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Allanswood wrote:Found this while searching online. Old article about the British Guiana 1c Magenta
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PIX Magazine 3rd May 1952
Article on the British Guiana 1c Magenta and an Australian Owner
We now know of course the owner was Fred Small, Anzac Cove Gallipoli war hero. Allegedly even his wife did not know he owned the 1c British Guiana stamp!


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1940–1970: Frederick T. Small, the Unknown Australian Owner Frederick T. Small, from The Philatelist,vol. 36, 1970. Courtesy of the Collectors Club, New York City[/centre]



The next owner of the British Guiana 1c was very much the opposite of Arthur Hind. While, like Hind, he had the resources to indulge in stamp collecting at a very high level, the new owner’s interest in stamps was financial, not philatelic.

Frederick “Poss” Trouton Small was born on 20 May 1888 in Capricornia, Queensland.

Trained as an engineer at the University of Queensland before the First World War, Small enlisted on 4 September 1914 and served on the Gallipoli peninsula, where the French forces recommended him for the Croix de Guerre.

After serving as a chief tunnel engineer, he was discharged from the Australian Imperial Force in 1916 due to illness and recurring difficulties with his knee, where he had been wounded in action.

After marrying in Australia, Small moved to Great Britain, where he was a pioneer in Rayon production. In 1924 the Smalls moved to the United States. They first lived in Cumberland, Maryland, where he worked as an engineer for the Celanese Corporation, rising to Vice President in 1940.

The Celanese Corporation, coincidentally in association with DuPont, was involved with the New York World’s Fair, and so it is possible that Small actually saw the stamp at this time.

He evidently considered the 1856 One-Cent a blue chip, because he discreetly approached Finbar Kenny, Manager of the Stamp Department at Macy’s, to see if the stamp could be purchased.

Kenny, in turn, contacted Mrs. Scala, and the stamp was sold for $45,000. The sale was announced on 8 August 1940, but it was shrouded in such secrecy that even Ann Hind Scala did not know the identity of the ultimate buyer.

Frederick Small would remain a mystery for nearly thirty years; supposedly his own wife was unaware that he had purchased the stamp. For the next three decades, Finbar Kenny became the public face of the British Guiana and he was often mistakenly described at its owner.

He later recalled that “When I bought it there were two other dealers (including Emil Bruechig) who had clients for it in the $50,000 range but did not want to work on a narrow margin. An offer from Canada of $60,000 (with check enclosed) was mailed to me within a month after I had bought the stamp and sold it.”
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Stanley Gibbons promotional pamphlet for its catalogue centenary, 1965. Courtesy of Peter Lazar, Philatelic Collector Inc.



Through Kenny’s auspices, Small did make the One-Cent available for exhibition. It was featured at the 1947 United States Stamp Centenary in New York, at MIPEX in Melbourne in 1963, and, most famously, as the cornerstone of the Stanley Gibbons Catalogue Centenary in 1965 - the first time the stamp had been shown in Great Britain since 1923.

Richard Ashton, Sotheby’s stamp consultant, was at that time working for the Harmer Rooke–Stanley Gibbons Auction company, whose stand at the exhibition was close to the display of the British Guiana. Although the One-Cent had a 24-hour security guard, “Mick” Michael, the Chairman of Stanley Gibbons, asked Richard to keep an eye on the treasure. Mick’s encouragement was “Look after it - your career depends on that.”

Richard recalls Kenny arriving with the stamp, which he retrieved from his wallet.

Article featuring the British Guiana from Life, 3 May 1954 While in Small’s possession the British Guiana was also highlighted in a 1954 Life magazine article called “Stamp Album Worth $1,000,000.” Evidently for the first time, the back of the stamp was illustrated in this article, revealing the ownership marks of Ferrary, Hind, and “the present owner [whose] name … is one of the world’s best-kept secrets.”

But perhaps the best evidence of the popular fame achieved by the One-Cent Black on Magenta during Small’s ownership was its prominent role in the Walt Disney comic book, Donald Duck and the Gilded Man, in which Donald and his three nephews travel to British Guiana in search of “one old, old stamp … that’s worth more than fifty thousand dollars!”

Small retired to Fort Lauderdale in 1956, where he continued his longtime support of American and Australian tennis. Small’s identity was only revealed when, having been advised not to leave stamps in his estate, he consigned them for auction.

