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Is there an equivalent to the Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue (ACSC, aka Brusden White) for Norfolk Island?

I've recently acquired a box lot which included some NI stamp varieties, and I'm wondering what else there is out there (particularly NI coil varieties???).

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Jim .. nothing I am aware of.

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:( - but thanks Glen.
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Supporting the Southern NZ economy. :)

They may have been small monographs, or separate listing in Specialist journals on some Norfolk errors decades back, but nothing CENTRAL exists I have ever seen.
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jimdotwalker wrote:Is there an equivalent to the Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue (ACSC, aka Brusden White) for Norfolk Island?

I've recently acquired a box lot which included some NI varieties, and I'm wondering what else there is out there (particularly NI coil varieties???).

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Another :(
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VERY few - if any - in Elizabethan .. don't worry. :mrgreen:
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Hi Jim,

This list appeared in the Pacific Island Circle Journal back in 1988. Compiled by Steve Bradford and Bertram Mendelsohn will a little help from me.

Many Norfolk Island varieties have subsequently been mentioned in the house journal.

If this is an area you are interested in you should consider becoming a member.

In fact if you have any interest in the Postal History/Stamps of the Pacific Islands you should join.

http://www.pisc.org.uk/

Hope the list below helps.
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List Of Norfolk Island Varieties – Steve Bradford/Bertram Mendelsohn /Chris Clifford Pacifica Vol. 26 1988

