trepel in his Tiffany dinner speech, as an assemblage of 1847's not likely to seen again under one roof. I did a count of the covers on display in the three exhibits, in some 26 frames, at 696 covers!

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Richard,

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that the judges look at an exhibit, determine the medal level, and then shoehorn the points score to make it fit

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However, in my opinion, whether you give a greater weight to Rarity over Treatment and Research, or vice versa, you would come to the same conclusion.
no, these are completely wrong, what I have seen is that the FIP judges allocate the points firstly, then sometimes adjust them to fit the medal level. Personally I can nothing wrong with that as the initial awards have to be balanced out after all of the teams allocated entries have been concluded and some adjustments have to be made.

Personally I believe that the points allocation for Traditional needs to be tweaked and more points for rarity and less for research which should only be allocated for new personal research instead of the system which is used now which is that the entry is given high points for research if he has used the available literature. I also believe that the points allocation for Treatment also be lowered as it is only the opinion of the judges who consider if a different method of Treatment should have been used which usually is unknown to anyone except a collector of that specific area and as most entries are not judged by specialists of that particular issue then it is unfair to the entrants,

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David

I do not understand why you compared my two quotes. The first one was from one of the judges conducting the CANEJ seminar and so I simply took the individual judge at his word. The same judge did also say that at the FIP level judges were more accustomed to using the points system.

My second quote is my personal opinion, and I feel that having 85 items highlighted in an exhibit that exist in numbers of less than ten would easily qualify for the highest marks for rarity, should that view predominate. Maybe we are talking at cross-purposes but I stand by what I wrote. I wholeheartedly support the decision of the Columbus judges. The best exhibit won the prize in my opinion.

Regarding your opinion of original research compared to examining all the available literature (that surely is "search," rather than "research"), then I fully agree with you.

Having attended these CANEJ judging seminars, some a number of times, I have to confess, I have always been a little unsure/unweary of the term "treatment," sometimes saying "I hope my stamps are not sick therefore they do not need "treatment."

Similarly the obsession with the word "story" (as we have here in America) in exhibiting, also produces a response from me, as in, "if I want a story I will read a book."

These last two paragraphs of mine are not meant to offend or annoy anyone but I will accept the criticism of flippancy before it is offered.

Remember, we are not too far removed from the days in which judges referred to "gold medal countries" and "non gold medal countries" and a time when someone like Norman Hubbard would say:

"I cannot possibly exhibit again since they (the judges or exhibition organizers) now insist on a title page and I simply refuse to do one, they should know what they are looking at and don't need to be told."

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Speaking as (only) a US judge, judging at the national level
and judging at the international level are two very different
animals. In the US, at the present time, points are used ONLY
in Youth exhibits. In the recent past they were also used for
Thematics, Single Frame, etc. It was not uncommon to first
assign a medal level and then back fill the points.

Current (US) judging practice is to fill out a UEEF (Uniform
Exhibit Evaluation Form) for every exhibit, regardless of
classification. The categories evaluated are:

Title and Treatment
Treatment - 20%
Importance - 10%

Knowledge, Study and Research
Philatelic/General Knowledge - 25%
Personal Study and Research - 10%

Rarity and Condition
Rarity - 20%
Condition - 10%

Presentation - 5%

Many judges work the form from top to bottom. I prefer a
bottom-up approach. First, how neat is the overall appearance?
(Presentation) Then, in order, try to answer these questions -

What do you have? (Rarity etc.)
What do you know about it? (Knowledge etc.)
How well do you tell the story? (Treatment etc.)

(As you can see, I tend to downplay importance.)

I would also agree with the previous comments about Rarity
and Research. The current system does not adequately reward
rarity. When I look at exhibits without my judge's hat on, I
like to see rarity and don't like to read stories. (Of course my
opinions just possibly may be influenced by some of my own
experiences in exhibiting.)