The balance of his collection of stamps from British Guiana sold at Robson Lowe in London on 26 March 1970, under the humorously ironic title “The ‘Great’ Collection.” Two days earlier, the One-Cent Magenta came under the hammer with Robert Siegel of New York.
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Well, I guess when you pay $9.5 million... :shock:
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"On Oct. 19, Weitzman continued the tradition of previous owners of the British Guiana 1¢ Magenta by adding his initials “SW” to the reverse of the stamp. He also added a line drawing of a stiletto shoe.

The other markings on the back of this famous stamp were made by Count Philipp von Ferrary, Arthur Hind and his wife Ann “to obscure her husband’s mark,” Frederick T. Small, Finbar Kenny (manager of Macy’s stamp department who brokered the stamp’s sale to Small), Irwin Weinberg and associates, and John E. du Pont, according to information from the Smithsonian’s National Postal Museum.

I think it is safe to say the hobby greatly appreciates the support Weitzman has for it."

Full article at...

https://www.linns.com/news/us-stamps-postal-history/a-stilet ... -1-magenta
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The man is a menace to philately.

I mean just look at that heavy ugly scrawl, admittedly on the back of the world's most ugly stamp.

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This idiot does not know the meaning of light pencil. This will likely be visible from the face. Doesn't he know the meaning of the word custodianship?

Even the last clown that owned it only caused it to fade during his ownership.

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capetriangle wrote:This idiot does not know the meaning of light pencil. This will likely be visible from the face. Doesn't he know the meaning of the word custodianship?
A rich Noo Yoiker with FAR more money than sense or taste. Pressing a hard HB type pencil that hard, to ugly graffiti your initials THAT deeply, into a wafer thin paper stamp, is sheer lunacy.

This guy sells women's shoes at $US1000+ a pair, hence the dorky line image of a stiletto shoe (in his mind) - to anyone else, just an ugly meaningless squiggle.

That final very heavy stroke on the "W" for certain, (indeed most of the SW letters) will have heavily indented the paper, and will be clearly visible at front, I feel sure, in future facial scans. :roll: :roll:

Discreet and subtle is not something most Americans are known for, but this ego trip is simply obscene vandalism.

Thank goodness the equally classless Trump never bought it - he'd have used a black sharpie marker pen I have no doubt. On the FRONT. :mrgreen:


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From my ''Stamp News'' article these were the previous owner marks prior to this Weizman American vandal being let loose with his hard pencil -


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REVERSE of the unique 1856 British Guiana 1c Black on Magenta stamp



One of the more fascinating aspects of the British Guiana 1856 1¢ Magenta stamp is the reverse, which shows the personal owner marks of several of its famous owners including:


1. Two strikes of Count Philipp von Ferrary's famous "trefoil" owner's mark. One impression is very faint, at lower left. It sold for then $US32,500 in 1922

2. A large faint "H" of new owner, American Billionaire Arthur Hind at top - said to have burnt a second copy sold to him. "It is now STILL unique".

3. A small "FK" of Finbar Kenny, the manager at Macy's Stamp Department, who brokered the sale by Hind's widow to Fred Small for $US45,000 in 1940.

4. Large, ornate 17 pointed star of Anna Hind, placed OVER her 30 year older husband's "AH" cloverleaf, who had largely cut her out of his will.

5. A small discreet shooting star lower right, added by Australian born WWI Gallipoli hero, Frederick Small, who owned it under total secrecy from 1940-1970.

6. A pencilled "IW" by Irwin Weinberg, head of a group of investors who bought it 1970 for $US280,000 at Sielgels, and later sold it to du Pont via Siegel Auctions.

7. A large soft pencilled "J E d P", initials of the late John E. Du Pont who bought it for $US935,000 in 1980, and died in prison. His heirs sold it in 2014.

8. Vandal scrawl added 2019 of "SW" and a vertical stiletto squiggle in pencil or metallic ink pen, by NY shoe designer, Stuart Weitzman who paid $US9.48m.


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capetriangle wrote:This idiot does not know the meaning of light pencil. This will likely be visible from the face. Doesn't he know the meaning of the word custodianship?
A rich Noo Yoiker with FAR more money than sense or taste. Pressing a hard HB type pencil that hard, to ugly graffiti your initials THAT deeply, into a wafer thin paper stamp, is sheer lunacy.

This guy sells women's shoes at $US1000+ a pair, hence the dorky line image of a stiletto shoe (in his mind) - to anyone else, just an ugly meaningless squiggle.

That final very heavy stroke on the "W" for certain, (indeed most of the "SW" letters) will have heavily indented the paper, and will be clearly visible at front, I feel sure, in future facial scans. :roll: :roll:

Discreet and subtle is not something most Americans are known for, but this ego trip is obscene vandalism.