S.G.
No.
1. Disappearing Headland
2. Vertical Strip of 4, Imperf at side.
3. Printed on Green Tinted Paper.
Imperf at base.
4. Double Perforations.
5. Disappearing Headland Double Perforations.
9. Ink flaw top left comer.
12. Double Perforations.
19. Deep violet shade.
20. No dot bottom RH comer.
21. Thin Ink on 7d overprint
7d Double Overprint.
Sliced d variety. (SG 21VI) R3/1.
23. Broken Bar in Overprint (SG21V2) R8/1.
Frame Scratch. (SG23V4).
24. White Leaves.
25. Rose Colour Shift.
31. 3mm Upward Shift of Yellow.
36. Emerald shade of Green.
Break in Frame Line above R of Norfolk.
36. (SPECIMEN) 3 settings known of Overprint
41. Retouch in middle of Bible.
52. Extra Craft. (SG52V3).
56. Face Value omitted.
60. Partial Offset
Small Tablet.
61. Missing value in Grey O/P Square.
Colour shift on pink, to (A) NW, (B) NE,
62. (C) SW, (D) SE.
Shift in O/P.
Missing O/P tablet but with 3c O/P.
65. Misplaced O/P. (Displaced O/P on Perfs).
66. Silver over Black.
68. Silver O/P is Narrow.
70. Black 2mm higher than normal.
71. Broken top on I of $1 (SG71V12.)
72. Offset.
White Sky due to Plate wear.
Large Tablet
Missing Roadway and Sands.
74. Damaged 1 in 1966
75. Red Dot between Norfolk and Island RS/3.
Green Line through K to I. R7/3.
Pink Colour Shift on Lhs of Roof.
76 Dot under NOR. R5/5
77. Flag at half mast
Dot in N. R10/2
Shift to Right of Red Printing.
Short vertical line at right. R10/7.
Spar to sail. (SG77V5.)
White Dot Rhs of Main Mast.
78.
Ink Run on 2c value.
White Dot in Sky. (Several Positions.)
Smudged value.
80. Vertical lines on plate.
81. Extra man in craft (SG81V7). Rl/4.
Vertical Hairline through K. R8/4. R9/4,
R10/4.
Large Bird variety. R8/4.
Thin S.
82. White Porthole. (SG82VI1). RI/ 1.
Weak entry in Bow of Ship.
83. Double Lines on Pennant
Run on 9c Value.
84. Blue dot on Front of Sail, bottom left.
White Rock in Front of boat. R10/6.
87. Doctor Blade.
89. Colour Shift, all colours.
93. White Lips.
Strong Offset.
94. Strong Offset.
White Lips.
Pale area to left of eye.
95. White Lips.
Strong Offset.
Dark Spot on L of Norfolk.
Spot on Eyebrow.
Weak Frame.
95A. White Lips.
Strong Offset.
Spot on Cheek. No 3 of Strip.
Spot on Chin.
Missing Line in Tail of Jet.
96. Missing Clouds.
97. Missing Clouds.
Red Printing displaced upwards.
Red Hairline through Lettering.
100. Van Difmans Variety. (SG100VB). Extended
R in September.
Two Dots on Map under A of land R3/1.
Retouch under N on Map.
Vertical Spur on Coastline. R3/4.
101. Retouch under N on Map. - Two dots on
Map under A of Land R3/ 1.
103. Weak printing on Leaves.
'Norfolk Island', Thin and Thicker Print.
Offset on Beak.
Red Dot in Top RH Comer. R2/3. Weak
Branch.
Missing Branches.
Extra Branch, (SG103V9).
104. Smudged Value.
Brown Printing out of Register. Yellow
Leaves.
105. 1mm Brown Blob. R8/4.
Brown Flaw on Breast
106. Grey Dot R5/9.
Black Mark on Leaf.
White Dot.
107. Broken A in Blue Island.
108. Retouch under Tail. Rl/10.
Weak L in Island.
Weak Value.
110. Retouch above 10c and Ink Run.
Smudged Value.
111. Smudged Upper Lettering
Colour Shift, Green on Breast.
113. Dark Flaw.
Brown Circular Blob. R8/4.
113A. Glazed Ordinary Paper.
114. Extra Yellow Twig under 30c.
118. Colour Run (Red). R3/5.
Blue Line. R6/1, R6/2. Dot in N.
White Spot on N. (SG 118VI0). Crack (or
Paper Crease) R2/1.
119. 3mm Drop in Blue Printing.
Weak White Printing (almost disappears.)
Line Through April to Banksia. R3/4. Line
Through Endeavour. R3/4.
120. Trouser Leg Bug Black Dot RS/7. Plate
Block with missing 1A in Blue.
121. Flaw at Bottom of Face.
123. Scratch on Face
126. Missing Equator and Two Tropic Lines.
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127. Ghosting of Halo.
Missing Purple Colour, (SG 128EA.)
Letters LT joined R9/10.
Orange Flaw in Left Frame. R2/1.
Hair Lines.
129. Various Horizontal Lines.
131. Red Omitted.
135. Dot under Step. R1/4.
Dot before N of Norfolk.
Dot below Line after Island at top.
Mark over Free. R2/5.
Weak 3c. R2/4.
136. Large Black Flaw on N of Norfolk
R8/5.
140. Hair Lines through to l0c.
142. Broken Second 0 in Norfolk.
158/
161.
'AUKLAND' error on adhesive
backing.
204. Horizontal roulettes omitted from
Backing Paper.
205. White Dot on L of Norfolk.
224. Flaw Right of Chimney.
229. Missing Red Island RS/5.
Faint Red Dot at Edge of Stamp.
R3/2.
235A. Black Omitted.
244. Black Flaw, Top of C of Value. R3/3.
Line through c of 30c.
White Dot on 0 of Value. R3/1.
245. White Hole on Second 0 of Norfolk
R2/4.
246. Break in 0 of Value. RS/3.
248. Red Dot above Main Design.
252. Blue Dot on Forehead. RI/3.
MS261 Grey Printing instead of Black.
313. 2mm colour Shift of Pink.
1984 Fish Definitives.
3 Different Gutter Strips exist for each
value. Refer to position of
'Heidelberg'.
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Thirteen varieties are listed in the old 1981 SG Catalogue of Commonwealth Varieties with the illustrations V1-10 given in Chris's list.

The catalogue lists two varieties for SG 21 - the "sliced d" and also the "bottom bar broken" which has become attached to SG23 in the list above.
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Thanks very much Chris and Nigel - will work with information above. :D
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Now that someone has raised the subject of Norfolk Island stamps, I am wondering if this is a country that is becoming more popular. Many years ago, really liking the designs of the early issues, I bought the first several sets but later sold them when I abandoned the hobby for several years.

At the time, I recollect this was supposed to be a "hot" country. However, I notice that prices have not increased much and I can probably replace the stamps I sold at a reasonably modest cost. Norfolk has also continued to issue stamps at a rapid rate.

What do members think? I still like the early stamps and would probably buy them again but is it a popular country to collect and try to complete?
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Greidp,
I am wondering if this is a country that is becoming more popular.
Whilst polar philately has increased in popularity, which has resulted in an increase in interest in AAT, it would unfortunately seem that Norfolk Island has a decreasing level of interest - despite links to the history of Pitcairn Islands.