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Richard,

I did not compare, I was just commenting on both of the quotes,

The FIP points allocations were promulgated in the early 1990's and a lot has changed since then, PC's, WWW, Google, Microsoft Word, fancy fonts, etc. and the allocations needs to be changed however I can't see the happening in the short term.

It doesn't matter if the entry has 100 great rarities, it is only going to get the maximum points for Rarity which is much lower then the points for Treatment or Knowledge.

As I said, the Victoria entry would have got almost if not top marks for Rarity, Knowledge & Presentation and possibly Treatment.

I do not consider less than 10 known to be classified as a great rarity, if it is a basic stamp with catalogue listing then I will agree however if it is a variation then to me a lower number would classify as great rarity.

Today it makes no difference what the entry is, US, GB, France or even Afghanistan or Nepal each can achieve full points for importance as long as it is the importance issue/s of that particular country,

The word " story " when it is mentioned by judges to me means that the judge is obsessed with Treatment and most probably knows " two hoots " about the entry,

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Greg Ioannou wrote:
Lakatoi 4 wrote:
ScotsmanAbroad wrote:In any case, photos never do an exhibit justice.
The photos in John's book are as lifelike as we could make them. He was really really careful to get the shades just right. I can't remember any project that involved so much colour tweaking. I think they do the exhibit justice!

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Greg, I was talking about photos taken while walking around the exhibits at a stamp show with a digital or film camera not doing justice to an exhibit. The images in the book look superb.
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capetriangle wrote:One last point

I was told by a philatelic literature collector and former colleague of mine that John Barwis' book was now unobtainable in the U.S., he regretted that he had not picked one up.

I was lucky, I got mine last year at Richmond.

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That might be the case here too by now Richard.

I bought a carton last year and totally forgot about them until I saw Michael's mention above of the award for the stamp. All but 2 now sold.

The Royal tend to produce about the right number of such things, due to cost of making them, as to have unsolds is a huge liability.

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David

I think we are in basic agreement regarding the merits of John's wonderful win at Columbus.

I am not sure I agree with you about the rarity numbers but, of course, I do respect your opinion.

One thing I sincerely hope will occur is that John will exhibit internationally before Melbourne in 2013 in order to satisfy the five frame requirement, so that you guys will see the exhibit in its full eight frame glory.

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John,

define the difference between

RARITY & GREAT RARITY,

Does an item become a greater rarity if it comes from a popular collecting area,

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David

I assume your last post was directed towards me, despite the "John" salutation.

I think that the difference between RARITY & GREAT RARITY is a very tough distinction.

After all, if only ten items are known of an anything and there are only two collectors of whatever it is, then there will always be eight unlucky anythings out there searching for a home.

On the other hand, even with 96 or so Inverted Jenny's around, there is always someone out there searching for one.

In other words, in my opinion, demand is far more important than the supply side of the equation which determines price.

Personally I prefer to give the absolute numbers involved, i.e. "one of five known/recorded."

Even as I write this, I feel guilty of waffling, but it is the best answer I can come up with.

Yes, I know Churchill said "A preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with."

Sorry, but this is the best I can do.

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Richard,

yes, it was for you,

I had better reword my question,

define the difference between

RARITY & GREAT RARITY in judging,


I think your definition has more to do with the commercial aspect of stamp collecting. The value of an item should not be the prerequisite of evaluating rarity when judging.

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David

As far as definitions are concerned the previous answer is about as far as I can go.

Its almost like the case of a well known U.S. Supreme Court Justice who said (paraphrasing) "I cannot give you a definition of pornography but I can tell it when I see it."

As far as "the commercial aspect of stamp collecting" is concerned I believe I am one of the least commercial people involved with the hobby. I am much more of a traditionalist/purist, rather than someone involved in commerce.

I wholeheartedly agree with you the that the value of an item should not be the prerequisite in evaluating rarity when judging.

It is that, in addition to the wonderful treatment, display of philatelic knowledge and research, which makes John Barwis' Half-Length exhibit so delightful.

After all, the Rush cover, one item, mentioned in an earlier post, bought by Bill Gross in 2006 for U.S.$1,380,000 exceeds the value of the entire John Barwis exhibit.