Thank goodness the equally classless Trump never bought it - he'd have used a black sharpie marker pen I have no doubt. On the FRONT. :mrgreen:
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This is frighteningly tasteful in comparison to what has happened to the poor old British Guiana.

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Unfortunately this poor stamp and everything about it has more to do with vanity than philately.

From the oafs playing games of Billy Big Balls bidding it up to the stratosphere to the exercises in applied vandalism to (fortunately only the reverse of) the stamp, they show themselves unfit to hold custodianship of the kebab shop leaflet stuffed through the door yesterday let alone a philatelic icon.

Un-flipping-believable. :shock:
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From the oafs playing games of Billy Big Balls bidding it up to the stratosphere...
And to think Sotheby's were unhappy with the price.

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I have no doubt this sharp pencil, used with cretin heavy pressure, has deeply indented the paper, so when a scan like the one above is taken in future, the egomanic "SW" initials will show through. Near certain. :roll:


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It looks like silver liquid ink to me, not a pencil.

And if I was signing it, I would not have used something that could be rubbed off - no one else did.
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Allanswood wrote:It looks like silver liquid ink to me, not a pencil.

And if I was signing it, I would not have used something that could be rubbed off - no one else did.
Well if it is a silver pen (agree that is possible) he is a Grade A cretin. How does anyone know what leaching that might create over decades? Like cellotape - it looked fine to users AT THE TIME. :roll: :roll:

As to ''no others'' using pencil - about 50% of the signatures are thus -


Global Administrator wrote:From my ''Stamp News'' article these were the previous owner marks prior to this Weizman American vandal being let loose with his hard pencil on silver ink pen -
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REVERSE of the unique 1856 British Guiana 1c Black on Magenta stamp



One of the more fascinating aspects of the British Guiana 1856 1¢ Magenta stamp is the reverse, which shows the personal owner marks of several of its famous owners including:

1. Two strikes of Count Philipp von Ferrary's famous "trefoil" owner's mark. One impression is very faint, at lower left. It sold for then $US32,500 in 1922

2. A large faint "H" of new owner, American Billionaire Arthur Hind at top - said to have burnt a second copy sold to him. "It is now STILL unique".

3. A small "FK" of Finbar Kenny, the manager at Macy's Stamp Department, who brokered the sale by Hind's widow to Fred Small for $US45,000 in 1940.

4. Large, ornate 17 pointed star of Anna Hind, placed OVER her 30 year older husband's "AH" cloverleaf, who had largely cut her out of his will.

5. A small discreet shooting star lower right, added by Australian born WWI Gallipoli hero, Frederick Small, who owned it under total secrecy from 1940-1970.

6. A pencilled "IW" by Irwin Weinberg, head of a group of investors who bought it 1970 for $US280,000 at Sielgels, and later sold it to du Pont via Siegel Auctions.

7. A large soft pencilled "J E d P", initials of the late John E. Du Pont who bought it for $US935,000 in 1980, and died in prison. His heirs sold it in 2014.

8. Vandal scrawl added 2019 of "SW" and a vertical stiletto squiggle in pencil or metallic ink pen, by NY shoe designer, Stuart Weitzman who paid $US9.48m.
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He used a soft pencil.

The conservator at the NPM did his best to minimize any damage.

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Well if it is a silver pen (agree that is possible) he is a Grade A cretin.
Now Glen, a cretin is someone merely with an endocrinological mental deficiency, our shoe peddler is perhaps merely a moron or an idiot.

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chipg wrote:He used a soft pencil.
The conservator at the NPM did his best to minimize any damage.
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Chip, you mean someone got to witness this butchery.

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The conservator at the NPM did his best to minimize any damage.
You mean they talked him out of the Red/White/Blue sharpie pens? :roll: :roll:
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chipg wrote:He used a soft pencil.

The conservator at the NPM did his best to minimize any damage.

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That really makes the entire situation a whole lot worse, that somebody who should know better stood by and watched this butchery.

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Global Administrator wrote:A soft and dark 4B Staedtler. **ONLY** buy Staedtler for BOTH.
A word for British-made Derwent Cumberland pencils here.

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Every bit as good as the German Staedtler, Derwent Cumberland have over 100 years' history of making quality art pencils.