There are, however, over 700 hits on Stampboards if you search on "Norfolk Island".
I notice that prices have not increased much and I can probably replace the stamps I sold at a reasonably modest cost.

Indeed.
Norfolk has also continued to issue stamps at a rapid rate.
Getting back onto the topic of Norfok Island varieties, I received the Norfolk Island Philatelic Bureau bulletin in the mail today. It pictures 50 different backing varieties of the 60c "Iconic Activities" - varieties presumably also present in the 75c, $1.55 and $2.75 in the set.

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By comparison, there were only 14 varieties of the backings of the UPU / 150th Anniversary / Girl Scouts / Boy Scouts issues of the 1970s (15 varieties if you include the "AUKLAND" mis-spelling on the 1974 UPU issue).

I think the Norfolk Island Philatelic Bureau has just given me an excuse to cease buying new issues, and to focus my efforts elsewhere (like the varieties of past NI issues listed above :| ).
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jimdotwalker wrote:I think the Norfolk Island Philatelic Bureau has just given me an excuse to cease buying new issues, and to focus my efforts elsewhere (like the varieties of past NI issues listed above :| ).
I would agree with you - Norfolk Island is one of the few Pacific Islands I still collect - perhaps not for much longer.
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Forgot this variety in the recent World Heritage booklet:

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Notice the misspelling of 'Gaurd' on the stamp - appears the proof reader let their guard down! :lol: :roll:
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and I thought Norfolk Island stamps were perfect. Something else to look for. I'm only going to collect to about 1990 or so though.

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Here is another spelling error - clearly the guilty party has had a long employment. The gutter strip on all four values of the August 1995 World War 11 vehicles has 'NORFOLK' spelt as 'NORFOLD'. What a shocker!
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I have the Michel Band 7 Australien Ozeanien 2010 catalog.

I notice that there are a number of especially paper varieties that are not listed in the Scott catalog.

I do not have SG for this geographical area.

I would be glad send any info you need from this Michel catalog.

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A Norfolk Island complete commercial usage collection is a bigger challenge than obtaining all of the major errors and varieties.

The errors come and go over the decades; I've yet to see a N.I. complete usage collection for even the £SD issues, 1947-65.

The glaring omissions in that quest are postally used articles bearing the 1960 2/8d Local Govt., and 1961 10/- Tropic Bird. I've seen the other stamps of the era, albeit just in ones and twos for many.

Can anyone make my day and post a scan of valid commercial postal use (i.e. not FDCs) of either the 2/8d or 10/-?

When Steve Bradford sold his fine N.I. collection at auction, I quizzed him on his modest representation of £SD usage material, despite clear indications that an attempt to remedy his position had been mounted.

Steve replied that in decades of looking he had found next to nothing!

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Listed this today and it sold in minutes, but added here to add to the Norfolk database -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=48970
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Norfolk 1967 10c Ship MUH with Striking Pre-Print paper fold.
Striking error. An error in paper manufacture left a prominent pre-printing paper fold, and the printing by Harrisons was done over this paper fold.

If you look closely, you can see the brown print ink in the paper fold midships at deck level.
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VERY seldom seen on any stamps on this era, and especially from Harrisons & Sons, London, who were the world master security printers of the time.

First I have ever seen.
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Rod Perry wrote:A Norfolk Island complete commercial usage collection is a bigger challenge than obtaining all of the major errors and varieties.

The errors come and go over the decades; I've yet to see a N.I. complete usage collection for even the £SD issues, 1947-65.

The glaring omissions in that quest are postally used articles bearing the 1960 2/8d Local Govt., and 1961 10/- Tropic Bird. I've seen the other stamps of the era, albeit just in ones and twos for many.

Can anyone make my day and post a scan of valid commercial postal use (i.e. not FDCs) of either the 2/8d or 10/-?

When Steve Bradford sold his fine N.I. collection at auction, I quizzed him on his modest representation of £SD usage material, despite clear indications that an attempt to remedy his position had been mounted.

Steve replied that in decades of looking he had found next to nothing!

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Sorry, I can't quite make your day as it is a fdc:

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However for what purpose was this stamp issued. Was there a rate for the 10/- stamp or was it a make up rate for parcels?

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Rod Perry wrote:A Norfolk Island complete commercial usage collection is a bigger challenge than obtaining all of the major errors and varieties.

The errors come and go over the decades; I've yet to see a N.I. complete usage collection for even the £SD issues, 1947-65.

