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New Stamp Bulletin is up and it has details of the new concession stamp.

No denomination on the stamp itself, and only available to buy in a $3.95 stamp pack.

Also interesting is that it is not included as being included in Seven Seas pages. Wonder if it will get a release in the annual collections?

https://shop.auspost.com.au/INTERSHOP/static/WFS/AusPost-Shop ... 7_high.pdf
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Non-denominational stamps are an odd step, but at least collectors get an opportunity to buy the stamps.
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If we needed any further proof that this was simply a publicity con.. sorry.. exercise, you only have to note that it is a "limited edition". The real target market is collectors, not pensioners.
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It could simply be a way of offsetting the potential cost to revenue by intended usage.
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The price of the stamp pack is essentially 5 x 70c plus the standard 45c extra for the Stamp pack it comes in, so even though it has no demoniation they are still charging collectors the price of a regular stamp.
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Noticed the Ashes PNC advertised as limited to 7000 in the Bulletin, when they have actually produced 7,500 :roll:
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I heard an elderly lady getting very upset when she was told that she wont be able to get the concession stamps just by producing her pension card rather that she has to apply for an Australia Post concession card...the poor AP staff member just said to her that it seems ridiculous to them too but they cant do anything about it.
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Noticed the Ashes PNC advertised as limited to 7000 in the Bulletin, when they have actually produced 7,500 :roll:
Yes they say 7500 on each cover I think?
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gmoney wrote:I heard an elderly lady getting very upset when she was told that she wont be able to get the concession stamps just by producing her pension card rather that she has to apply for an Australia Post concession card...the poor AP staff member just said to her that it seems ridiculous to them too but they cant do anything about it.
So where do we apply? Fill in the form at the counter. I guess this will make a FDC a rare item.

If you have to apply to Melbourne why not just buy from Melbourne.

Why have they been sent to the local POs?
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The whole thing is being made as difficult as possible to discourage people from bothering. Would you go to all that trouble just to save ten cents? :twisted:

You would have to post a lot of letters to pay for the time, cost and effort involved in getting the card.

This is the point, of course. Get the headlines for thinking about the pensioners but actually do nothing.

Has anyone heard the price of chocolate lately?
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What it needs is positive action on the part of pensioners. If every pensioner deliberately posted their letters with only 60c stamps, the cost of collecting the extra 10c would be a major cost to the post office and might stop some of this foolishness.

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Meanmrmustid wrote:The price of the stamp pack is essentially 5 x 70c plus the standard 45c extra for the Stamp pack it comes in, so even though it has no demoniation they are still charging collectors the price of a regular stamp.
These will be difficult to find on commercial mail or FDC. :)
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From brief chat with my local postmaster, it sounds like you can't buy these stamps even at full non-concessional price if you aren't a card-holder. I plan to get some FDCs made up, so it looks like I'll have to use some of those special collectors packs up to do it.

Anyone interested in a FDC should drop me an email before 24th March.
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https://auspost.com.au/media/documents/Parcel-Post.pdf

Everything up 10% across the board. They all went up heavily in October. And last March. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I send heavy cartons of stockbooks Hagners, Year books and junk boxes each day. $140 is OBSCENE for cheapest possible method.

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Almost worth flying it there yourself and making a short get away of it......
I might add, now with these higher rates there is even greater encouragement for all of us to use real stamps and nice stamps on these big heavy parcels (and any sending for that matter)!!
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jjarmstrong47 wrote:What it needs is positive action on the part of pensioners. If every pensioner deliberately posted their letters with only 60c stamps, the cost of collecting the extra 10c would be a major cost to the post office and might stop some of this foolishness.

That is, if anyone at the post office noticed, of course.Image
Couldn't agree more. To make this worthwile AP would need to reduce the rate to 50% IMO.

If you haven't seen this thread take a look. Anyone can pretty much use any stamp denomination and AP probably won't pick it up.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=51659
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If you haven't seen this thread take a look. Anyone can pretty much use any stamp denomination and AP probably won't pick it up.
As long as you don't post to Malmsbury, Vic. 3446.

We are pretty conscientious about this. I handstamp any unfranked mail in the morning, mainly because the stamps are worthless if used and not franked. We also add a post to pay sticker on any mail that needs it and the person has to pick up at the post office and pay.