And, if stamp collecting is a bit racy for you, I'd recommend a morning relaxing at the Cumberland Pencil Museum in Keswick. :wink:

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The reverse is more visually appealing than the front tbh :lol: :lol:
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Cape Triangle - surely Sotheby's were not unhappy with the price? They managed to attract a cashed-up non-collector. Maybe they were unhappy that Bill Gross did not enter the fray. Hard to see another auctioneer getting more realistically.
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MJ's pet wrote:The reverse is more visually appealing than the front tbh :lol: :lol:
capetriangle wrote:And to think Sotheby's were unhappy with the price.
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Cape Triangle - surely Sotheby's were not unhappy with the price? They managed to attract a cashed-up non-collector. Maybe they were unhappy that Bill Gross did not enter the fray. Hard to see another auctioneer getting more realistically.
Perhaps Sotheby's were "unhappy" because the price realised fell short of a threshold whereby vendor commission escalated?

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Perhaps Sotheby's were "unhappy" because the price realised fell short of a threshold whereby vendor commission escalated?

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Rod, no it was a FLAT 20% commission (plus taxes) for this sale -
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On unnumbered page 7 of the actual catalogue - at the bottom-right corner of the page in a box - is the statement.

SPECIAL NOTICES AND REMINDERS FOR SALE NO9154

There is no online bidding for this auction.

The buyer's premium for this sale is 20% of the hammer price.

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Global Administrator wrote:On April 17 The National Postal Museum in Washington was visited by David Redden, a vice president of Sotheby’s, who took along the 1¢ British Guiana for detailed analysis.

Redden was joined by respected stamp expert Robert Odenweller, of the museum's Council of Philatelists, a security officer, James Barron, a reporter from the New York Times, and a photographer from the paper.

The equipment used included the VSC6000, Leica Microscope, X-ray Fluorescence Spectrometer (XRF) and the Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscope (FT-IR).

VSC6000 is the Video Spectral Comparator 6000, which is a high resolution analyser, allowing for the removal of color to better see the stamp and its markings under high magnification.
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Has Sotheby's ever said they were "unhappy" with the price? Or was this heard on the grapevine?

The Buyer's Premium was a flat 20% as noted. At this price level, there is usually a special Vendor's Commission (which we are not privy to) which goes down as the hammer goes up.

While the hammer of US$9.5M was just below the printed Estimate, US$10M - $20M, at that level they did set a world record for a single stamp.

Is there any evidence that Sotheby's realistically expected US$20M, or anything approaching it?

The very wide estimate band suggests they were throwing it wide open. Their vendor was dead (the best kind of vendor 8) ) so Sotheby's only needed one reserve bid to say: mission accomplished.
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Perhaps Sotheby's were "unhappy" because the price realised fell short of a threshold whereby vendor commission escalated?

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Rod, no it was a FLAT 20% commission (plus taxes) for this sale
Glen, Vendor commission, rather than Buyer's commission, is what I'm suggesting may have disappointed Sotheby's.

For example, there may have been no Vendor commission on a realisation of less than $10 million?

Such threshold arrangements are not unusual in the auction industry.

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The arrant brain-dead egotistical "SW" vandalism this Stuart Weitzman cretin just added to the back of a $A14 Million unique rarity is beyond belief -


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Stuart Weitzman recently added this reckless and egomaniac vandal graffiti, on the left of the unique British Guiana 1856 1c Black on Magenta stamp.



I just wrote on it here - hope he sues me - Money certainly does not buy Wisdom Mr Weitzman. :roll: :roll:


https://glenstephens.com/snjanuary20.html

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The new owner of the ~$A14 million British Guiana stamp decided recently to flamboyantly add his initials to the reverse of it. Nothing really unusual about that, as many past owners have done that just that - see photo nearby and index of those markings.

Current owner, Nu Yoiker, Stuart Weitzman does not collect stamps. But he does sell expensive women’s shoes. So his brainstorm was not just to initial the back of the stamp at far left with “SW”, but to add a large stylised woman’s Stiletto shoe under his SW initials. Brilliant stuff.

We are all but temporary custodians of any stamp we own, and this kind of dopey stuff is infuriating - to me anyway.

Sure, he can slice it all into little pieces if he really wishes, but he is purely an investor who bought it for bragging rights to his buddies it seems, so cutting it up might harm his “investment.”

Anyway, what is done is done, and hopefully when Weitzman tires of it, someone with a bit more common sense will own it, and not repeat the same wanton madness.

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Looking for something else and found this.

An Australian identified as owning the 1c British Guiana in 1954 but not named. This was my favourite bit (what a bunch of dreamers :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: ):
"At the first annual Australian Stamp Dealers' convention, held in Sydney recently, delegates planned to form a syndicate to raise "considerably more than £18,000" for the stamp.

But will the mysterious owner rise to the bait?".
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The 1 cent Magenta has magically turned up on eBay "found in old auction house loft that we bought", and with the new owner having the same hand and glove as the person who held it up for photos back in 2014.