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Richard,

I have been thinking about your comment re the Victoria splitting the 1847's.

There is most probably more in this than I 1st. envisaged as the final outcome is the winner of the total votes for all of the entries that were put up for the prize.

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Strangely, and this is not to be contrary, but I had been moving away from that opinion as Bill Gross certainly had the major 1847 pieces. I even overheard some opinions that some observers even liked the late Harvey Mirsky's exhibit (the non competitive one) the most since it had a novel approach.

Years ago, here in the U.S., there was a very affluent tele-evangelist called Gene Scott who eventually won a couple of the Champion of Champions competitions with several different exhibits. He also, famously, when one of his exhibits received a vermeil, rather than the expected gold, sent the medal back to the judges with a rather tersely worded letter.

Charles Lathrop Pack, arguably the first great student of Victoria and author of the first book, also a man of considerable wealth, became incensed after having won a competition when he heard himself criticized as "it was only a money exhibit," a year later won the same competition with material taken from his company's office wastepaper basket at zero cost.

Sometimes I think it is important to remember this is only a hobby and competing is only a bit of fun.

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After all, the Rush cover, one item, mentioned in an earlier post, bought by Bill Gross in 2006 for U.S.$1,380,000 exceeds the value of the entire John Barwis exhibit.

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Richard an awful lot of HL pieces and covers are 5 figures - plus plus plus.

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capetriangle wrote: Charles Lathrop Pack, arguably the first great student of Victoria and author of the first book, also a man of considerable wealth, became incensed after having won a competition when he heard himself criticized as "it was only a money exhibit," a year later won the same competition with material taken from his company's office wastepaper basket at zero cost.
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That must have been an incredible waste paper basket :!:

Do you have any links to, or photos of that exhibit :?:
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Glen

I agree five figures in U.S.$ for a high level item is reasonably common but, I think, seven figures, is still in the stratosphere.

The Rush cover sold in the Henry C. Gibson collection sale by Philip Ward in June 1944 for U.S.$4,000. Using the Internet to calculate the future value of that money comes up with $45,833 in 2006. It was also in a H. R. Harmer, Inc. sale in May 1971 but I do not have the price realized.
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Now the Rush cover, above (miraculously I managed to center the photo), realized U.S.$1,380,000 in May 2006 beating inflation by a factor of 30. How was that worked out?

Google "cpi calculator," go to the fifth one down, The Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, click on "Related Links" - "What is a Dollar Worth? Calculator" and then enter the numbers in the table at the top-right of the screen. It works from 1913 to date.

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The Charles Lathrop Pack story came out of a reasonably reliable general book on stamp collecting. I cannot remember the reference, for me it was the story which was so fascinating but, as it was referring to a time pre-1920's, I am convinced that there are no photos available for the exhibit. I do believe it involved mail from Latin America to the U.S.

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I remember reading that story about Pack, and I'm pretty sure I remember which book it was in. I'll look for it when I get home.

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The APF here started a exhibition category at one time called "Frugal Philately".

David Benson or GJ50 might recall the exact detail, but as I recall it was meant to cater for things like the Pack exhibit mentioned above.

Interesting and well written-up collections of things of little or no monetary value.

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http://www.apf.org.au/frugal.htm

Looks like they still have this class - max value $1000 per exhibit or you LOSE points!

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Frugal Philately

Experimental Guidelines for Frugal Philately

"Frugal Philately Class" is a new exhibition class which concentrates on the criteria of treatment, importance, knowledge, research and condition. There are limiting criteria with respect to the value of items included.

The purpose is to provide an opportunity for collectors to display interesting items and enhance their philatelic skills rather than blunt their cheque books. The availability of such a class will encourage those who are put off exhibiting by the alleged high cost of items needed to compete in the normal classes. It will be purely a national class.

The chances of attaining international recognition should be considered remote. Because of the limiting nature of the rules, it is proposed that certificates rather than medals be awarded, but that they be based on the same points spread as other national classes.