This was in response to an increasing tendency of businesses not to pay postage on their mail. We had about twenty A4 envelopes from one firm one day, all without payment so we decided it was going too far. Now we check everything.

My rationale is that if we allow AP to make a loss due to our negligence, we can't complain if one day we don't have a job.
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Less than 2 weeks before the price increases and local post offices inc the Hobart GPO are basically sold out of any lower value 5/10/20 cent stamps.

Surely they could have been organized and gotten a heap of extras in as many regular mail senders who have boxes of 100 x 60c etc need make up values. :roll:
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My postoffice has already received their supply of the "concession rate" stamps and instructions on how to apply for them.

How anyone is going to be able to do a FDC I have no idea as you have to apply and get the AP concession card to be able to buy the stamps first. Perhaps a few of our pensioner collectors should go and apply for the card now and be ready to sell a few FDC's on the 1/4/2014


I would also imagine that AP is busy preparing a 10c make up rate booklet right now, the same as they did the last time with the 5c ones. Although that must hurt the coffers with the production costs.

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Allanswood wrote:I would also imagine that AP is busy preparing a 10c make up rate booklet right now, the same as they did the last time with the 5c ones. Although that must hurt the coffers with the production costs.
I suspect there won't be one. The 5c Fish is still on sale, and the 10c definitive has been reprinted.
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There was no mention of any new low value stamps being issued in the latest bulletin.....
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My post office has already received their supply of the "concession rate" stamps
Will they sell them to you even at 70c each?

Used on mail now to collectors they'd be interesting covers!
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No, I asked. :D There not actually on sale yet, he has them in a box out the back ready for release day. I don't think the barcodes are loaded up to work with the registers yet.

(For the same reason I couldn't buy all the remaining $10 Roo sheets in Jan- even though I could see them, they can't be scanned for sale when the barcode is deleted overnight with whatever updates they do. I asked at my PO and the one I use in Canberra with the same "sorry can't be scanned, can't sell them as they get counted out and sent back when withdrawn).

I'll keep trying though!

Or, I'll go mug (sorry "ask") a pensioner. :lol:

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To make a concession stamp FDC would be a good idea for collectors.

Australia's first stamp with no denomination so lots of interest in this issue. :)
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I could get the covers stamped and potsmarked FDC (if possible) and worry about addresses and cache design later.

But, I wonder if there will be a generic post away to AP in Melbourne and have it done canceller, or if collectors prefer a legitimate cancel from the local postoffice? You would have about a month to get the generic ones cancelled, but would it be a truly FDC for the purists.

First "no denomination/value showing" stamp
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Allanswood wrote:I could get the covers stamped and potsmarked FDC (if possible) and worry about addresses and cache design later.

But, I wonder if there will be a generic post away to AP in Melbourne and have it done canceller, or if collectors prefer a legitimate cancel from the local postoffice? You would have about a month to get the generic ones cancelled, but would it be a truly FDC for the purists.

First "no denomination/value showing" stamp
First "concession rate"" stamp etc

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As there's no FDC (blank or otherwise) for this issue, I reckon the generic cover (kangaroo jumping out of a stamp) would be suitable for a FDC.
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I'm planning to make some FDCs using the generic envelope and getting the philatelic bureau's generic first day of issue post mark applied to it. From what I have worked out, the only way for collectors to get their hands on these stamps is to purchase the 'limited to 10000' special stamp packs and use those.

Nobody has taken up my offer yet (posted 5 days ago in this thread) so it looks like I'm only making one cover for myself so far.
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Justin wrote:I'm planning to make some FDCs using the generic envelope and getting the philatelic bureau's generic first day of issue post mark applied to it. From what I have worked out, the only way for collectors to get their hands on these stamps is to purchase the 'limited to 10000' special stamp packs and use those.

Nobody has taken up my offer yet (posted 5 days ago in this thread) so it looks like I'm only making one cover for myself so far.
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I was going to stock up on the prepaid envelopes at 70c each as I still understand it to be that once bought they are prepaid forever? In other words you don't need to add the extra 10c when the rate goes up?

But also AP has quietly increased the future price of theses PPE's to 85c from 31 March making you now pay 15c per envelope and not the previous 10c + stamp rate. Poo.