In fact it is the photo was from a six year old article in the Guardian (3 June 2014), which just shows that the seller and potential fraudster come convicted criminal has the native intelligence of a punctured balloon.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/jun/02/british ... mp-auction

Opening bid is only GBP6,000.00 from mardonn15 (Maybole, United Kingdom)

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A ''Grade A'' Moron - even by ebay standards! :lol: :lol: :lol:

He keeps flogging it time and time again - can it be reported to ebay please folks in case an equally dopey Bunny actually ''buys'' and pays for it, which is the end game of course for this ebay crook mardonn15

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/mardonn15/m.html?item=3833855835 ... 6732.m1684
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Global Administrator wrote:A ''Grade A'' Moron - even by ebay standards! :lol: :lol: :lol:

He keeps flogging it time and time again - can it be reported to ebay please folks in case an equally dopey Bunny actually ''buys'' and pays for it, which is the end game of course for this ebay crook mardonn15

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/mardonn15/m.html?item=3833855835 ... 6732.m1684
"Stamp only non sticky" apparently. :lol:
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It seems to have gone bye-byes.

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Good to see ebay have deleted the lot.

Why they did not simply delete the account of this spiv beats me - only 11 feedbacks and selling something he clearly does not own.

Welcome to the wonders of ebay, and the den of cons and shonks and shysters that list with impunity.
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I reported it yesterday and told ebay these were images of the actual stamp valued at $10,000,000

I'd imagine I wasn't alone in reporting it.

Makes it hard to explain though when you only have about 100(?) characters to use.
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Stuart Weitzman signing the 1c British Guiana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX3BS7453yo
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MJ's pet wrote: 04 Jan 2021 17:00 Stuart Weitzman signing the 1c British Guiana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX3BS7453yo
Bizarre to see the assistant handle it with no tweezers or cotton gloves?
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Rigs wrote: 04 Jan 2021 17:07
MJ's pet wrote: 04 Jan 2021 17:00 Stuart Weitzman signing the 1c British Guiana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX3BS7453yo
Bizarre to see the assistant handle it with no tweezers or cotton gloves?

Even more bizarre to see this totally clueless American cretin Weitzman, with FAR more money than sense, who seems to know nothing whatsoever about the stamp he spent about $US10 million on, clutching his apparent silver ink roller ball pen ready to vandalise forever this piece of stamp history.

Yet another American with far more money than class and common snese. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I wonder who edited him doing the actual vandalising with the pen? Must have been pretty terrible vision to edit it out. Perhaps he needed to ask someone what his initials were? :evil:
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Stuart Weitzman signing the 1c British Guiana. There are two videos:

Part 1 (2 min 17 sec): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX3BS7453yo

Part 2 (1 min 50 sec): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ku6ruLUbNY

The "signing" takes place in Part 2 at about 1.12. :o
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Yes, I realized that also, having see both videos several times.

Also, I think the philatelic vandal may have used a mechanical pencil, admittedly with a silver-looking "graphite," rather than the silver ink roller ball pen as suggested by Glen.

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Well, John Du Pont did sleep with the stamp under his pillow. :roll:

Here is a guy who knew how to take care of things:

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With a security guard, in a briefcase, hand-cuffed to his wrist, in an armoured car. 8-)
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Sold in sold for a hammer price of $850,000 US ($935,000 invoice). Stamp News from June 1980:


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According to The New York Times, Stuart Weitzman is about to sell this stamp, along with a couple of other rarities he owns. He must have fallen on hard times. Wonder if his infamous "owners mark" will depreciate it?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/arts/design/stuart-weitzman-stamps-coin-auction.html

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He Owns World Famous Stamps and a Prized Coin. Now He’s Selling.

Stuart Weitzman, who made his fortune in shoes, is parting with three of his collecting triumphs, including a block of four “Inverted Jennies.”

This block of four extremely rare ''Inverted Jennies' was created more than a century ago by a printing error that left the image of the plane upside down. It is to be sold at auction in New York in June.''

This block of four extremely rare “Inverted Jennies” was created more than a century ago by a printing error that left the image of the plane upside down. It is to be sold at auction in New York in June.


By James Barron

March 10, 2021

On the day in 1918 when the Postal Service began selling stamps with an image of a newfangled airplane, a 29-year-old stockbroker’s clerk and stamp collector went out on his lunch hour to buy some. He emerged from the nearest post office with a single sheet of 100.

Soon federal agents were hunting for him and demanding them back.

The airplane on the stamps was — uh oh — upside down. The clerk had stumbled across one of the most celebrated stamp mistakes in history, the famously misprinted Inverted Jenny.