The glaring omissions in that quest are postally used articles bearing the 1960 2/8d Local Govt., and 1961 10/- Tropic Bird. I've seen the other stamps of the era, albeit just in ones and twos for many.

Can anyone make my day and post a scan of valid commercial postal use (i.e. not FDCs) of either the 2/8d or 10/-?

When Steve Bradford sold his fine N.I. collection at auction, I quizzed him on his modest representation of £SD usage material, despite clear indications that an attempt to remedy his position had been mounted.

Steve replied that in decades of looking he had found next to nothing!

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Have I made your day with this one?

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I kind of think not because I am sure you mean commercial use paying the correct rate!

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From the Norfolk Island Philatelic Bulletin:

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Firstly the date of issue is incorrectly printed in the Bulletin as 15th January 2001.

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And that date is repeated in the fdi postmark. However the postmark also calls the bird "Norfka" which is one of three names for the bird but the issue was called "Nuffka" as the fdc cachet correctly shows. The error in this postmark was detected before use & should have been destroyed but somehow it was used & if I remember correctly sold over the Post Office counter.

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Finally correct in all details.

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Brad, sorry I overlooked replying to your postings of 10/- Bird and 2/8d Local Govt. Both, as you say, are philatelic usages.

The more logical commercial postal uses for these stamps were:

10/- Bird:
Aside from parcel rates, quintuple (i.e. 2-2½ozs.) 2/- per ½oz. airmail rate to North America (i.e. 2/- x5), or registered quadruple airmail rate (i.e. 2/- x4) + 2/-.

2/8d Local Govt:
Registered second weight step (i.e. 1-2ozs.) surface mail to Australia, and registered non-standard airmail up to ½oz. to Australia. Both of these would require 8d postage + 2/- registration.
Registered airmail to N.Z. (again 8d + 2/-).

I doubt that either stamp exists on a commercial postal article.

However, a 1953 5/- sepia Bridge strip of three does exist on commercail cover; it fetched a staggering $5,250 (+ premium) at Prestige Auctions recently.

I originally bought that cover in U.K. in 1990s . . . for twenty quid (and no, I wasn't the vendor on the occasion of the recent sale).

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Very pretty lot I listed up today. :mrgreen:

Anyone seen any OTHER progressive proofs from Norfolk?

Garrard had some working proofs on the 70s free forms that sold for well into 4 figures a set, but not this kind of colour separation stuff.

Indeed is anyone aware of ANY other stamp set from Norfolk printed in Spain?

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As a dealer for 35 years, I have NEVER even seen a set offered such as this from Norfolk. The spectacular 2002 Stephen Bradford and 2011 Eddie Garrard Norfolk Island collections did NOT have these. Presumed to be from the Printer Archive – Heraclio Fournier, Spain.

I am not aware of any other stamp from Norfolk (or anyone locally) printer by Fournier. Fresh MUH progressive Colour Proofs, on same gummed paper as issued stamp, with matching perforated stamp. A spectacular looking album page. Almost certainly unique pieces - priced at HALF what the AP current PO year book costs! SG #125.
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Posted elsewhere:

Three different overprints on the 10/- Norfolk Island Red-Tailed Tropic Bird:

* Specimen Overprint Bottom Centre (Retail $70)
* Specimen Overprint Bottom Right (Retail $70)
* Specimen Overprint Top Left (Retail $110)



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A recent purchase:

5 Jun 1981 First Day cover, with 35c Gold Stamp, from the "International Postal Collectors League"
( (c) 1981 Calhoun's Collectors Society, Inc, according to the accompanying album page - not illustrated).

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On Cover:
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Another recent purchase:

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(four coil wrappers for the four different Norfolk Island coil issues)

(the Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue (aka "Brusden-White") lists coil wrappers, and as these very rarely come to market, I thought I'd show them here).
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Offsets are often regarded as a variety:
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However, the Norfolk Island coils were produced using a similar process (multicolour photogravure) to the Australian Coils.

In the ACSC listing for the Australian 3c Queen Elizabeth Coil, the catalogue notes:
All so-called offsets on this issue are believed to be the result of "sweating" of coils in humid regions.
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This Norfolk Island cover is, I assume, commercially used. Sent in 1952 with Ball Bay 9d. and ½d. stamps.

I haven't seen these that often so can anybody give me an idea if there is generally any rarity to early commercial covers like this :?:

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Real postal use of the early stamps is not common, you are right there. :)

Certainly looks commercial in all ways - except the rate appears strange.