And I've tried to place an order for the limited release packs of the concession rate stamps on the website and you can't as they still don't recognise the product code. So it will be mail order then as it's right in front of me.

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But also AP has quietly increased the future price of theses PPE's to 85c from 31 March making you now pay 15c per envelope and not the previous 10c + stamp rate. Poo.
One LPO interstate who is a client of mine that I know, has ordered 20,000 of the current ones over the past month or two in batches of 1000 as I strongly suggested he do so.

So what he new sells for 70c he will sell for 85c next week.

Right NOW if you order them they are "out of stock" at HQ. :mrgreen:
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Managed to get one of the concession packs today and send myself five letters using them. The Post Mistress even postmarked them for me. I just hope they still go through the mail sorting machine and receive the spit. :)
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They are already being sold at post offices? :shock:
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I was surprised too Tassie. I got my copy of the Stamp Bulletin today and it states the release date for these packs is today 24 March 2014.

So I hopped on down to the PO to pick up the pack that was put away for me.
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Also the Booklets on sale to concession holders if you had completed the required paperwork.

Have a couple of covers I did up on Ebay.

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They are already being sold at post offices? :shock:
MY LPO had a CARTON of these stamps arrive last week he did not order. And did not want.

Not a single person in Castlecrag has applied for a permit to buy them he advised.

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Correct the Concession booklets can only be sold to Concession Card holders and numbers sold are allocated to Holders concession card numbers who have registered with Aust Post
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Post office staff are not fully aware.

Ask for a collector pack and they shove a concession application form at you.

They have trouble understanding that there are two items on sale here ... a collectors pack for anyone to buy, and a concession booklet only for concession card holders.

Collector packs are now available on Australia Post website, but limited to 5 (they don't say per order or per person). Post offices didn't get many.
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Hi all, after reading many posts I did two things :-
1) I ordered 5 "Stamp Packs" online with Aust Post, which is the maxium..
2) I went to my local PO with my Concession Card, but alas you have to jump through a few hoops before you can buy a booklet..

This is what the Postmaster told me after he handed me a form ~~"Application for a MyPost Account (concession)"

I have to fill out the form, then either take it back to them, or post it off myself.. Then I will be waiting for Aust Post to send me a card..
Then with the card I am then able to purchase a booklet of Concession Stamps.. The card is scanned and I am given the booklet.. I can buy only 10 booklets per year..

So if I wish I can buy all 10 booklets in one transaction [at] $3.00 each, then note the date and put my card away for 12 months, as I will not be able to use it again anywhere..

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Bunge wrote:Hi all, after reading many posts I did two things :-
1) I ordered 5 "Stamp Packs" online with Aust Post, which is the maxium..
2) I went to my local PO with my Concession Card, but alas you have to jump through a few hoops before you can buy a booklet..

This is what the Postmaster told me after he handed me a form ~~"Application for a MyPost Account (concession)"

I have to fill out the form, then either take it back to them, or post it off myself.. Then I will be waiting for Aust Post to send me a card..
Then with the card I am then able to purchase a booklet of Concession Stamps.. The card is scanned and I am given the booklet.. I can buy only 10 booklets per year..

So if I wish I can buy all 10 booklets in one transaction (at) $3.00 each, then note the date and put my card away for 12 months, as I will not be able to use it again anywhere..

Hope that helps, Cheers Bunge :P
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So let me see if I have this correct:

1. a pensioner can save 10c per stamp up to a max saving of $5 pa.

2. if he posts in his application for a card, he's just spent 70c of the savings.

3. the rest of us can buy the stamps via the collectors' packs at 79c each.

4. once purchased, anyone can use the stamps.

Prediction:

1. The general response from most pensioners will be "too hard" (which is probably the desired outcome, given the costs involved for AP in administering this scheme)

2. these stamps used on commercial mail will be like hen's teeth, particularly the map because there are 50% more roos than maps in the booklets