A block of four stamps from that single sheet — a singular quartet because it still bears the plate number — will go on display, by appointment, at Sotheby’s in Manhattan on Thursday in preparation for an auction on June 8.

The quartet, known to collectors as the “plate block,” is one of three rarities owned by Stuart Weitzman, the designer and entrepreneur known for creating strappy gladiator sandals, thigh-high boots and other shoes that have been worn by everyone from Kate Moss in his advertisements to Kate Middleton in paparazzi photos.

The other two items in the auction are also marketed with superlatives. Weitzman is selling the world’s most valuable single stamp, the 1856 One-Cent Magenta from British Guiana, which he bought in 2014, and one of the world’s most valuable coins, a $20 United States gold piece that was minted in 1933.

The coin is known as a Double Eagle or "Saint Gaudens"- because they were designed by Augustus Saint-Gaudens who Theodore Roosevelt engaged to re-design USA coinage, at the beginning of the 20th century.

Weitzman paid $US7.6 million for it in 2002, at the time the highest price any coin had ever sold for.

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The “One-Cent Magenta” stamp was among other rare items that Stuart Weitzman collected and is now selling.Credit...via Sotheby’s


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On the back side of the stamp, following the practice of prior owners, Weitzman left his mark, a stiletto heel and his initials.

Weitzman, 79, said that owning the three items had fulfilled a boyhood dream of collecting that began as a rookie with stamps and coins. As an adult, he said several years ago, he focused on pursuing one-of-kind items with lasting value. Now, though, he said, it was time to plan ahead.

“No one takes a U-Haul to the cemetery,” he said. “We have to figure out what to do with all this stuff.”

“The reason I’m doing the selling is my children don’t want to inherit these items,” added Weitzman, whose former company has been owned by the luxury fashion house Coach since 2015.

“They say, ‘It’s great to do with them what you did, but we don’t want to have to worry about them, fuss with them, protect them, figure out what to do with them.’”

The money from selling the three items — as much as $US37 million, based on Sotheby’s presale estimates - will go to charitable ventures, including The Weitzman Family Foundation.

Richard Austin, the head of books and manuscripts at Sotheby’s, said it was “very difficult not to use hyperbole” in describing any one of the three. “For one person to accumulate all these treasures is unusual,” he said. “It’s a childhood collecting fantasy that he was able to make come true. I don’t even know if Stuart appreciates how unusual this is.”

Robert G. Rose, the chairman of the nonprofit Philatelic Foundation, which authenticates stamps, was similarly impressed. “You’re talking about two of the most iconic pieces in all of Stamp World, all of philately,” he said. “And of course there’s the coin. It’s one of a kind as well.”

Sotheby’s expects to sell the Inverted Jenny plate block for $US5 million to $US7 million and the double eagle for $US10 million to $US15 million.

Weitzman’s identity as the owner of the double eagle is being revealed here for the first time.

Sotheby’s never revealed the buyer after the 2002 sale, and even internally some Sotheby’s employees referred to the purchaser as simply as “Mr. Big.” There was speculation that the owner was Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

The coin was on display at the New-York Historical Society from 2013 until last month, but the museum merely labeled it “Property of a Private Collector.”


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The 1933 Double Eagle Coin that is to be sold at Sotheby’s in June. Weitzman paid more than $US7 million for it in 2002.

The double eagle is unique: No other double eagles can be privately owned. The 445,500 that were made were supposed to be melted down. But 20, including Weitzman’s, were stolen from the mint. Some ended up in the hands of a Philadelphia jeweler and coin dealer who sold nine of them in the 1940s.

In 2004, when his daughter discovered 10 others in his safe deposit box, the government challenged her claim of ownership, and won. The 10 were taken to Fort Knox, leaving Weitzman’s double eagle the only one from 1933 that can legally be sold.

The One-Cent Magenta is also unique — apparently the others printed with it were discarded — and is considered by some collectors to be the “Mona Lisa” of stamps. In the 1920s it was owned by a textile entrepreneur who was said to have outbid King George V when he bought it for $32,250.

Weitzman purchased it from the estate of a later owner, John E. du Pont, an heir to the du Pont chemical fortune who had acquired it in 1980, before he went to prison for the murder of the Olympic wrestler and coach Dave Schultz. The killing served as the basis for the 2014 film “Foxcatcher.”