Norfolk then as now seemed to follow oz rates for letter post, and cannot image what rate needed a 9½d franking?

A letter was 3½d here and double weight was 6½d local and 7½d overseas, and there were specific stamps for both commonly used rates, and there was no 9½d common rate here. Various 2 other Ball Bay values could be used to up make both rates assuming they applied.

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I also thought the rate was high.

The reg. label could have come off it at some stage :?:
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Can't be Reg'd Tony, as the Reg'd fee was 9d alone! And will have back-stamps for sure and most likely red and blue lines from 60 years back.

Maybe the airmail fee was 3d as it was here, and this was meant to be sent air 2nd weight step, and the sender or clerk did not mark as air or affix an airmail label? Or that fell off.

Is it backstamped?
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Will add this piece below from another thread, to keep it within the data base of this Norfolk Island stamps and covers thread.



https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=55306

Rodney Perry added a large piece in his current 'Stamp News' article on it, saying it is the first commercial usage he has ever sighted or heard of, on the 1960 10/- Tropic Bird.


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Found! First Norfolk 1961 10/- Red-Tailed Tropic Bird stamp used on a parcel fragment

This stamp is a SG 36, cat £35 used. A scarcer high value used, but nothing to normally get excited about as many exist from FDC's and CTO copies.

A lady today bought over a pile of stuff her deceased mother left, and part of it was this Butterscotch Biscuit tin below full of used stamp from 1960s era mostly. On and off paper.

Most she had soaked off, as was the fashion of the time as Rod Perry laments so often. Had she done that with these, it would be a $20 find, not a $100 one. :lol:

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Rodney Perry has said he has not in over 40 years seen this stamp postally used - even a soaked off one. True, this is a bare parcel fragment, and not a full parcel label, but it is better than whatever else has been seen to date - ZERO!


https://www.rap.com.au/vPages.asp?vPagesID=Aug%2005

LUCKILY whomever got the parcel part tore, and part peeled these off, thinning the 5/- but importantly saving the underlying note on parcel - still showing to us (mirrored) at "17/2".

Penned by the clerk in Norfolk, that was indicating 17/2d was the assessed postage rate, and indeed we have 17/2d of stamps here showing this was the complete franking used.

Date is not possible to read - pretty normal from Norfolk where postal articles got roughly cancelled as noted in Rod's article above, but it is clearly a Norfolk cds.

On cover or a larger parcel piece with address, value 4 figures easily I'd guess. I've settled on a modest 3 figures sum for stock, but a fun find all the same! 8)



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A member here quickly snaffled it up at my apparently modest $100 asking price. :lol:
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Hi Tony,

What a lovely cover. The rate of 9½d is perfectly correct. The cover is a Double Weight Air Mail Letter (1oz) comprising two Air Mail Fees (3d per ½oz) + one letter rate of 3½d.

A collector of Ball Bay commercially used on cover (like myself) would probably pay $AU30-40.

Hope this is of help.

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Not in the big deal scale like the 10/- Bird, but I suspect precious few 1974 $1 Architecture used on piece are around either. :mrgreen:

This was in a junk lot I loaded up today and is added here just for the record. :)

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=57493
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There are moves afoot to strip Norfolk Island of its self governing external territory status and have it reconstitued as a local government (council) area of New South Wales.

Apparently it will lose its tax status, and gain access to many Australian and State government services that are not currently available (health, education, etc.)

From Wikipedia:

"It was announced on March 19, 2015 that self-governance for the island would be revoked by the Commonwealth and replaced by a local council with the state of New South Wales providing services to the island. The reasons for this were that the island had never really gained self-sufficiency and was being heavily subsidized by the Commonwealth, to the amount of $12.5 million in 2015 alone. This would mean residents would have to start paying Australian income tax, however would also be covered by Australian welfare schemes such as Medicare."

Does anyone know how its stamp issuing status will be affected?
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Is it a done deal yet?

I recall reading this week it was still not set in stone?
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If this goes through, I imagine that Norfolk Island stamps will continue in the way that Christmas Islands and Cocos (Keeling) Islands stamps do. The stamps would become Norfolk Island, Australia. After all, it already has a NSW Postcode.

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Norfolk who ??

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fromdownunder wrote:If this goes through, I imagine that Norfolk Island stamps will continue in the way that Christmas Islands and Cocos (Keeling) Islands stamps do.
Hope so, they issue such nice stamps, and obviously quite a few people collect them, so makes sense just to make it an Australian Territory whos stamps are issued by Australia Post.