Entry Size

Restricted to three to five frames (less would be unrepresentative of the subject: More would suggest an ability to enter a normal class.)

Entry Class

No restriction as to philatelic class, except for Youth and Literature.

Special Conditions

The wholesale value of the exhibit should not exceed $1,000 (equal to $200 per frame or $12.50 per sheet). If the wholesale value exceeds $1,000 in total, then penalties will apply, as shown under the sub-heading "Reconciliation" below.


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I have finally found a class where I might be able to exhibit :lol: :lol: :lol:
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capetriangle wrote:Tony

The Charles Lathrop Pack story came out of a reasonably reliable general book on stamp collecting. I cannot remember the reference, for me it was the story which was so fascinating but, as it was referring to a time pre-1920's, I am convinced that there are no photos available for the exhibit. I do believe it involved mail from Latin America to the U.S.

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One of the recent USA magazines had a piece on Pack .. who was a VERY wealthy man.

I have given it away to a colleague but anyway the summary of it was he overheard someone sniffing - "Well of course Pack got Large Gold - with his money how could he miss?"

So Pack chose some near worthless and unstudied stamp - I recall it was a letter rate Definitive from Haiti or somewhere totally obscure, and proceed to form an exhibit around that. Which also won high medals! :lol: 8)

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ozstamps wrote:So Pack chose some near worthless and unstudied stamp - I recall it was a letter rate Definitive from Haiti or somewhere totally obscure, and proceed to form an exhibit around that. Which also won high medals! :lol: 8)
It was the Brazil 1882-85 100 Reis stamp.
... So he assembled a vast collection of a stamp then worth only
pennies. He discovered and described the stamp's countless
varieties, he plated it, and found numerous unusual uses on
cover. When the new collection appeared on the show circuit,
it, too, won gold medals - thus proving that anyone could
compete for his awards!

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Jay .. yes thanks - that was it - Brazil. :)

Funny story.

Be like getting a Large Gold for this below - a TON of specialist material in this guy trust me, and 16 frames would be a cinch, but would it win Large Golds? :)

Re-cuts, re-entries, retouches, and plates exist by the boxload, and papers and gums, but man what a boring exhibit it would be!

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Global Administrator wrote:Be like getting a Large Gold for this below - a TON of specialist material in this guy trust me, and 16 frames would be a cinch, but would it win Large Golds? :)

Re-cuts, re-entries, retouches, and plates exist by the boxload, and papers and gums, but man what a boring exhibit it would be!

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No more boring than your average exhibit of GB line engraved ... maybe I'm just getting jaded, but my attitude when I see yet another of these now is basically "oh, not again ...". And I say that as a mostly-GB collector!

Certainly you can do something a bit different if you work at it, but the basic reasons for considering "classic" exhibits more philatelically important seem to be psychological: it's simply that the material is older and more expensive. There's an equal amount of philatelic interest and rarity to be found in many more modern definitive series, to say nothing of their postal history.

A balanced approach would treat both on their merits. Which is why I'm sceptical of the suggestions made upthread that more marks should be given for rarity per se -- it sounds like a step back to the days of "gold medal countries". Go too far down that route and there becomes no point in even entering unless you have the kind of material that is beyond the reach of mere impoverished millionaires.

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My congratulations to John Barwis for a well deserved award, and for raising the profile of one of the world's great classic stamp series.

Reading this thread brought on a nostalgia surge.

What a wonderful decade from 1973 it was to be a Half-length collector. And one didn't have to be rich to buy the best.

Nothing has changed. Getting in early in Philately is still the best formula for success.

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Rod is being rather modest here. :wink:

The dust cover fly notes have Barwis mentioning that meeting Rod Perry and Geoff Kellow inspired him to collect the Half Length series, as their enthusiasm rubbed off. :mrgreen:

Kellow's superb "Stamps Of Victoria" hard cover book is another 'must have' work, and it covered much of what was then in Rod's stellar collection of Victoria.

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