Like the One-Cent Magenta’s past owners, Weitzman left his mark, a stiletto heel, on the back of the tiny stamp. Among stamp collectors, it is not unusual for the owners of great rarities to put their initials or a symbol on backs of the stamps. Purists cringe, but many philatelists say that doing so — carefully, and tinily — does not damage a stamp or detract from its value.
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For a week, beginning Thursday, the “One-Cent Magenta,” shown here, the plate block of “Inverted Jennies” and the double eagle coin can be viewed by app
ointment at Sotheby’s.

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As for the Inverted Jennies, there is only one plate block, the corner of the original sheet with the number identifying the plate used on each page of stamps at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving.

The sheet of 100 was broken up by Col. Edward H.R. Green, a fanatical collector whose mother was the stingy financier known as the “Witch of Wall Street.” The other 96 stamps on the sheet have been sold one by one, but the four adjacent to the plate number have remained intact.

Green was the third owner of the sheet. For the first owner — William T. Robey, the stockbroker’s clerk — it was the lucky find of a lifetime. He paid $24, the face value of the 100 stamps, when he went to a Washington post office on the day they went on sale.

He knew what he had as soon as the postal clerk handed him the sheet. He rushed out of the post office and eluded postal inspectors who came looking for him, trying to get back a red-and-blue misprint that, to their bosses, was an embarrassment.

Apparently a printing plate had been flipped in the two-color printing process. The image of the plane, the Curtiss JN-51, nicknamed Jenny and set to carry the first loads of mail by air, came out upside down. Any other sheets printed that way were caught and destroyed at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving. But Robey’s sheet slipped by inspectors, and out into the world.

Robey soon turned a profit of $14,976, selling the sheet of 100 stamps for $15,000, enough to buy a new car, which he is said to have driven through the wall of the garage that came with his new house.

The dealer who purchased them promptly turned a profit of $5,000 by marking up the price $20,000 for Green. The plate block has changed hands several times since then, most recently when Weitzman acquired it in 2014.


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Stuart A. Weitzman in his Madison Avenue showroom in 2015.

For years, Weitzman kept quiet about his collecting, not wanting the publicity. In 2012, 10 years after he had bought the double eagle, it was the centerpiece of a display at the Federal Reserve in Lower Manhattan.

David Tripp, the special consultant to Sotheby’s on coins, did not know who owned the coin when, at the opening of the exhibit, he was approached by David N. Redden, the Sotheby’s executive who had handled the auction in 2002. Redden had two people in tow.

“David said, ‘I’ve got a friend here with his daughter. His name is Stuart. Tell him about the coin,’” Tripp recalled.

Tripp, unsuspecting, went on to describe the particulars of the coin to the man who owned it.

“Years later,” Tripp said, “when David told me Stuart Weitzman was the owner, Stuart Weitzman the great designer of shoes, I clicked on Google and said, ‘I’ve met that guy before.’”

Correction: March 10, 2021

An earlier version of this article incorrectly said that Weitzman sold his company to Coach in 2015. Though Weitzman remained affiliated with the company he founded, he had sold it prior to the Coach sale.

The article also incorrectly referred to the quartet of stamps as the only block of four “Inverted Jennies.” There are other blocks of four, but only one – the Weitzman block -- that bears the original plate number,

James Barron is a Metro reporter and columnist. He is the author of the books “Piano: The Making of a Steinway Concert Grand” and “The One-Cent Magenta” and the editor of “The New York Times Book of New York.”

A version of this article appears in print on March 11, 2021, Section C, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: A Collector Decides It’s Time To Part With His Treasures.[/i]
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BrianBURU wrote: 12 Mar 2021 09:51 According to The New York Times, Stuart Weitzman is about to sell this stamp, along with a couple of other rarities he owns. He must have fallen on hard times. Wonder if his infamous "owners mark" will depreciate it?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/arts/design/stuart-weitzman-stamps-coin-auction.html
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Re the double eagle coin:

If 20 were stolen, 9 including this one were sold in the 1940s, and 10 were claimed by the govt in 2004; why is this the only one that can be legally sold?

Logic would presume that this one can also be claimed by the govt. Presumably the other 8 known to be sold in the 1940s, even supposing they are in institutional collections could also be claimed should the govt choose.

The one which appears to have fallen off the radar between the 1940s and 2004 also could be claimed when and if it re-surfaces.

So why is title to this one protected? If I had a couple of million spare change I'd want to know before I laid my money down.
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satsuma wrote: 12 Mar 2021 11:25 Re the double eagle coin:

If 20 were stolen, 9 including this one were sold in the 1940s, and 10 were claimed by the govt in 2004; why is this the only one that can be legally sold?