3. creating your own commercial mail at 79c a pop is probably a long-term moneymaker, even more so if you know a compliant pensioner and can swap his 60c purchases for regular 70c stamps, leaving him no worse off
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Close up pictures of this new Post Office Pack of 5x concessional stamps. :D
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jrg wrote:1. a pensioner can save 10c per stamp up to a max saving of $5 pa.
Yes
jrg wrote:2. if he posts in his application for a card, he's just spent 70c of the savings.
Application forms need to be handed in over the counter.
jrg wrote:3. the rest of us can buy the stamps via the collectors' packs at 79c each.
Yes, but that is reasonable - 5 x 70c stamps + regular 45c markup for the pack. (though technically, the concession rate is not valid until 31 March, so what is the actual price of these stamps prior to 31 March?)
jrg wrote:4. once purchased, anyone can use the stamps.
Yes. Which is one I wonder how, and if, this will be policed.
jrg wrote:Prediction:

1. The general response from most pensioners will be "too hard" (which is probably the desired outcome, given the costs involved for AP in administering this scheme)

2. these stamps used on commercial mail will be like hen's teeth, particularly the map because there are 50% more roos than maps in the booklets

3. creating your own commercial mail at 79c a pop is probably a long-term moneymaker, even more so if you know a compliant pensioner and can swap his 60c purchases for regular 70c stamps, leaving him no worse off
Yes, Yes and Yes
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Tassie_Stamps wrote:Close up pictures of this new Post Office Pack of 5x concessional stamps. :D
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Can you scan the back of the booklet? Would be interesting to see if the barcode on the booklets from the packs are different to the booklets sold over the counter.
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I think that limited release post office pack will be scarcer than any commercial mail with the concession stamp on it. They only made 10,000 packs and everyone I know is tearing them apart to make FDC and FDU covers with them.

Very soon there will be plenty of the actual stamps available, just make friends with a few pensioners. But I wouldn't be tearing all those packs open.

I'd be very surprised though if the booklet sheet in the pack has a different barcode to the over the counter one. Actually I'd be astonished. :shock:


As far as our commercial mail goes, all the current stamps released are rare on cover - haven't seen a single Cooking Legends 2014 yet on anything.

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Allanswood wrote:I'd be very surprised though if the booklet sheet in the pack has a different barcode to the over the counter one. Actually I'd be astonished. :shock:
While I would be surprised, there are philatelic and general barcodes on booklets, so why not on these? The only reason why they might not have a different barcode is the pack is barcoded.
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Picture of Back and then Front & Back of Booklet Code Number *1501
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Wow, that Kangaroo design looks awful cropped on the cover.

Three observations:

1) Considering it is a non-value letter rate stamp, is there a set expiry on these or will we still see them being used out of old collections in 50 years' time?

2) There's 50% more Kangaroo stamps produced than the Australian Map design, so here's hoping the price guides will reflect that (albeit small) difference in supply.

3) These are going to be a nightmare for AP staff in mixed use with regular stamps on parcels, even if they are verboten. :lol:
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ChrisGray wrote:3) These are going to be a nightmare for AP staff in mixed use with regular stamps on parcels, even if they are verboten. :lol:
Questions about the use of this stamp have been asked of Australia Post. I will post replies as soon as possible.
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Queenslander wrote:Picture of Back and then Front & Back of Booklet Code Number *1501
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Thanks for these. This raises many more questions...

1. What is with that barcode? *1501?????

2. Why does a non-denominate stamp booklet have a price on the cover?

3. Obviously, the stamp can be used for higher rates. Only with other concession stamps? Or with 70c stamps?
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stampchris wrote:
Allanswood wrote:I'd be very surprised though if the booklet sheet in the pack has a different barcode to the over the counter one. Actually I'd be astonished. :shock:
While I would be surprised, there are philatelic and general barcodes on booklets, so why not on these? The only reason why they might not have a different barcode is the pack is barcoded.

What I meant was that surely the booklet sheet inside the "collectors" pack is the exact same sheet that is available over the counter, barcode and all. They would not have done 2 production runs. :)


As for the extra value for the "sand map" compared to the Roo, I would doubt it. It's happened often enough before with booklets. There will still be oodles of them whether 2/5 or 3/5 of the production.

As for posting them in 50 years? Why not? They are after all our first "forever" style stamp. But who is going to hang onto them long enough to bother - your 60c now in the bank will outgrow that 60c stamp that can be used anytime.

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Back of collector's pack showing barcode:
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As far as I can tell, the sheetlet inside the collector's pack is an unfolded booklet, same as the concession buyers will get.

I seem to recall that Australia Post has promised that these will be available till at least 2017.
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