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The wiki article seems an incomplete story...revoking Norfolk's status is a "done deal", but the date such will take effect isn't stated?

Given the speed at which government works, even if it has been decided, the bureaucrats will set a date years in the future, so they have time to work out all the details...or claim they are, to justify lots of business trips and "fact-finding missions". :roll:
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I do prefer the older Norfolk Island stamps.
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Since it's "show us nice stamps" time, this one is on eBay right now (don't have any connection to the seller, just an item I happened to see last night),
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From an Australian Government website.

http://www.regional.gov.au/territories/norfolk_island/reforms/

The Norfolk Island Act 1979 will be amended to allow the Australian Government to assume responsibility for funding and delivering national and state level services. These changes mean the Norfolk Island Legislative Assembly would have fewer responsibilities. As a result, the Norfolk Island Legislative Assembly will transition into a Norfolk Island Regional Council which will start on 1 July 2016.

I suspect that stamps will still be issued, but as to who gets the revenue will have to be something nutted out between the Norfolk Island authorities and the Australian Government.

Stamp issues seem to be limited to 20,000 per issue at the moment. So quite small numbers and hence dollar values in reality compared to Australia Post. 20,000 is less than the Black Caviar show issue.
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traralgon3844 wrote:From an Australian Government website.

http://www.regional.gov.au/territories/norfolk_island/reforms/

The Norfolk Island Act 1979 will be amended
Wonder if the Senate need to ratify this? :idea:

If so, like everything else, nothing will occur this decade!
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That wouldn't be the very first registration label used out of Norfolk Island would it? :shock:
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From the 9 News website:

"A remote Pacific island whose residents are descendants of the swashbuckling British sailors and Tahitian women immortalised in the "Mutiny on the Bounty" movies is set to lose its right to self-rule.

Norfolk Island, 1,500 kilometres east of the Australian coast and settled by the ancestors of Fletcher Christian and other Bounty mutineers in 1856, has governed itself since 1979.

But it is effectively bankrupt and Canberra said it would introduce legislation next week to scrap the Australian territory's parliament.

If it passes, the island's legislative assembly will be temporarily replaced by an advisory council, before local government elections in 2016
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Personal and business tax will be introduced from July 2016, and residents will in return be able to access social security and healthcare benefits and services enjoyed by other Australians.

Assistant regional development minister Jamie Briggs said the changes were long overdue and it was not sustainable to ask a community of just 1,800 to deliver local, state and federal services.

He said the infrastructure on Norfolk Island was run down, the health system not up to standard and laws out of date.

"The community overwhelmingly supports reform and is of the view that the current governance arrangements are not suitable," he said, adding that Norfolk Island was effectively in administration and reliant on Australian bailouts.

"It is diabolical - it is quite concerning that it's been left for so long," he said.

Norfolk Island Chief Minister Lisle Snell said it was unfair to impose such a decision on the tiny outcrop, just eight kilometres long by five kilometres wide and perched on steep cliffs above crashing surf.

"Norfolk Islanders will lose their identity, they will lose their way of life," Ms Snell told the ABC.

Most of the core population are descendants of the mutineers who set Captain William Bligh adrift from British warship the Bounty when they famously fell in love with the South Seas, and its women, in 1789.

The mutiny gained such a romantic gloss that chief mutineer Christian has been portrayed by a series of Hollywood heart-throbs over the years, including Errol Flynn, Clark Gable, Marlon Brando and Mel Gibson.

Christian and eight other mutineers first made their home on Pitcairn Island with a group of Tahitian women, but their descendants moved nearly 6,000 kilometres to Norfolk Island in 1856 when Pitcairn became to small for them.

Queen Victoria granted them the right to settle in the abandoned former penal colony."

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Would be nice to see Norfolk Island stamps continue (afterall Portugal has Azores and Madeira), especially if they became valid for Australian post. It is nearly imposible to get genuinely postally used stamps from there :D
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ChrisGray wrote:
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That wouldn't be the very first registration label used out of Norfolk Island would it? :shock:
Looks suspiciously like it IS the 1st Registered Label. In which case I wonder what its market value might be ?
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rochan2010 wrote:
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That wouldn't be the very first registration label used out of Norfolk Island would it? :shock:
Looks suspiciously like it IS the 1st Registered Label. In which case I wonder what its market value might be ?
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