Logic would presume that this one can also be claimed by the govt. Presumably the other 8 known to be sold in the 1940s, even supposing they are in institutional collections could also be claimed should the govt choose.

The one which appears to have fallen off the radar between the 1940s and 2004 also could be claimed when and if it re-surfaces.

So why is title to this one protected? If I had a couple of million spare change I'd want to know before I laid my money down.

The US Feds have chased down all the others vigorously and even in recent times had 10 of them turned over despite all kinds of court appeals and processes that went as recent as 2016.

The original missing $20 "Saint Gaudens" double eagle was acquired by King Farouk of Egypt, who was a voracious collector of many things, including imperial Fabergé eggs, antique aspirin bottles, paperweights, postage stamps - and coins, of which he had a collection of over 8,500.

In 1944 Farouk purchased a 1933 double eagle, and in strict adherence with the law, his ministers applied to the United States Treasury Department for an export license for the coin. Mistakenly, just days before the mint theft was discovered, the license was granted.

The US Treasury Department attempted to work through diplomatic channels to request the return of the coin from Egypt, but World War II delayed their efforts for several years. In 1952, King Farouk was deposed in a coup d'etat, and many of his possessions were made available for public auction (run by Sotheby's) – including the double eagle coin.

The United States government requested the return of the coin, and the Egyptian government stated that it would comply with the request. However, the coin disappeared and was not seen again in Egypt.

In 1996, a double eagle surfaced again after over 40 years of obscurity, when British coin dealer Stephen Fenton was arrested by U.S. Secret Service agents during a sting operation at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York.

Although he initially told investigators he bought the coin over the counter at his shop, Fenton later changed his story.

Under sworn testimony, he insisted the double eagle had come from the collection of King Farouk, though this could not be verified. Charges against Fenton were subsequently dropped, and he defended his ownership of the coin in court.

The case was settled in 2001 when it was agreed that ownership of the double eagle would revert to the United States government, and the coin could then legally be sold at auction. The United States Treasury issued a document to "issue and monetize" the coin, thereby making it a legal-tender gold coin in the United States.

When the coin was seized, it was transferred to a holding place believed to be safe: the treasury vaults of the World Trade Center. When the court settlement was reached in July 2001, only two months before the World Trade Center was destroyed, the coin was transferred to Fort Knox for safekeeping.

On July 30, 2002, the 1933 double eagle was sold to an anonymous bidder at a Sotheby's auction held in New York for $6.6 million, plus a 15-percent buyer's premium, and an additional $20 needed to "monetize" the face value of the coin so it would become legal currency.

This brought the final sale price to $7,590,020.00, almost twice the previous record for a coin. Half the bid price was to be delivered to the United States Treasury, plus the $20 to monetize the coin, while Stephen Fenton was entitled to the other half.

The auction took less than nine minutes.




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Thanks Glen

A most interesting piece of numismatic history.
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Yes a complicated story re the $20 coin. :)

When non-Americans read things like -

The money from selling the three items — as much as $US37 million, based on Sotheby’s presale estimates - will go to charitable ventures, including The Weitzman Family Foundation.

It sounds SUPER generous. As I understand it, the Weitzman(s) can claim the price they sold for at auction as a straight Charitable Tax Deduction?

Others may know more detail, but that how the US donation regime seems to work. In some cases I have read one can buy a painting by a trendy Avant-garde artist - a diagonal red line painted on a piece of white canvas etc, for say $15,000, and later have an art appraiser declare it to really be worth $100,000 in the current hot market, and then donate that piece to the Guggenheim Museum etc.

You do not need an MBA to work out what a $100,000 tax deduction really means to someone on a very high tax bracket. Especially if your cost price was only $15,000! If you have visited the Guggenheim in NYC there are LOTS of "art" such as a white canvas square with a red line, or 6 coconuts or 6 used running shoes glued to a piece of plywood, or 10 hubcaps or axles welded together, and masses of other such "artistic achievements", all with little plaques underneath stating things like - "Generously donated by Mr. Saul Weinberg, 2016" etc.

All countries have some plans to award benevolence re donations, and to be applauded (generally) but from my personal observation the American system seems incredibly generous compares to others I am aware of.

I just sold a nice collection of Monaco stamps, catalogued in Gibbons for about $15,000 to a collector here for $1,500. I assume in the USA you could donate that to a local Museum etc and get a $15,000 tax deduction or thereabouts, if you have a written dealer valuation, and the Museum accepted it?

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Re: FULL history of the unique 1856 1c British Guiana stamp

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This is the reverse of the 1933 coin for sale.

Anyone know why this series is call the DOUBLE eagle -- surely there is only one bird here?




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